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What a difference a season makes: The QB Position suddenly looks bright.

Originally posted by boqi:
I've watched Luck practice at Stanford before a game as well as Alex Smith w/ the 49ers before a game and I can say that Andrew Luck is WAY more talented than Alex Smith. In practice, Alex Smith was throwing behind, too high, all over the place. Andrew Luck on the other hand was solid. His throws were right between the receivers' numbers every single time. I was impressed seeing it in person. Luck is also a bigger body and though he's "unproven" I think he's miles ahead of Alex Smith.

In response to Post #2, I would absolutely trade Luck for Patrick Willis, because the QB is THE most important position in the game and makes or breaks a franchise! Just look at the Colts.

All signs point to Luck being successful in the NFL, and with good coaching and especially HARBAUGH, it'd require a massive turn of events for Luck to ever, well...suck.

oh wow you saw them both in practice??? amazing!

cuz i saw alex play 12 regular season games so far and lead us to 10 wins with a qb rating of 95 with 15 tds and only 5 picks while competing for a #2 seed...
Originally posted by ninerfan29:
I already stated my opinion about the guy and I feel its(his name) is not justified whether this forum holds more then US citizens or not. Not all Europeans believe in Socialism or Communism or other. Some would say that because of Socialism and the creation of the Euro, Europe has only gone down hill while China becoming more capitalist in how it handles its economy has become more powerful then even the US who is also under a socialistic regime with Barack Obama. But as you can see his name can bring out Non Football topics and this Forum is for Football not for politics or economics so I will stop here and I will not speak of it no more. Sorry if I just added more kinley to the fire.

I will state that we should not trade Willis for Luck. I think Luck will be a good QB but he is not worth such a trade and I don't think he will work out on the 49ers team. I do understand that he was coached by Jim and because of such chemistry good things could happen. But I feel with our 2 rookie QB's we already have and with a Solid QB in Alex Smith who is getting better every week. It would be in our better interest to improve other parts of our team that are in higher need. Like getting some improvements in our Secondary, OLine, WR's and what ever else that is weak on our team. Also I like Hunter but i'm unsure if he would make a good replacement for Gore so we might want to think about that as well.

Your first paragraph belongs in the Parking Lot. That is where the political and other arguments go.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by ninerfan29:
I already stated my opinion about the guy and I feel its(his name) is not justified whether this forum holds more then US citizens or not. Not all Europeans believe in Socialism or Communism or other. Some would say that because of Socialism and the creation of the Euro, Europe has only gone down hill while China becoming more capitalist in how it handles its economy has become more powerful then even the US who is also under a socialistic regime with Barack Obama. But as you can see his name can bring out Non Football topics and this Forum is for Football not for politics or economics so I will stop here and I will not speak of it no more. Sorry if I just added more kinley to the fire.

I will state that we should not trade Willis for Luck. I think Luck will be a good QB but he is not worth such a trade and I don't think he will work out on the 49ers team. I do understand that he was coached by Jim and because of such chemistry good things could happen. But I feel with our 2 rookie QB's we already have and with a Solid QB in Alex Smith who is getting better every week. It would be in our better interest to improve other parts of our team that are in higher need. Like getting some improvements in our Secondary, OLine, WR's and what ever else that is weak on our team. Also I like Hunter but i'm unsure if he would make a good replacement for Gore so we might want to think about that as well.

Your first paragraph belongs in the Parking Lot. That is where the political and other arguments go.

Indeed it does hence my point on the name :P
Originally posted by ninerfan29:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by ninerfan29:
I already stated my opinion about the guy and I feel its(his name) is not justified whether this forum holds more then US citizens or not. Not all Europeans believe in Socialism or Communism or other. Some would say that because of Socialism and the creation of the Euro, Europe has only gone down hill while China becoming more capitalist in how it handles its economy has become more powerful then even the US who is also under a socialistic regime with Barack Obama. But as you can see his name can bring out Non Football topics and this Forum is for Football not for politics or economics so I will stop here and I will not speak of it no more. Sorry if I just added more kinley to the fire.

I will state that we should not trade Willis for Luck. I think Luck will be a good QB but he is not worth such a trade and I don't think he will work out on the 49ers team. I do understand that he was coached by Jim and because of such chemistry good things could happen. But I feel with our 2 rookie QB's we already have and with a Solid QB in Alex Smith who is getting better every week. It would be in our better interest to improve other parts of our team that are in higher need. Like getting some improvements in our Secondary, OLine, WR's and what ever else that is weak on our team. Also I like Hunter but i'm unsure if he would make a good replacement for Gore so we might want to think about that as well.

Your first paragraph belongs in the Parking Lot. That is where the political and other arguments go.

Indeed it does hence my point on the name :P

He has the right to select his own username, as long as it does not break the rules. I have said this before. End of discussion.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by Huego:
Originally posted by verb1der:
And people were willing to trade Patrick Willis for Andrew Luck.


