Grantland - Could Alex Smith Become the Worst Quarterback to Ever Win a Super Bowl?

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
It's gotta be Broadway Joe. If it wasn't for the guarantee nobody would remember him. Sure he's famous, but he's remembered for the guarantee, not his mediocre on a good day play. Check out his career stats, they are horrible.

John Elways stats dont really jump out at you either, does that mean he should be considered in this discussion? With his 79.9 career QB rating.

Has to be Bradshaw. Career rating of 72. Didn't crack a 65 rating until his 6th year. He was terrible statistically.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Has to be Bradshaw. Career rating of 72. Didn't crack a 65 rating until his 6th year. He was terrible statistically.

In John Elway's first 10yrs he finally got above an 80 QB rating, imo he entered the HOF based off of his last 6 yrs in the NFL

Originally posted by Travisty13:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Dilfer does have a Pro Bowl under his belt. Just saying.

Dude, he was cut after his team won the Superbowl. Thats all you need to know.

Dude! That's beside the point, he is still a Pro-Bowl QB. When he gets introduced anywhere, he can it be as "Super Bowl Winning, Pro-Bowl QB Trent Dilfer". I'm not an Alex hater, by far, in fact I'm probably one of the few that's supported him throughout the years. But he's never sniffed a Pro-Bowl, unless you count Alex asking Trent all about his trip there. That's all YOU need to know.

I agree. While Dilfer certainly is in the chase, he's by no means the worst of the lot.

The career numbers tell the tale:

Trent Dilfer: 113 TDs; 129 picks; career QB rating 70.2
Doug Williams: 100 TDs; 93 picks; career QB rating 69.4 (third worst numbers of any SB winner)
Jim Plunkett: 164 TDs; 198 picks; career QB rating 67.5 (second worst numbers of any SB winner)
Broadway Joe: 173 TDs; 220 picks; career QB rating 65.5 (worst numbers of any SB winner)

Consequently, you've gotta say Joe Namath's lasting fame (and berth in the Hall of Fame) comes down to what he said, rather than how he played. Was it an amazing and historic win? Certainly. Does that make him a great QB? Based upon the circumstances of that game, without question. But does that make him what we'd generally refer to as a good QB? Not with those crappy numbers! In fact, he was likely the worst QB to ever win a SB.

Returning to Dilfer, without resorting misty-eyed sentimentality, it's awfully hard to say Namath should get the start over Dilfer.

For kicks, look at Roethlisberger's numbers over the course of two Super Bowls

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
It's gotta be Broadway Joe. If it wasn't for the guarantee nobody would remember him. Sure he's famous, but he's remembered for the guarantee, not his mediocre on a good day play. Check out his career stats, they are horrible.

John Elways stats dont really jump out at you either, does that mean he should be considered in this discussion? With his 79.9 career QB rating.

Great point! I didn't even think to look up Elway's numbers. That 79.9 career rating, however, keeps him well clear of the bottom of our chum bucket. More's the pity as you frequently hear Elway's name in discussions about the title that belongs to #16.

Originally posted by 80849er4life:
If he even gets in the conversation I would be all stoked......that would mean we won a Superbowl!!!! Im all for that....

Exactly

If the team plays well enough alex included to where we won a superbowl! I wouldnt care how we won right there would put that team among nfls best ever to win the game. Sure ya could argue stats but the fact is a W is still a W! Our teams led by garcia was great teams as well but i dont recall a lambordy trophy during that tenure.
Goniners bring on the browns

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Great point! I didn't even think to look up Elway's numbers. That 79.9 career rating, however, keeps him well clear of the bottom of our chum bucket. More's the pity as you frequently hear Elway's name in discussions about the title that belongs to #16.

True Elway does have a better QB rating than Joe Namath, but I was trying to make the point that I think The Elway and Joe era were different in that there was better defenses in the 60's and 70's compared to the 80' and 90's . George Blanda is considered one of the best of all time and his numbers aren't very impressive to say the least lol. What I found interesting is that Elway didn't really catch fire till after his 10th season, kinda sounds familiar

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Dude, he was cut after his team won the Superbowl. Thats all you need to know.

He actually was on a 1 year deal and left after the season as a free agent (Ravens replaced him with Grbac who was even worse)

I like how it went from "Smith is the worst QB in NFL history" to "If he wins us a Super Bowl, where will he rank among QB's?" in a matter of 2 months...

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Has to be Bradshaw. Career rating of 72. Didn't crack a 65 rating until his 6th year. He was terrible statistically.

Terry Bradshaw was SO overrated. he was a mediocre QB that rode the coattails of the Steel Curtain D to 4 Super Bowls.

the thing that bothers me most is how he highly he thinks of himself too. the other day he said "you measure a QB by how great he played in big games....like the Super Bowl", just trying to point to himself as being great. Bradshaw and Joe Namath are probably the most overrated QB in NFL history.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by English:

Yes he could win a Superbowl or two. But he could never be the worst qb to win one. Dilfer? Rypien? That position is taken.

rypien was 2 time pro bowl, sb mvp the year they won, and also nfl offensvie player of the year. hes no HOF'er but he isnt even in the discussion of worst qb to win a sb IMO

As soon as his HoF O line disintegrated he showed what he was. IMO. Dilfer would have gone to the Pro Bowl behind those hogs.

I could care less if he would be considered the worst QB to ever win a Super Bowl as long as he's winning Super Bowls.

Is that a pic of p Willie naked? What the fu** that's just wrong man.
Also Alex can and at this point I'm saying will win us a superbowl

Bradshaw even in this discussion? f**k that, look towards the end of the 70s.. his numbers picked up considerably, I can't say I know his stats on hand but still it's laughable