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QB position up for competition next year?

Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
there should definitely be competition. it makes everyone better. we should have a more veteran option at backup anyway. CK and Tolzien might have promise but we have clearly opened the Super Bowl window and I'm not sure we can rely on either of those guys yet if we need to. If we can bring in a veteran QB somehow who is a viable starting option and let Alex, New QB, CK, and Tolzien battle it out for 3 spots, this team will be better for it.

...that is, assuming we also sign our key free agents, have a good draft, and solve the WR issue one way or the other.

I fully agree on the desirability of having a vet backup instead of CK/Tolzien. I just don't see who it would be.

that's the million dollar question, isn't it? I think JJ is one of the few guys who would be available and would be a potentially viable option at starter. if there is going to be a competition, it should be a legit one. not some washed up has been or a nobody or a Rex Grossman.

Even he has had very little pro experience. Dilemma. Johnson has thrown a total of 177 passes in 4 years at TB.

yeah, no perfect scenario.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Let us just face it. Kaep has all the tools to be a better QB than Alex. It will be up to Kaep to apply those tools the way JH wants. If he does, then he may start sooner than we think.

Let us also realize Alex is limited compared to Kaep as was Shaun Hill compared to Alex.
I agree, and I see no reason Harbaugh couldn't create an offense for a rookie that fundamentally avoids turnovers like he did with Alex. Being realistic here, Alex himself was very "rookie-like" as far as development and coaching goes, this was his first season with a coach who actually understands what it takes to be a quarterback. I don't see why Kaep couldn't have a year like Dalton had or even better(with our defense of course lowering pressure).

Kaepernick has a luxury many players with his raw talents don't get the chance to have- sitting on the bench and learning. He did it for a season, we'll see how much he has improved from the very very raw guy we saw last preseason. I do think it'll be a tremendous improvement and the start CK bandwagon will catch fire.
[ Edited by mike on Jan 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM ]
I have no issue bringing JJ in to compete, but I don't see why he would start over Kaepernick. Kaep is: more athletic (as athletic as JJ is, Kaep's combine numbers are better), has a stronger arm, and has a year of familiarity with the system.
If Kaep is ready I'm ok with giving him a shot. I think he is inaccurate as hell and doesn't know what's happening on the field when he reads it. But his arm is strong and he isn't afraid to chuck it in there for a 1st down. I'd like to see a damn 1st down once in a while on 3rd and 7. Every other NFL team does it. I don't see why we can't.
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!

Manning is not in a position to get $20 million plus. Nobody knows if his neck will hold up. He's injured, still recovering and older. He will get less than he is used to somewhere.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by sixbricks:
If we land Peyton Manning, no QB competition needed..

we'll need a competition to see who replaces him after he retires in August after getting paralyzed the first time he takes a blindside hit.

If there was any chance that anything like that would happen he never be cleared to play again by doctors and i wouldn't matter cause we would never sign him ... If this guy plays again he's gonna be good to go. if their is a major problem he's not gonna play again ... any team that puts up the $ for Manning is gonna have every medical expert they can fit on a plane looking at this guy before any deal is made.
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!

its moot because the guy is done, even if he won't admit it yet.

i would much rather spread that money around and keep a great young defense together for years and have the chance to win multiple championships than put all our chips on a gun-for-hire and hope for a single trophy. It didn't work for the Vikings, and it won't work for us--and Favre wasn't even a hit away from retirement.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!

its moot because the guy is done, even if he won't admit it yet.

i would much rather spread that money around and keep a great young defense together for years and have the chance to win multiple championships than put all our chips on a gun-for-hire and hope for a single trophy. It didn't work for the Vikings, and it won't work for us--and Favre wasn't even a hit away from retirement.

Farve in his prime can't even hold Manning's Jock strap.. not a legit comparison, Farve was older when he became availible and he was in decline... Manning was in his prime before he had this surgery... and what if he is good to go and the Jets pick him up he plays 4 to 5 more years and they win 2 or 3 Rings with him ... and we come up short with are good young defense and an offense that can't hang in a shoot out. I'll take my chances with Manning
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!

its moot because the guy is done, even if he won't admit it yet.

i would much rather spread that money around and keep a great young defense together for years and have the chance to win multiple championships than put all our chips on a gun-for-hire and hope for a single trophy. It didn't work for the Vikings, and it won't work for us--and Favre wasn't even a hit away from retirement.
Yeah I'd be afraid to get him considering our offensive line, even with the improvements to the line Alex still got sacked 44 times. Compare that to manning who has had 8 seasons of less than 20 sacks. His neck would not last long here.