I'd still do that

This.

Future HoFer for untried and untested rook who is not apparently as well thought of now as he was at the start of the season?

No.

Patrick Willis is god around here. If he was around 7-8 years ago and somebody suggested we trade him for Brady or Manning, people would be making every excuse as to why Willis is the better choice.

Luck is a ridiculous prospect at QB. I'd take my chances on him over any MLB in the league.
[ Edited by 49erRider on Dec 9, 2011 at 5:05 AM ]
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The same can be said for your understanding of the game if you seriously believe that.

Teams with a better QB situation than the 9ers

cowboys
giants
packers
bears
lions
saints
falcons
panthers
buccaners
lambs
patriots
steelers
ravens
bengals
texans
colts
raiders
chargers
.
[ Edited by English on Dec 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM ]
Originally posted by GNielsen:
There is no way they get rid of Alex Smith. He's even starting to hit those nice rainbows. If Davis catches that one in the end zone last Sunday, Alex Smith ends up with 335 yards, 3 TD's and no interceptions. What more do you want in a QB. It's the only thing that has been missing from his game and he's just starting to dial it in. Prediction: by the end of this season, no sane person will be even entertaining the idea of trading away Alex Smith to get Andrew Luck. Norv Turner said it years ago: Alex Smith can make every throw. He's like a faster, quicker Troy Aikman. He may not look tough, but think about it - he's tough as nails. He absorbs 9 sacks in a game and never so much as glares at his O-linemen. He never yells at a receiver. He never complains. He just keeps on coming. He's smart and careful. He takes care of the ball. He moves around and scrambles for first downs. He's getting a lot more accurate. He's always thrown a beautiful looking long pass and now he's beginning to tune that part of his game with this playbook. He now has the continuity and the coaching he's always needed. I'm pretty sure the Niners brass didn't expect this level of growth in Smith working with Harbaugh, but now that they've got it, there is no way they let him go.


if buts and could have , give me a break , we will see how he plays away from home !
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Originally posted by Joecool:
This.

what a difference..A competent coaching staff makes
Mod please explain why my post that responded to Ninerfan29's lies gets deleted, while his post still exists. I'm being ostracized.
Originally posted by backontop:
top 10 is average at best?

top 10 in efficiency but average or less in yards and tds screams game manager...not to knock smiths season, bc its what is working right now, but i agree with average at best....if we play the packers, were going to need more than a game manager, and its not all smith, it falls on play calling too, its been conservative
Originally posted by GNielsen:
There is no way they get rid of Alex Smith. He's even starting to hit those nice rainbows. If Davis catches that one in the end zone last Sunday, Alex Smith ends up with 335 yards, 3 TD's and no interceptions. What more do you want in a QB. It's the only thing that has been missing from his game and he's just starting to dial it in. Prediction: by the end of this season, no sane person will be even entertaining the idea of trading away Alex Smith to get Andrew Luck. Norv Turner said it years ago: Alex Smith can make every throw. He's like a faster, quicker Troy Aikman. He may not look tough, but think about it - he's tough as nails. He absorbs 9 sacks in a game and never so much as glares at his O-linemen. He never yells at a receiver. He never complains. He just keeps on coming. He's smart and careful. He takes care of the ball. He moves around and scrambles for first downs. He's getting a lot more accurate. He's always thrown a beautiful looking long pass and now he's beginning to tune that part of his game with this playbook. He now has the continuity and the coaching he's always needed. I'm pretty sure the Niners brass didn't expect this level of growth in Smith working with Harbaugh, but now that they've got it, there is no way they let him go.

Ummm. That only last for one year. Defenses will adjust. This is the NFL. If everything is not perfect Smith can't succeed on a consistent basis. They will definitely resign him and he probably will be benched halfway through the season next year. If you have to play it safe with a QB, then you really don't have a QB.

I'm going to enjoy this Maddox and Dilfer type year. 49ers are finally back in the playoffs, but they didnt draft Kaep for nothing.
I dont see the big deal with Luck. He may look like Josh Johnson. I think Barkley is better IMO. Shoot RGIII might be also. The risk is too high. It would be stupid to trade a DOMINANT LB for an unknown product.
I don think Alex is a complete lock to come back. I attribute 100% of his success to Harbaugh and with his sketch history with the team I think management will have reservations also.I feel Kap could probably do what Alex is doing. However, I do think the team will attempt to resign him for 2-4 years.

My huge concern is losing our coaches (coordinators). Our coaching staff is completely responsible for our turnaround this year.
Originally posted by endcapitalism:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The same can be said for your understanding of the game if you seriously believe that.

Teams with a better QB situation than the 9ers

cowboys
giants
packers
bears
lions
saints
falcons
panthers
buccaners
lambs
patriots
steelers
ravens
bengals
texans
colts
raiders
chargers

Absolutely hilarious.