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49ers' WRs

Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I've changed my mind (again). I really dont think WR is an issue when all our guys are healthy. Obviously, having an elite WR would help, but paying for one in FA would do more damage to the overall team than good.

Morgan: looked like our best WR pre injury. His Yac ability is second to none.

Crabtree: He had nearly 900 yards and was injured in the beginning of the season causing him to miss games and be limited in others. He definitly flopped in the Saints game, but he didn't he didn't even get a chance in the Giants.

Ginn: He has the speed to be a deep threat, but when was the last time we used him that way? I put that on coaching more than anything.

KW: Say what you will, but KW is a legit wr. He got behind the Giants secondary and should of had a TD, he is also very electric after the catch, not to mention he has great hands. I just dont think he should ever field a punt or kick return for the rest of his life....

Davis & Walker: In our run heavy formations these guys are as good as a WR and are very, very dangerous. Most of the time we are in a 2 WR set anyway.

The only thing I really think we need is depth not named Swain or Jones. It would be nice to pick up a productive Edwards type. But, unless the addition we bring in is obviously elite talent, I think it would be very difficult to pass up Morgan and Crabtree on the depth chart.

You're basically overrating Morgan if you believe that.

Maybe, I dont have a large body of work to draw from as he got injured this year. But, in the 5 games Morgan played he actually looked like he was ready breakout and clearly was the most dominant.
Originally posted by andes14:
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think we need a COMPLETE overhaul of our WR corps. Between drafting a receiver high (probably 1st round), Morgan coming back, and the whole offense being in year 2 of Harbaugh's system, I think we should be just fine. We do NOT need to overpay to bring in a FA or add TONS of receivers like everyone has been saying, Crabtree/1st rounder/Morgan/K. Williams/Ginn would get the job done IMO.
i agree we don't need to bring a big name FA. maybe somebody like GARCON for a 2nd or 3rd option. we would have crabtree, morgan, garcon/ FA, williams, or even maybe late draft pick..... i would much rather see the niners go after nicks of the saints, and make our Oline beast status!
Swain, Hastings, Matthews? ??? Niners wr corp needs to get bigger, faster and blacker fast. Morgan will be a top notch #2, Crabtree will be great out of the slot. Maybe the niners will be able to put more then 2 wrs on the field at a time. They need a #1. Not a good one just a real number one. Can even be past his prime or overrated. Hopefully Ginn comes back as a #4 and KR. I hope Williams blows his acl in training camp and gets released. Bum ass fake wanna be hero choker.
With the style of running attack we need guys that can force the safeties out of the box...this means speed. I know we use west coas principles and terminology, but the game is still about matchups and basic concepts. We simply cannot allow a defense to put 8 plus people in the box. There will have to be some in-play adjustments that the WR is allowed to make based on the defense, but still our WR have to be able to get on top of the safeties and corners. This has been what killed us all year-no one respected our deep passing game becuase our WR's sucked.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by sfout

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I don't think we need a dominate #1 WR. But we do need a good to very good receiving core. The Giants has this. None of them are dominate but together Nicks, Cruz, Maningham very good core.

I beg to differ. Nicks is a monster, Cruz was able to break out because of Nicks' skill.

Seems like they are both pretty good. With Cruz having enough talent on his own right.

Cruz has 1500yds
Nicks 1100yds
Manningham 500 (12 games)
Dude, you can't have it all unless you get lucky in the draft. We might not have Cruz, but they dont have Davis. It's my opinion that if Eli was throwing him the ball, Crabtree would be just as or more productive than Nicks. Crabs had 900 yards and we barely even used him for the first 5 games of the season. In addition, Morgan and Edwards weren't even there to keep defenses honest. There is nothing wrong with our WRs, we just got hit with injuries and our QB needs to let them make plays, much like Troy Smith did before we realized he sucked because he has no accurancy, arm and can't read defenses.

We need better receivers. Harbaugh knew it. And so does Baalke. They may not say it due to the respect given to the current receivers on the roster, but their action speaks louder. They tried to infused more talent with Edwards. It didn't work out. The fact that Morgan got injured this year should indicate to everyone that we are short on receiver talent because there was no one guy that could fill his absent adequately. Edwards, Ginn, Williams didn't come close to being a second receiver help. Just like Crabtree didn't come close to being the usual #1 receiver compare to other teams in the NFL.

