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Was his deal one year? Have to sign him and Spillman
"I just think my family always told me to keep doing the right thing, and everywhere I've been I've always given my all. I've kept that mindset." - 49ers linebacker Blake Costanzo

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Tony Montana!!
  • teeohh
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I love this guy
I know some of you are going to say, "just keep both!", and we very well may be able to. But a more realistic, slightly more pessimistic look reveals that after resigning Smith and Morgan, tagging Goldson, and signing a FA WR, we may not have enough money to pay both men market value, and may have to make a decision to let one of them walk.

If it comes down to it, I've been wracking my brain figuring out which one we should keep. On one hand, our secondary is weak so removing our best corner opens that weakness even more. On the other hand, a strong pass-rush can make an average secondary look great, and takes the pressure off them. So I made a pro/con list for each, and feel free to add to it before voting:

Keep Rogers/Let Brooks Walk:
- Rogers is a Pro Bowler, and more integral than Brooks
- Keeping Rogers lets our young CBs like Culliver and Brock develop without being thrown into the deep end
- With Smith going to all three downs, we can move Parys to the other side, where he's not as strong on rushing but can set the end and play coverage
- Our secondary is our weakness; by keeping Rogers, we can turn it into a strength

Keep Brooks/Let Rogers Walk:
- Likely cheaper than Rogers
- Parys isn't a pass-rusher, meaning offenses can focus on stopping Aldon and Justin and not worry about the other side as much if we let him go
- The FO is high on Culliver, and starting him and Brown wouldn't be the end of the world
- Great pass-rushers are difficult to find later on in the draft, while cornerbacks are a bit easier to find
- It's possible Rogers was a one-year fluke, and won't play up to the same level next year

Overall, I'm leaning towards letting Rogers walk, despite the fact that I've been wanting us to improve our secondary for three straight offseasons. Your thoughts?
Brooks can easily be replaced. A pro-bowl CB can't.
This really is a tough one. Younger pass rusher vs aging corner back. A corner back that had a career year playing behind a dominate front 7. He had 6 interceptions this year vs 8 in his whole career. Then Brooks has had questions about wok ethic at times. But every year the guy has improved. Probably will be a 9 sack guy his whole career. But that's exactly what you need when you have the Smith Bros. wrecking havoc. To me Brooks has a better chance of maintaining his current level of play for far longer than Rogers. I'm slightly leaning towards Brooks. I think it will come down to how well the staff thinks Aldon projects as starter at OLB vs how they project Culliver ar a starter.
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Brooks has more upside and is probably less likely to want to cash in on his season, but I was thinking we might even lose them both if we go for a big FA.
Originally posted by lamontb:
This really is a tough one. Younger pass rusher vs aging corner back. A corner back that had a career year playing behind a dominate front 7. He had 6 interceptions this year vs 8 in his whole career. Then Brooks has had questions about wok ethic at times. But every year the guy has improved. Probably will be a 9 sack guy his whole career. But that's exactly what you need when you have the Smith Bros. wrecking havoc. To me Brooks has a better chance of maintaining his current level of play for far longer than Rogers. I'm slightly leaning towards Brooks. I think it will come down to how well the staff thinks Aldon projects as starter at OLB vs how they project Culliver ar a starter.

Brooks is young and has improved every year since joining the team. Plus we have worked so hard on building a pass rush the last few years, are we ready to take a step back in that department? Mario Williams will be the top OLB for the 3-4 on the market, but Brooks will be up there to due to this age and skill level. Does he want big money? If so the Cowgirls, can write the HUGE check that will make it hard for him to return.

Clearly I want Brooks over Rogers. See Rogers is and was great last year, but part of that was the product of a great pass rush. A pass rush provided by Brooks and the Smiths. If Brooks leaves, that would leave us who to replace him? Don't out price yourself Brooks, stay loyal to the team that took you off waivers and believed in you.
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Brooks can easily be replaced. A pro-bowl CB can't.

No offense but this is pattently untrue. It will take 2 guys to replace Brooks in a very thin OLB market. There is nobody on the street at his price tag that can step in and produce at his level. We will be starting Aldon yes, but we would still have to pay Haralson and draft a guy plus sign a veteran backup because we have nobody on the roster if someone gets hurt. Haralson + early Rookie + Vet is likely going to cost just as much or more as Brooks + Haralson + plus later round rookie.

