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Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Are people forgetting that culls er got beat quite a few times and gave up tds in quite a few games.....1 should of been 2 against g men in the regular season, in the playoffs to Colston and a lot of times he was in good position. However good position or not, whether he improves or not he was the weak link of our CBS out of Rogers and brown. So if Rogers leaves, we are screwed going up against the saints pats gmen det gb and in the playoffs as well.

Yes a pass rush is very important but we will still have a great one without brooks and we can get at least half of his production which is 3.5 sacks with almost ANY olb on our roster, a rookie or a free agent. That is probably how the front office will see it logically. Rogers talent and production will be harder to replace than brooks. Done deal

rogers got beat plenty during the season too. people like to forget that. we can also assume that Cully will improve in his second season. It would be a drop-off, no doubt. but, again, if its a simple "tossup" between the two players, I think having a complete OLB has a greater effect on the whole defense than a very good CB.

Assuming culliver will improve can be all good and well but when has brooks been so good? This year? I like him a lot but Rogers is more valuable as a cb then brooks and his 7 sacks as a olb. That's a pretty easy statement to prove correct, and I'm sure the front office might see it that way as well. If we replace brooks we might only have a small drop off but if we replace Rogers, we better get a probowl cb or close to one.

Now do you see the difference?

Brooks is a good player. He has improved every year he's been here. He's younger. He plays a highly valuable position at which we are thin. A great front 7 > a great secondary.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
well, the Jets were 0-2 against the Pats last year.

I know but their CBS have always done a great job against Brady Let alone any qb they have played. I could state that the giants lost 7 games this year and had only a crappy pass rush for some of those games they lost.....but I wont because overall they have a great pass rush JUst like the jets CBS in shutting down brady
Originally posted by cciowa:
of course this is the right answer.for some reason some forget we have aldon smith ready to take that starting spot. we can find a nice rookie as a pass rusher who can set and learn behind aldon or maybe get lucky and he can contribute right away. replacing rogers is much harder and more expensive than brooks. Plus brooks is not worth 8 million dollars a year. d niner is right, as he usually is

definitely agree that 8 million is more than we can pay for Brooks. and the cost is what will really determine all of this. but just taking that out of the equation for a minute, and looking purely at the effect each player would have on the overall defense, I think a Brooks-Aldon OLB duo is much better than Aldon-Haralson, and will make up for the drop off from Rogers-Brown to Brown-Culliver.
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Brooks can easily be replaced. A pro-bowl CB can't.
The thread should read, if both players are commanding the same amount on the open market, which one would you sign at the same price?? According to sources Brooks is looking for 8 million a year. Rogers wants that much also, so assuming 8 million a year for 4 years, Brroks or Rogers.

I say Rogers.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Brooks is a good player. He has improved every year he's been here. He's younger. He plays a highly valuable position at which we are thin. A great front 7 > a great secondary.

Not when you are playing a good ol, or a good qb with a quick release....CBS are then more valuable. This scenario describes the pats and the saints. Also Gb bc Rogers also is a very mobile qb, so CBS will be more valuable to the niners if they want to win a sb
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
well, the Jets were 0-2 against the Pats last year.

I know but their CBS have always done a great job against Brady Let alone any qb they have played. I could state that the giants lost 7 games this year and had only a crappy pass rush for some of those games they lost.....but I wont because overall they have a great pass rush JUst like the jets CBS in shutting down brady

the Giants had a lot of injuries in their front 7. Started winning when they got them back. I don't think anyone would say that the NYG have a "great secondary." They win on their passrush.

This is all pretty common NFL knowledge. I don't know why I'm having to explain this.
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Originally posted by Ajanke:
Keep Brooks. I agree with he is cheaper and far more productive than many replacements on the market. On top of all of that he stepped up in the playoffs...f**king Rogers got owned by Cruz the first half and he's an old fart lol
alot of people had a bad game vs the giants. Very sad to keep seeing fans wanting to shove good players out the door cuz they had one bad half. To base the entire season of rogers on one bad half is not logical. you have a pro bowl cornerback you keep him over a situational pass rusher that can be easily replaced. If we dump brooks we have aldon smith. if we dump rogers we have _________?
Originally posted by HessianDud:
the Giants had a lot of injuries in their front 7. Started winning when they got them back. I don't think anyone would say that the NYG have a "great secondary." They win on their passrush.

This is all pretty common NFL knowledge. I don't know why I'm having to explain this.

Well have you ever heard of a pro bowl player named antebellum role, or Corey Webster? 2 out of 4 probowlers in their secondary. Guess you missed that one. I don't know why I'm having to explain this???
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i am not willing to enter the season assuming culliver can step up and replace rogers. please
Originally posted by 9erred:
The thread should read, if both players are commanding the same amount on the open market, which one would you sign at the same price?? According to sources Brooks is looking for 8 million a year. Rogers wants that much also, so assuming 8 million a year for 4 years, Brroks or Rogers.