If you don't think we need better receivers you are wrong. You can wait for the current guys to turn it around and be respectable to good as a core or you can go out and get more talent. I don't see any reason why we can't do both.
eOriginally posted by qnnhan7:
We need better receivers. Harbaugh knew it. And so does Baalke. They may not say it due to the respect given to the current receivers on the roster, but their action speaks louder. They tried to infused more talent with Edwards. It didn't work out. The fact that Morgan got injured this year should indicate to everyone that we are short on receiver talent because there was no one guy that could fill his absent adequately. Edwards, Ginn, Williams didn't come close to being a second receiver help. Just like Crabtree didn't come close to being the usual #1 receiver compare to other teams in the NFL.

If you don't think we need better receivers you are wrong. You can wait for the current guys to turn it around and be respectable to good as a core or you can go out and get more talent. I don't see any reason why we can't do both.

Then why did they cut Edwards and elevate a bunch of Psquad clowns?
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
eOriginally posted by qnnhan7:
We need better receivers. Harbaugh knew it. And so does Baalke. They may not say it due to the respect given to the current receivers on the roster, but their action speaks louder. They tried to infused more talent with Edwards. It didn't work out. The fact that Morgan got injured this year should indicate to everyone that we are short on receiver talent because there was no one guy that could fill his absent adequately. Edwards, Ginn, Williams didn't come close to being a second receiver help. Just like Crabtree didn't come close to being the usual #1 receiver compare to other teams in the NFL.

If you don't think we need better receivers you are wrong. You can wait for the current guys to turn it around and be respectable to good as a core or you can go out and get more talent. I don't see any reason why we can't do both.

Then why did they cut Edwards and elevate a bunch of Psquad clowns?

How can you ask that question... If you followed the team which I'm sure you do, you should know the answer to your own question, even rhetorical as it may be.

Edwards was partly injured and partly half-assing when he was on the field. So why even keep him when they can bring up someone not injured, young and hungry, and should somewhat familiar with the offense.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Feb 1, 2012 at 9:28 PM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
eOriginally posted by qnnhan7:
We need better receivers. Harbaugh knew it. And so does Baalke. They may not say it due to the respect given to the current receivers on the roster, but their action speaks louder. They tried to infused more talent with Edwards. It didn't work out. The fact that Morgan got injured this year should indicate to everyone that we are short on receiver talent because there was no one guy that could fill his absent adequately. Edwards, Ginn, Williams didn't come close to being a second receiver help. Just like Crabtree didn't come close to being the usual #1 receiver compare to other teams in the NFL.

If you don't think we need better receivers you are wrong. You can wait for the current guys to turn it around and be respectable to good as a core or you can go out and get more talent. I don't see any reason why we can't do both.

Then why did they cut Edwards and elevate a bunch of Psquad clowns?

How can you ask that question... If you followed the team which I'm sure you do, you should know the answer to your own question, even rhetorical as it may be.

I guess I was a little suprised that when Edwards was cut and we were gettin close the playoffs that Harbaugh and crew didn't even attempt to bring in a vet FA. I can only assume that the WR they had showed at least a reasonable level of competancy, otherwise they would have picked someon up. With that said, I agree that we could use another quality WR. But, i dont agree that its the primary reason for Alex Smiths inability (at times) to move the ball down the field.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
eOriginally posted by qnnhan7:
We need better receivers. Harbaugh knew it. And so does Baalke. They may not say it due to the respect given to the current receivers on the roster, but their action speaks louder. They tried to infused more talent with Edwards. It didn't work out. The fact that Morgan got injured this year should indicate to everyone that we are short on receiver talent because there was no one guy that could fill his absent adequately. Edwards, Ginn, Williams didn't come close to being a second receiver help. Just like Crabtree didn't come close to being the usual #1 receiver compare to other teams in the NFL.

If you don't think we need better receivers you are wrong. You can wait for the current guys to turn it around and be respectable to good as a core or you can go out and get more talent. I don't see any reason why we can't do both.

Then why did they cut Edwards and elevate a bunch of Psquad clowns?

