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Aldon Smith vs Oher

Flacco had almost the same stats as Smith, now imagine if he would have been under pressure like Smith?
Originally posted by Trajik1:
Flacco had almost the same stats as Smith, now imagine if he would have been under pressure like Smith?

The problem is that the Ravens didn't blitz. They generated pressure with 4 men. Smith did the right thing: take the sacks but don't turn the ball over. We can always punt.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by Trajik1:
Flacco had almost the same stats as Smith, now imagine if he would have been under pressure like Smith?

The problem is that the Ravens didn't blitz. They generated pressure with 4 men. Smith did the right thing: take the sacks but don't turn the ball over. We can always punt.

The ravens actually blitzed all game. They also brought pressure when they only rushed 4 :(
Originally posted by Engleburger:
The ravens actually blitzed all game. They also brought pressure when they only rushed 4 :(

Lol yeah the Ravens were blitzing left and right
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Ask yourself Maddog would you trade Smith for Kerrigan or Reed? To be honest I wouldn't trade him for Miller. The reason, as Smith gets bigger he can take snaps as a down lineman like Justin Smith. Pressure from downline men is far more valuable because it's much much harder to find dlinemen than rushing tweeners. Miller is special no question but Aldon is just as special.

Miller is the superior player, and I think you would not have one GM trade Miller for Smith. Miller is a starter, and a star. RIght now, Smith is a backup with a limited game.

As for a Smith for Kerrigan (48 tackles, 6 sacks and 4 forced fumbles) or Smith for Reed (a sack in five consecutive games) trade, right now these guys are outplaying Smith. Who will be the superior player in the end? Not sure. But, I'll take JJ Watt over any of these guys, any day. Watt is top five in sacks for 3-4 DE, and has the exact same stats as Justin Smith.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on Nov 28, 2011 at 7:14 PM ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Ask yourself Maddog would you trade Smith for Kerrigan or Reed? To be honest I wouldn't trade him for Miller. The reason, as Smith gets bigger he can take snaps as a down lineman like Justin Smith. Pressure from downline men is far more valuable because it's much much harder to find dlinemen than rushing tweeners. Miller is special no question but Aldon is just as special.

Miller is the superior player, and I think you would not have one GM trade Miller for Smith. Miller is a starter, and a star. RIght now, Smith is a backup with a limited game.

As for a Smith for Kerrigan (48 tackles, 6 sacks and 4 forced fumbles) or Smith for Reed (a sack in five consecutive games) trade, right now these guys are outplaying Smith. Who will be the superior player in the end? Not sure. But, I'll take JJ Watt over any of these guys, any day. Watt is top five in sacks for 3-4 DE, and has the exact same stats as Justin Smith.

Quote from profootballweekly audibles

? "If you look at the way (49ers ILBs) Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman are playing, I don't think there are two better in the National Football League. There is no question they are the best tandem in the league.  But the guy that has been most impressive there is the rookie. If (Aldon Smith) were starting right now, he'd be leading the league in sacks, hands down. His snap-to-sack ratio is ridiculous." 

I said I wouldn't make that trade. You are getting caught up here with you ego. Smith is being developed. Lots of GMs would trade for Smith. That quote is from a person in player personell.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Quote from profootballweekly audibles

? "If you look at the way (49ers ILBs) Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman are playing, I don't think there are two better in the National Football League. There is no question they are the best tandem in the league. But the guy that has been most impressive there is the rookie. If (Aldon Smith) were starting right now, he'd be leading the league in sacks, hands down. His snap-to-sack ratio is ridiculous."

I said I wouldn't make that trade. You are getting caught up here with you ego. Smith is being developed. Lots of GMs would trade for Smith. That quote is from a person in player personell.


This is exactly the reason we need to work with his sideline game more. The other rookies put up similar numbers, but that's because they are on the field. Therefore, while Aldon is off the field we need to work on some techniques / mind-control to get him more involved while standing on the sidelines.

His snap-to-sack ratio is "ridiculous", but what about his sideline-to-sack ratio? I looked up the numbers and they are much MUCH worse than his snap-to-sack ratio. I really don't know what it is. Aldon seems to really lose focus while standing on the sidelines. His sideline production is little or null.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Nov 28, 2011 at 10:29 PM ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Miller is the superior player, and I think you would not have one GM trade Miller for Smith. Miller is a starter, and a star. RIght now, Smith is a backup with a limited game.

As for a Smith for Kerrigan (48 tackles, 6 sacks and 4 forced fumbles) or Smith for Reed (a sack in five consecutive games) trade, right now these guys are outplaying Smith. Who will be the superior player in the end? Not sure. But, I'll take JJ Watt over any of these guys, any day. Watt is top five in sacks for 3-4 DE, and has the exact same stats as Justin Smith.

Miller is a future Hall-of-Famer if he keeps it up. Aldon is a future perennial pro-bowler. But just because Miller is out-of-this world, that doesn't take much away from Aldon Smith.

JJ Watt see's three times the amount of snaps. He probably has more total snaps than Miller too.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Nov 28, 2011 at 10:32 PM ]
Gota stop with the hands on the hips that why he doesn't start.
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Gota stop with the hands on the hips that why he doesn't start.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Gota stop with the hands on the hips that why he doesn't start.


Originally posted by BrianGO:
Miller is a future Hall-of-Famer if he keeps it up. Aldon is a future perennial pro-bowler. But just because Miller is out-of-this world, that doesn't take much away from Aldon Smith.

JJ Watt see's three times the amount of snaps. He probably has more total snaps than Miller too.

Excellent post.

I wouldn't get too caught up in comparing JJ to Aldon, though. They play different positions. Raymac and JSmith are lights out, so theres really no need for Watt anyways.
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Hey maddog, why was Brooks Reed a backup to begin the year? Its not that he was an incomplete player, its that he had a starter ahead of him. I know parys haralson is no Mario Williams but he is excellent on 1st and 2nd down and is a big part of our teams success against the run. If he were not available Aldon would get the chance the others are and there's no reason to think he would not perform well. Other than the blown coverages in preseason vs the Texans, do you have examples of him not playing well? I ask because he has excelled in everything he's been asked to do and imo there's no reason to assume he'll play poorly with a larger role.

How much game film have you seen of all these players btw?
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Ask yourself Maddog would you trade Smith for Kerrigan or Reed? To be honest I wouldn't trade him for Miller. The reason, as Smith gets bigger he can take snaps as a down lineman like Justin Smith. Pressure from downline men is far more valuable because it's much much harder to find dlinemen than rushing tweeners. Miller is special no question but Aldon is just as special.

Just to clarify my statement because MadDag is trying to misrepresent them. I stated nobody would trade Smith for Reed or Kerrigan. I stated that Smith will end up a Dlineman as he increases in size. Which is why he will be valuable. Everybody is aware of Miller right now but to state that he's a HOF base on a single season sounds like Merimen versus Ware argument be careful crowning players to early. Let's see what happens over 3-4 years.
They play very different styles and/or different positions. Aldon has looked freakishly good most of the year but isn't experienced dropping into coverage. If they change the D a bit to allow him to play as a rush specialist who can shut down a side against the run, I think he will explode with productivity. I'm suggesting that they use him sort of like Baltimore uses Suggs--move him all around so the O has no idea where he's coming from. He can still learn to cover as time goes by but until then he can wreck havoc on opposing teams QBs.

I believe this would be possible because the 9er MLBs are able to cover and make up for his moving around by filling the void. The only thing that would hold him back would be a lack of instincts, but that does not seem to be the case.
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