Meanwhile we have two all be it young, but starting quality corners and there are many more of corners on the market than OLB's. Many of those guys although not quite as good as Carlos could step in and play nickle seemlesly and back up our young guys and there are even a few who are younger than Carlos that could push for a starting job, giving Cully another year to develop.
Originally posted by Fal_Mc11:
Originally posted by lamontb:
This really is a tough one. Younger pass rusher vs aging corner back. A corner back that had a career year playing behind a dominate front 7. He had 6 interceptions this year vs 8 in his whole career. Then Brooks has had questions about wok ethic at times. But every year the guy has improved. Probably will be a 9 sack guy his whole career. But that's exactly what you need when you have the Smith Bros. wrecking havoc. To me Brooks has a better chance of maintaining his current level of play for far longer than Rogers. I'm slightly leaning towards Brooks. I think it will come down to how well the staff thinks Aldon projects as starter at OLB vs how they project Culliver ar a starter.

Brooks is young and has improved every year since joining the team. Plus we have worked so hard on building a pass rush the last few years, are we ready to take a step back in that department? Mario Williams will be the top OLB for the 3-4 on the market, but Brooks will be up there to due to this age and skill level. Does he want big money? If so the Cowgirls, can write the HUGE check that will make it hard for him to return.

Clearly I want Brooks over Rogers. See Rogers is and was great last year, but part of that was the product of a great pass rush. A pass rush provided by Brooks and the Smiths. If Brooks leaves, that would leave us who to replace him? Don't out price yourself Brooks, stay loyal to the team that took you off waivers and believed in you.
Exaclty. How many years have we been screaming for a pass rush. And it's no slight to Rogers. No doubt in my mind that i would love to have a combo of Brown/Rogers over Brown/Culliver.

And it's just the nature of the beast that guys go out and seek huge deals. Especially when you have yet to really cash in. Brooks and even more so Rogers are 2 guys that really haven't fully cashed in. so coming off of great season you can look for both guys to go for top dollar. Hopefully the Niners offers are in the ballpark so they could take a little less to re sign.
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Originally posted by Fal_Mc11:
Originally posted by lamontb:
This really is a tough one. Younger pass rusher vs aging corner back. A corner back that had a career year playing behind a dominate front 7. He had 6 interceptions this year vs 8 in his whole career. Then Brooks has had questions about wok ethic at times. But every year the guy has improved. Probably will be a 9 sack guy his whole career. But that's exactly what you need when you have the Smith Bros. wrecking havoc. To me Brooks has a better chance of maintaining his current level of play for far longer than Rogers. I'm slightly leaning towards Brooks. I think it will come down to how well the staff thinks Aldon projects as starter at OLB vs how they project Culliver ar a starter.(1)

Brooks is young and has improved every year since joining the team. Plus we have worked so hard on building a pass rush the last few years, are we ready to take a step back in that department? Mario Williams will be the top OLB for the 3-4 on the market, but Brooks will be up there to due to this age and skill level. Does he want big money? If so the Cowgirls, can write the HUGE check that will make it hard for him to return.(2)

Clearly I want Brooks over Rogers. See Rogers is and was great last year, but part of that was the product of a great pass rush. A pass rush provided by Brooks and the Smiths. If Brooks leaves, that would leave us who to replace him? Don't out price yourself Brooks, stay loyal to the team that took you off waivers and believed in you.

1. Culliver looked great and statistically he measures right up to Rogers. As a nickel and occasional #2 Cully logged 40% the amount of snaps that Rogers played and he logged 7 PDs while Rogers logged 18. Ironically 7 is 40% of 18 so you extrapolate Cully's production out to a similar level as Rogers. Cully also registered 35 tackles while Rogers registered 44. IMO I think Cully could step right in for Rogers and we'd have minimal drop off, the only issue is Cully isn't nimble enough to cover slot receivers in the nickel like Rogers is, unless Brock or T. Brown is skilled enough to defend against slot receivers we'd have to find a new CB capable of covering the slot.

Thats the real question: Can Cully cover slot receivers in the nickel and completely take over for Rogers or will we have to find a new slot corner when we go to nickel packages? Will Brown be able to move inside on the slot with Brock coming in as the nickel on the outside?

2.With Jerry's comments about wanting our ILBs I bet he wouldn't mind snatching up a quality OLB from us lol. Someone said MM tweeted that Brooks is looking for $8M a year average, is he really worth that much to us? IMO Aldon will be able to take over for him next year and we either draft a new pass rush specialist OLB or use Demarcus Dobbs as a pass rush DE on 3rd down.

Letting Brooks walk seems like it will cause the least amount of headaches especially if he is demanding some ridiculous salary.
[ Edited by sfout on Feb 23, 2012 at 8:15 AM ]
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Brooks can easily be replaced. A pro-bowl CB can't.

