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Why doesnt Patrick Willis make any big plays?

He's also got 2-3 fumble recoveries this year, including the one after the monster mash Dashon put on today.
I hated this thread as soon as I saw it.

Lock this s**t up
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
I hated this thread as soon as I saw it.

Lock this s**t up

this x infinity
Do we need to start the dancing locks?
It's a free world...and everyone can obviously have an opinion.

Willis is the core of this defense and represents everything the 49ers stand for, every after year...on and off the field. I'm sure the coaches know what they have, and how best to utilize this humble and supremely talented individual.
Come on guys...the point of the O.P. was why isn't he making the big plays we always see of Ray Lewis and others if he is in that elite category? And now we have Bowman who is taking away his limelight somewhat. All of this is a GOOD thing for our overall defense as it continues to evolve. Willis is supposed to lead the team in tackles...like a WR in catches...a RB in yards from scimmage. What the OP is asking is where is the big plays? Nothing wrong with asking questions like these or looking deeper into a defensive scheme, the other plays and other reasons for why our star is not as visible this year. Fortunately, the other reasons are all GOOD ones!
the problem is that it's very difficult for us to blitz willis because he is basically a mistake eraser in space. if you blitz willis, and he doesn't get there, then you have taken him out of the play. i know his statline isn't always sexy but that is a blessing and a curse: we don't see the eye popping numbers, but there is a reason why we are one of the best run defenses in the league and why teams have to scheme specially against him to neutralize his effectiveness. this opens up other guys (bowman, brooks, haralson, etc) to make other plays
Originally posted by NCommand:
Come on guys...the point of the O.P. was why isn't he making the big plays we always see of Ray Lewis and others if he is in that elite category? And now we have Bowman who is taking away his limelight somewhat. All of this is a GOOD thing for our overall defense as it continues to evolve. Willis is supposed to lead the team in tackles...like a WR in catches...a RB in yards from scimmage. What the OP is asking is where is the big plays? Nothing wrong with asking questions like these or looking deeper into a defensive scheme, the other plays and other reasons for why our star is not as visible this year. Fortunately, the other reasons are all GOOD ones!

Those that disagree with this line of reasoning, as I do, argue that you just aren't watching the game. Willis is making plenty of big plays. He allows everyone to do what they are doing. People act like Ray lewis is some kind of sackmaster intereception specialist. Ray averages under 2 interceptions a season and only once had more than 3. He has had seasons with none. he averages about 2.4 sacks per season. His best was 5. Had none one season. He has scored a total of 3 tds in 16 years. He has 19 fumbles recovered and 1 safety.

Patrick willis's numbers aren't any better or worse in the "big play" category. He had 6 sacks last year, 4, 1, and 4 before that. He ahs two seasons with no picks one with 1 and one with three. He's scored two tds. He has recovered 3 fumbles.

The point is he isn't playing any better or worse than Ray Lewis over his career so far or any better or worse than he has for us. He is in on all the plays, he is making huge tackles and shutting down the run which is his job. He is often left alone to get the RB while our other players blitz this season which means he has to clean up. He is playing great and I and others on this board would, and have, submited that those who think he isn't don't know what they are watching.

Also, looking at the numbers, where is this magical partick willis who has been leading our team in interceptions and sacks the last few years?
[ Edited by VA49er on Oct 9, 2011 at 8:01 PM ]
Willis will be okay and will make the plays. Just gonna enjoy watching him playing every single week
JH says p52 is a great player to coach because he will do anything for his team to win. All I have seen is 52 at the bottom of most run piles, he covers well, and the reason he isn't making all the spectacular plays, is because for the first time he has a real coach, with a real D, who divide up the spectacular plays so Willis doesn't have to cover both the left and right side of the field at the same time. He is no different, just better than before with terrific instincts(see the pass play he anticipated, maybe watching Freeman's eyes... He flat wrecked it. ) I just don't agree his play has fallen off. He just doesn't have to do everyone else's jobs now. Finally he has help, and man does he ever deserve it.
Originally posted by VA49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Come on guys...the point of the O.P. was why isn't he making the big plays we always see of Ray Lewis and others if he is in that elite category? And now we have Bowman who is taking away his limelight somewhat. All of this is a GOOD thing for our overall defense as it continues to evolve. Willis is supposed to lead the team in tackles...like a WR in catches...a RB in yards from scimmage. What the OP is asking is where is the big plays? Nothing wrong with asking questions like these or looking deeper into a defensive scheme, the other plays and other reasons for why our star is not as visible this year. Fortunately, the other reasons are all GOOD ones!

Those that disagree with this line of reasoning, as I do, argue that you just aren't watching the game. Willis is making plenty of big plays. He allows everyone to do what they are doing. People act like Ray lewis is some kind of sackmaster intereception specialist. Ray averages under 2 interceptions a season and only once had more than 3. He has had seasons with none. he averages about 2.4 sacks per season. His best was 5. Had none one season. He has scored a total of 3 tds in 16 years. He has 19 fumbles recovered and 1 safety.

Patrick willis's numbers aren't any better or worse in the "big play" category. He had 6 sacks last year, 4, 1, and 4 before that. He ahs two seasons with no picks one with 1 and one with three. He's scored two tds. He has recovered 3 fumbles.

The point is he isn't playing any better or worse than Ray Lewis over his career so far or any better or worse than he has for us. He is in on all the plays, he is making huge tackles and shutting down the run which is his job. He is often left alone to get the RB while our other players blitz this season which means he has to clean up. He is playing great and I and others on this board would, and have, submited that those who think he isn't don't know what they are watching.

Also, looking at the numbers, where is this magical partick willis who has been leading our team in interceptions and sacks the last few years?

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Well I guess all the tackles he cleans up from being huge gains or saving could be touchdowns isnt dynamic enough for you??

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
JH says p52 is a great player to coach because he will do anything for his team to win. All I have seen is 52 at the bottom of most run piles, he covers well, and the reason he isn't making all the spectacular plays, is because for the first time he has a real coach, with a real D, who divide up the spectacular plays so Willis doesn't have to cover both the left and right side of the field at the same time. He is no different, just better than before with terrific instincts(see the pass play he anticipated, maybe watching Freeman's eyes... He flat wrecked it. ) I just don't agree his play has fallen off. He just doesn't have to do everyone else's jobs now. Finally he has help, and man does he ever deserve it.

I agree, i saw in an interview last week he said for the first time he doesn't feel like he is out there playing by himself anymore. Read into that how you like but it's apparent.
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