How can you ask that question... If you followed the team which I'm sure you do, you should know the answer to your own question, even rhetorical as it may be.

I guess I was a little suprised that when Edwards was cut and we were gettin close the playoffs that Harbaugh and crew didn't even attempt to bring in a vet FA. I can only assume that the WR they had showed at least a reasonable level of competancy, otherwise they would have picked someon up. With that said, I agree that we could use another quality WR. But, i dont agree that its the primary reason for Alex Smiths inability (at times) to move the ball down the field.

Maybe not, but have better receiver play certainly help out the offense as a whole. They will help Smith, Gore, and VD to be better. And give Roman reasons to open up the play calling and more aggressive in the passing game.

Had Ginn not been injured right before the playoffs, I think we would have been OK, because we were getting by with the combo of Crabtree, Ginn, and Williams for most of the year. Once Ginn went out, that sort of broke the back.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Feb 1, 2012 at 9:47 PM ]
Originally posted by wolfpack52:
Swain, Hastings, Matthews? ??? Niners wr corp needs to get bigger, faster and blacker fast. Morgan will be a top notch #2, Crabtree will be great out of the slot. Maybe the niners will be able to put more then 2 wrs on the field at a time. They need a #1. Not a good one just a real number one. Can even be past his prime or overrated. Hopefully Ginn comes back as a #4 and KR. I hope Williams blows his acl in training camp and gets released. Bum ass fake wanna be hero choker.

True THAT!
Just thinking...if plaxico wouldve signed the deal with us instead of listening to rex ryan and leaving us in the last second....would we have been in the superbowl????
We need a tall WR......one that will go over the middle. Basically what we gave away in injured Braylon Edwards

There are a few studs on the market but I think out of our budger range



Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say heÕs Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.



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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
We need better receivers. Harbaugh knew it. And so does Baalke. They may not say it due to the respect given to the current receivers on the roster, but their action speaks louder. They tried to infused more talent with Edwards. It didn't work out. The fact that Morgan got injured this year should indicate to everyone that we are short on receiver talent because there was no one guy that could fill his absent adequately. Edwards, Ginn, Williams didn't come close to being a second receiver help. Just like Crabtree didn't come close to being the usual #1 receiver compare to other teams in the NFL.

If you don't think we need better receivers you are wrong. You can wait for the current guys to turn it around and be respectable to good as a core or you can go out and get more talent. I don't see any reason why we can't do both.

What did Harbaugh know? You are talking about acquiring Edwards due to our WR production from 2010 no different than us trying to get Matt H. Due to our QB production from 2010. 2011 rolled around and Crabtree showed hat he can be a 1000 yard receiver and Morgan showed some VERY good things including his deceptive speed that coaches have been talking about since he got to this team. Now mix in Kyle Williams ability at receiver and quite possibly Vernon becoming a 1000 yard TE next year and our WR spots dont look too bad.

Basing our coaches desire to upgrade WR at the beginning of the season is no different than their desire to upgrade QB at that time. It was all based on 2010.

Personally, i wouldnt mind us getting a Center, OG or another very talented TE in the first.
Bringing this back to life as the draft draws near! Not sure how many WRs or TEs they will keep next year but after Morgan and Edwards being lost they may re-evaluate numbers. I would like to see five WRs and four TEs. They could use a TE as a back-up at FB.

WRs
Morgan--Smith has a high QBR when targeting this guy so he may be a very important receiver next year.
Crabtree--Progressed but faded at the end of the year (playoffs ). If he can stay healthy and spend time with Smith he will be a key to a more successful season.
Williams--He will fight for a roster position and may win due to intelligence and experience.
Ginn--Would hate to lose his STs play and he makes a so-so fifth receiver...speed.
FA/Rookie--Would like to see a true talent here but Baalke won't be likely to overuse cap space...will rely on Harbaugh coaching.
FA/Rookie--Need camp depth and injury insurance so would like to see a good third or fourth round guy here.

TEs
VD--History of being in sync with Smith and is a beast of a matchup.
Walker--Learned the system so well that he lined up all over the field and he is good when healthy.
Byham--Thought last year would be a break out year, perhaps this year?
FA/Rookie--Would not be surprised to see Fleener or another tall TE taken for Red Zone help.