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Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
the didnt need a td, they needed a fg to win. the score was 19-17 and we were on the verge of a collapse. im assuming if we got the football and ginn doesnt take it back for a td then we dont score and we end up punting the ball to sea. alex at that point had like 135 yds with no tds and gore had like 50 yds? im just being honest, we werent doing anything on offense and we were like 1 for 13 on third downs. i think its safe to say we would have punted the ball to sea and set them up for the win. would they have won it? i dont know..... but without ginns valiant efforts it was our game to lose. and the way carrol hates jh he would have pulled out all the stops.

im just analyzing the facts here, and the fact is we are still nowhere near being able to close out games and become a winning team.

The facts as in the drive earlier we drove 72 yards on 15 plays and took 9 minutes off the clock? Or the fact that the drive before Ginn sealed up the game Seattle went 3 & out for -7 yards?

Or maybe it's the fact that many fans arent objective so when the media wants a better story and crowns a "hero" out of Ginn... The sheep will start to forget other actual facts like never trailing, having a defense that forced 5 sacks, 2 fumbles, 7 three and outs along with stopping 8 out of 13 drives for 10 yards or less, and an offense that when given the ball in the 4th quarter took 9 minutes off the clock and drove down the field and scored... not to mention special teams counts so the final score was still 33-17 and thats all that really matters.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by swag141:
Originally posted by Joecool:
That's not an exotic shift. Now having an OT at the slot and shifting him around is an exotic shift. We run out of those, almost always. We aren't fooling anyone. Even in college, when Stanford did an exotic shift, they ran.

And how did Stanford finish last season?

What's your point? We are 1-1 and our running game sucks and passing game is near bottom in the league.

We are 1-1, not 0-2. We look better than last year with no off season work outs. Our passing game is near the bottom of the league in yards gained but Alex has shown marked improvement from years past. We had a couple of breakdowns in the secondary against Dallas that kept us from being 2-0. WHEN we get some sort of running game, we will be difficult to deal with. All these "what if" scenarios posted on this site are tiresome.
rather have scoring opportunities and ball movement than hella yards. the way were doing things kills clock time too and being that weve never trailed in regulation time yet maybe we will see a different offense if we are actually trailing. dont trip big homie
Originally posted by swag141:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by swag141:
Originally posted by Joecool:
That's not an exotic shift. Now having an OT at the slot and shifting him around is an exotic shift. We run out of those, almost always. We aren't fooling anyone. Even in college, when Stanford did an exotic shift, they ran.

And how did Stanford finish last season?

What's your point? We are 1-1 and our running game sucks and passing game is near bottom in the league.

We are 1-1, not 0-2. We look better than last year with no off season work outs. Our passing game is near the bottom of the league in yards gained but Alex has shown marked improvement from years past. We had a couple of breakdowns in the secondary against Dallas that kept us from being 2-0. WHEN we get some sort of running game, we will be difficult to deal with. All these "what if" scenarios posted on this site are tiresome.

Bringing up Stanford has nothing to do with what's happening this year. Because exotic shifts may have worked at Stanford doesn't mean they will work in the NFL, especially if we are running the ball whenever we do an exotic shift.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Impact of the lockout just an excuse??? Please pass what you're smoking.

Teams with new coaching staffs:
Carolina: 0-2 (lost to Ari & GB)
Minnessota: 0-2 (lost to SD & TB)
Tennessee: 1-1 (Beat Balt, Lost to Jacksonville)
Dallas: 1-1: (Beat Niners, lost to Jets)
Denver: 1-1 (Beat Cincy, lost to Oak)
Browns: 1-1 (Beat Manningless Colts, lost to Cincy)
Oakland: 1-1 (Beat Broncos, lost to Buffulo)

Out of all these teams, the only quality win (depending on how you view the niners) was against Baltimore. Otherwise its bad teams beating up on other bad teams with new coaching staffs.. or a manningless colts. And Dallas really doesnt belong here since Garrett has been a coach in waiting for the cowboys for 3 years.

So yeah the lockout is a pretty big factor, just wait till these teams start facing real competition.

Didn't Garrett also take over part-way through the last season?
Originally posted by 5280High:
The facts as in the drive earlier we drove 72 yards on 15 plays and took 9 minutes off the clock? Or the fact that the drive before Ginn sealed up the game Seattle went 3 & out for -7 yards?

Or maybe it's the fact that many fans arent objective so when the media wants a better story and crowns a "hero" out of Ginn... The sheep will start to forget other actual facts like never trailing, having a defense that forced 5 sacks, 2 fumbles, 7 three and outs along with stopping 8 out of 13 drives for 10 yards or less, and an offense that when given the ball in the 4th quarter took 9 minutes off the clock and drove down the field and scored... not to mention special teams counts so the final score was still 33-17 and thats all that really matters.

you talk like we dominated the game.... lmfao, our qb finished with 124 yds and our rb with 59yds on 22 carries. yeah, right on, we killed it! if you dont see a problem with any nfl qb throwing for a meager 124 yds then i applaud you.

if we can only put up these type numbers, what do you think is going to happen when we play a good team?
Originally posted by fastforward:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Impact of the lockout just an excuse??? Please pass what you're smoking.