Now, if his salaries are based on health(huge bonuses for playing entire season, making playoffs, ect), then sure lets go for it. But there will be teams willing to take the risk and give him a load of guaranteed cash.
[ Edited by mike on Jan 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM ]
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!

its moot because the guy is done, even if he won't admit it yet.

i would much rather spread that money around and keep a great young defense together for years and have the chance to win multiple championships than put all our chips on a gun-for-hire and hope for a single trophy. It didn't work for the Vikings, and it won't work for us--and Favre wasn't even a hit away from retirement.

Farve in his prime can't even hold Manning's Jock strap.. not a legit comparison, Farve was older when he became availible and he was in decline... Manning was in his prime before he had this surgery... and what if he is good to go and the Jets pick him up he plays 4 to 5 more years and they win 2 or 3 Rings with him ... and we come up short with are good young defense and an offense that can't hang in a shoot out. I'll take my chances with Manning

Manning is 36 years old and just had 3 major neck surgeries. Even if he was in his prime before the injuries, he's clearly not in his prime anymore.

one difference between the Favre that left Green Bay and Peyton Manning today is that Favre had 3 more years in him and Manning doesn't.
Originally posted by mike:
I agree, and I see no reason Harbaugh couldn't create an offense for a rookie that fundamentally avoids turnovers like he did with Alex. Being realistic here, Alex himself was very "rookie-like" as far as development and coaching goes, this was his first season with a coach who actually understands what it takes to be a quarterback. I don't see why Kaep couldn't have a year like Dalton had or even better(with our defense of course lowering pressure).

Kaepernick has a luxury many players with his raw talents don't get the chance to have- sitting on the bench and learning. He did it for a season, we'll see how much he has improved from the very very raw guy we saw last preseason. I do think it'll be a tremendous improvement and the start CK bandwagon will catch fire.
Well it took Rogers and Rivers a few years. Kaep can do it. In Rogers case they changed his throwing motion to his high school one. In Rivers case he still throws like his cousin Mickey on the Yankees. Go Kaep, and go Alex (out the door in this case; where is Rocky Bernard when you need him? Oh yea,now on the giants, playing in the superbowl).
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!

its moot because the guy is done, even if he won't admit it yet.

i would much rather spread that money around and keep a great young defense together for years and have the chance to win multiple championships than put all our chips on a gun-for-hire and hope for a single trophy. It didn't work for the Vikings, and it won't work for us--and Favre wasn't even a hit away from retirement.

Farve in his prime can't even hold Manning's Jock strap.. not a legit comparison, Farve was older when he became availible and he was in decline... Manning was in his prime before he had this surgery... and what if he is good to go and the Jets pick him up he plays 4 to 5 more years and they win 2 or 3 Rings with him ... and we come up short with are good young defense and an offense that can't hang in a shoot out. I'll take my chances with Manning

Manning is 36 years old and just had 3 major neck surgeries. Even if he was in his prime before the injuries, he's clearly not in his prime anymore.

one difference between the Favre that left Green Bay and Peyton Manning today is that Favre had 3 more years in him and Manning doesn't.
Is Alex smith or Kaep gonna lead a Dynasty? Granted Manning won't be around long enough either but it could be a good start and great bridge to another QB maybe even Kaep
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by iceberg450r:
Originally posted by hofer36:
i suspect Peyton Manning will want alot more money than Alex Smith to play qb for the team...
would those of you pushing for him to be signed by the 49ers be willing to give up Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson to get him?
Yes and Yes... It's Peyton F#$%ing Manning ! Rodgers was owned by Victor Cruz in that game. I'll miss Goldson but Superbowl win #6 will make that feeling go away quickly!

its moot because the guy is done, even if he won't admit it yet.

i would much rather spread that money around and keep a great young defense together for years and have the chance to win multiple championships than put all our chips on a gun-for-hire and hope for a single trophy. It didn't work for the Vikings, and it won't work for us--and Favre wasn't even a hit away from retirement.

Farve in his prime can't even hold Manning's Jock strap.. not a legit comparison, Farve was older when he became availible and he was in decline... Manning was in his prime before he had this surgery... and what if he is good to go and the Jets pick him up he plays 4 to 5 more years and they win 2 or 3 Rings with him ... and we come up short with are good young defense and an offense that can't hang in a shoot out. I'll take my chances with Manning

Manning is 36 years old and just had 3 major neck surgeries. Even if he was in his prime before the injuries, he's clearly not in his prime anymore.

one difference between the Favre that left Green Bay and Peyton Manning today is that Favre had 3 more years in him and Manning doesn't.
Is Alex smith or Kaep gonna lead a Dynasty? Granted Manning won't be around long enough either but it could be a good start and great bridge to another QB maybe even Kaep

Manning is done. Even if he wasn't, nothing about what Baalke or Harbaugh have done with the construction of this team would hint at any interest in bringing in a player like Manning.