No offense but this is pattently untrue. It will take 2 guys to replace Brooks in a very thin OLB market. There is nobody on the street at his price tag that can step in and produce at his level. We will be starting Aldon yes, but we would still have to pay Haralson and draft a guy plus sign a veteran backup because we have nobody on the roster if someone gets hurt. Haralson + early Rookie + Vet is likely going to cost just as much or more as Brooks + Haralson + plus later round rookie.

Meanwhile we have two all be it young, but starting quality corners and there are many more of corners on the market than OLB's. Many of those guys although not quite as good as Carlos could step in and play nickle seemlesly and back up our young guys and there are even a few who are younger than Carlos that could push for a starting job, giving Cully another year to develop.

Very tough call but I have to go with Brooks.

It's tough because our secondary has been a HUGE Achilles heel up until this year and you don't want to see it regress BUT...

  • Rogers is 31, he's going to start to decline
  • We have young talent behind him with Cully and Brock and if Cully has a good camp, he's very capable of starting alongside Brown
  • To note the previous poster, there's a VERY thin OLB market, one that's even thinner once you narrow down to OLBs that can play in a 3-4

For those reasons, we need to have Brooks over Rogers. He can only get better and keeping him helps out the secondary, whereas letting him go makes them more vulnerable.
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Fal_Mc11:
Originally posted by lamontb:
This really is a tough one. Younger pass rusher vs aging corner back. A corner back that had a career year playing behind a dominate front 7. He had 6 interceptions this year vs 8 in his whole career. Then Brooks has had questions about wok ethic at times. But every year the guy has improved. Probably will be a 9 sack guy his whole career. But that's exactly what you need when you have the Smith Bros. wrecking havoc. To me Brooks has a better chance of maintaining his current level of play for far longer than Rogers. I'm slightly leaning towards Brooks. I think it will come down to how well the staff thinks Aldon projects as starter at OLB vs how they project Culliver ar a starter.

Brooks is young and has improved every year since joining the team. Plus we have worked so hard on building a pass rush the last few years, are we ready to take a step back in that department? Mario Williams will be the top OLB for the 3-4 on the market, but Brooks will be up there to due to this age and skill level. Does he want big money? If so the Cowgirls, can write the HUGE check that will make it hard for him to return.

Clearly I want Brooks over Rogers. See Rogers is and was great last year, but part of that was the product of a great pass rush. A pass rush provided by Brooks and the Smiths. If Brooks leaves, that would leave us who to replace him? Don't out price yourself Brooks, stay loyal to the team that took you off waivers and believed in you.
Exaclty. How many years have we been screaming for a pass rush. And it's no slight to Rogers. No doubt in my mind that i would love to have a combo of Brown/Rogers over Brown/Culliver.

And it's just the nature of the beast that guys go out and seek huge deals. Especially when you have yet to really cash in. Brooks and even more so Rogers are 2 guys that really haven't fully cashed in. so coming off of great season you can look for both guys to go for top dollar. Hopefully the Niners offers are in the ballpark so they could take a little less to re sign.

Yeah it's the cashing in part that worries me, I would guess with only 1 season with us Rogers would be less likely to take a discount of some kind. But we'll see...
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Brooks can easily be replaced. A pro-bowl CB can't.

No offense but this is pattently untrue. It will take 2 guys to replace Brooks in a very thin OLB market. There is nobody on the street at his price tag that can step in and produce at his level. We will be starting Aldon yes, but we would still have to pay Haralson and draft a guy plus sign a veteran backup because we have nobody on the roster if someone gets hurt. Haralson + early Rookie + Vet is likely going to cost just as much or more as Brooks + Haralson + plus later round rookie.

Meanwhile we have two all be it young, but starting quality corners and there are many more of corners on the market than OLB's. Many of those guys although not quite as good as Carlos could step in and play nickle seemlesly and back up our young guys and there are even a few who are younger than Carlos that could push for a starting job, giving Cully another year to develop.

Just a couple of years ago Haralson was an 8 sack/year guy. I don't think the dropoff is as steep from Brooks to Harlson as it is from Rodgers to Culliver.

Also, we know that when Rodgers gets paid he will still show up and play. Brooks has had concerns about keeping in shape. I'm not sure that he's gonna have the same drive after a major payday.

So if Brooks comes back cheep, I'm all for keeping the guy; but, if it's one or the other as the OP asked... I'd rather keep Rodgers.
I think Alex and Rogers are the first two FA's that agree to new contracts.
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