Teams with new coaching staffs:
Carolina: 0-2 (lost to Ari & GB)
Minnessota: 0-2 (lost to SD & TB)
Tennessee: 1-1 (Beat Balt, Lost to Jacksonville)
Dallas: 1-1: (Beat Niners, lost to Jets)
Denver: 1-1 (Beat Cincy, lost to Oak)
Browns: 1-1 (Beat Manningless Colts, lost to Cincy)
Oakland: 1-1 (Beat Broncos, lost to Buffulo)

Out of all these teams, the only quality win (depending on how you view the niners) was against Baltimore. Otherwise its bad teams beating up on other bad teams with new coaching staffs.. or a manningless colts. And Dallas really doesnt belong here since Garrett has been a coach in waiting for the cowboys for 3 years.

So yeah the lockout is a pretty big factor, just wait till these teams start facing real competition.

Didn't Garrett also take over part-way through the last season?
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also keep in minf we have a new
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new systems across the board
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
rather have scoring opportunities and ball movement than hella yards. the way were doing things kills clock time too and being that weve never trailed in regulation time yet maybe we will see a different offense if we are actually trailing. dont trip big homie

Precisely... if we are down 14 in the 4th quarter and still handing the ball off for no gain, the we can start critiquing the playcalling. Coaches dont call plays based on "what ifs" they call plays on "what is"... meaning that against dallas, they were calling plays like a team up by 10 points who's best unit is the defense.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
rather have scoring opportunities and ball movement than hella yards. the way were doing things kills clock time too and being that weve never trailed in regulation time yet maybe we will see a different offense if we are actually trailing. dont trip big homie


how do you kill clock if you are not eating up yards with long drives?
Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
you talk like we dominated the game.... lmfao, our qb finished with 124 yds and our rb with 59yds on 22 carries. yeah, right on, we killed it! if you dont see a problem with any nfl qb throwing for a meager 124 yds then i applaud you.

if we can only put up these type numbers, what do you think is going to happen when we play a good team?

If we field a team that always puts up 33 points a game, then we will beat plenty of good teams. There are 3 phases to football not just 1. You're just looking for things to hate on, get over it.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:



that fkn literally made me LOL
This picture just had me rollin' LOL.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
rather have scoring opportunities and ball movement than hella yards. the way were doing things kills clock time too and being that weve never trailed in regulation time yet maybe we will see a different offense if we are actually trailing. dont trip big homie

Precisely... if we are down 14 in the 4th quarter and still handing the ball off for no gain, the we can start critiquing the playcalling. Coaches dont call plays based on "what ifs" they call plays on "what is"... meaning that against dallas, they were calling plays like a team up by 10 points who's best unit is the defense.

There's also preparing your team in live game situation. The team could possibly end up sucking being down by 14 because they have never really opened it up and it hasn't been their identity.
[ Edited by Joecool on Sep 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM ]
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
you talk like we dominated the game.... lmfao, our qb finished with 124 yds and our rb with 59yds on 22 carries. yeah, right on, we killed it! if you dont see a problem with any nfl qb throwing for a meager 124 yds then i applaud you.

if we can only put up these type numbers, what do you think is going to happen when we play a good team?

If we field a team that always puts up 33 points a game, then we will beat plenty of good teams. There are 3 phases to football not just 1. You're just looking for things to hate on, get over it.


there are 3 phases to football, you are absolutely right. but if you are counting on st to score points then you will be in for a world of hurt. i count on the offense to score points, well, not this offense anyways.
[ Edited by OptimusPrime52 on Sep 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by swag141:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by swag141:
Originally posted by Joecool:
That's not an exotic shift. Now having an OT at the slot and shifting him around is an exotic shift. We run out of those, almost always. We aren't fooling anyone. Even in college, when Stanford did an exotic shift, they ran.

And how did Stanford finish last season?

What's your point? We are 1-1 and our running game sucks and passing game is near bottom in the league.

We are 1-1, not 0-2. We look better than last year with no off season work outs. Our passing game is near the bottom of the league in yards gained but Alex has shown marked improvement from years past. We had a couple of breakdowns in the secondary against Dallas that kept us from being 2-0. WHEN we get some sort of running game, we will be difficult to deal with. All these "what if" scenarios posted on this site are tiresome.

Bringing up Stanford has nothing to do with what's happening this year. Because exotic shifts may have worked at Stanford doesn't mean they will work in the NFL, especially if we are running the ball whenever we do an exotic shift.

It doesn't mean it wont work either. That's the point. You build an offense one piece at a time. It's like math, you don't start out in Geometry, you build to it. We should all wait and see how it works out before jumping to criticism. I for one am extremely happy to have JH running the team.
Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
Originally posted by 5280High:
The facts as in the drive earlier we drove 72 yards on 15 plays and took 9 minutes off the clock? Or the fact that the drive before Ginn sealed up the game Seattle went 3 & out for -7 yards?

Or maybe it's the fact that many fans arent objective so when the media wants a better story and crowns a "hero" out of Ginn... The sheep will start to forget other actual facts like never trailing, having a defense that forced 5 sacks, 2 fumbles, 7 three and outs along with stopping 8 out of 13 drives for 10 yards or less, and an offense that when given the ball in the 4th quarter took 9 minutes off the clock and drove down the field and scored... not to mention special teams counts so the final score was still 33-17 and thats all that really matters.

you talk like we dominated the game.... lmfao, our qb finished with 124 yds and our rb with 59yds on 22 carries. yeah, right on, we killed it! if you dont see a problem with any nfl qb throwing for a meager 124 yds then i applaud you.

if we can only put up these type numbers, what do you think is going to happen when we play a good team?

Seattles defense is ranked 10th in the NFL. They have played two road games, one against a team in last years superbowl. Not to mention, again, we won that game. Not sure why the dunce cap, but whatever.