I say Rogers.
Not necessarily. Cost is going to be a factor, and it should be a factor here. I think we can resign Brooks for cheaper than Rogers, and that's a point in Brooks' column.
Originally posted by cciowa:
alot of people had a bad game vs the giants. Very sad to keep seeing fans wanting to shove good players out the door cuz they had one bad half. To base the entire season of rogers on one bad half is not logical. you have a pro bowl cornerback you keep him over a situational pass rusher that can be easily replaced. If we dump brooks we have aldon smith. if we dump rogers we have _________?

So true. Rogers also got 2 it's one of which was against Cruz in the first meeting. I guess people love a good olb over a pro bowl cb. Glad they are not running the front office
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Fal_Mc11:
Originally posted by lamontb:
This really is a tough one. Younger pass rusher vs aging corner back. A corner back that had a career year playing behind a dominate front 7. He had 6 interceptions this year vs 8 in his whole career. Then Brooks has had questions about wok ethic at times. But every year the guy has improved. Probably will be a 9 sack guy his whole career. But that's exactly what you need when you have the Smith Bros. wrecking havoc. To me Brooks has a better chance of maintaining his current level of play for far longer than Rogers. I'm slightly leaning towards Brooks. I think it will come down to how well the staff thinks Aldon projects as starter at OLB vs how they project Culliver ar a starter.(1)

Brooks is young and has improved every year since joining the team. Plus we have worked so hard on building a pass rush the last few years, are we ready to take a step back in that department? Mario Williams will be the top OLB for the 3-4 on the market, but Brooks will be up there to due to this age and skill level. Does he want big money? If so the Cowgirls, can write the HUGE check that will make it hard for him to return.(2)

Clearly I want Brooks over Rogers. See Rogers is and was great last year, but part of that was the product of a great pass rush. A pass rush provided by Brooks and the Smiths. If Brooks leaves, that would leave us who to replace him? Don't out price yourself Brooks, stay loyal to the team that took you off waivers and believed in you.

1. Culliver looked great and statistically he measures right up to Rogers. As a nickel and occasional #2 Cully logged 40% the amount of snaps that Rogers played and he logged 7 PDs while Rogers logged 18. Ironically 7 is 40% of 18 so you extrapolate Cully's production out to a similar level as Rogers. Cully also registered 35 tackles while Rogers registered 44. IMO I think Cully could step right in for Rogers and we'd have minimal drop off, the only issue is Cully isn't nimble enough to cover slot receivers in the nickel like Rogers is, unless Brock or T. Brown is skilled enough to defend against slot receivers we'd have to find a new CB capable of covering the slot.

Thats the real question: Can Cully cover slot receivers in the nickel and completely take over for Rogers or will we have to find a new slot corner when we go to nickel packages? Will Brown be able to move inside on the slot with Brock coming in as the nickel on the outside?

2.With Jerry's comments about wanting our ILBs I bet he wouldn't mind snatching up a quality OLB from us lol. Someone said MM tweeted that Brooks is looking for $8M a year average, is he really worth that much to us? IMO Aldon will be able to take over for him next year and we either draft a new pass rush specialist OLB or use Demarcus Dobbs as a pass rush DE on 3rd down.

Letting Brooks walk seems like it will cause the least amount of headaches especially if he is demanding some ridiculous salary.
Good points. But it's not like Rogers locked down the slot. He's still trying to figure out which way Victor Cruz is going. Niners had to double cover the slot in the 2nd half of the game.

And Dobbs isn't going to be a pass rush specialist on 3rd downs. That's still going to be Aldon's job in the 4 man front.

Now that 8 million a year for Brooks might be the ultimate deal breaker. Do you or anybody have a clue what the going rate is for a 8-10 sack OLB is in the NFL?
Originally posted by elguapo:
Well have you ever heard of a pro bowl player named antebellum role, or Corey Webster? 2 out of 4 probowlers in their secondary. Guess you missed that one. I don't know why I'm having to explain this???

Wow antrelle rolle my I pad went crazy
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
the Giants had a lot of injuries in their front 7. Started winning when they got them back. I don't think anyone would say that the NYG have a "great secondary." They win on their passrush.

This is all pretty common NFL knowledge. I don't know why I'm having to explain this.

Well have you ever heard of a pro bowl player named antebellum role, or Corey Webster? 2 out of 4 probowlers in their secondary. Guess you missed that one. I don't know why I'm having to explain this???

did you just start following the NFL?
Originally posted by HessianDud:
did you just start following the NFL?

Have you ever watched an nfl game?