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Patrick Willis #23 on NFL countdown

Originally posted by FreddyG:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Janitor:
For future reference (because he will be back), just ignore him completely. If you don't feed a troll it dies. I can ban him all night, it only takes a click, and one more to erase him completely.

Good call, I think he is using multiple accounts at once. You know your life has taken some wrong turns when you have to invent friends to agree with you.

and those friends being yourself at that...lol

I am a little suspicious of all noobs at the moment. I have never seen so many new handles with so few posts in one day.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by FreddyG:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Janitor:
For future reference (because he will be back), just ignore him completely. If you don't feed a troll it dies. I can ban him all night, it only takes a click, and one more to erase him completely.

Good call, I think he is using multiple accounts at once. You know your life has taken some wrong turns when you have to invent friends to agree with you.

and those friends being yourself at that...lol

I am a little suspicious of all noobs at the moment. I have never seen so many new handles with so few posts in one day.

Janitor called out all the longtime guests and called us lurkers in the "Webzone Wants You" thread, then someone posted some boobies and I was sold. I wasn't the only one.

[ Edited by WRATHman44 on Jun 20, 2011 at 21:32:18 ]
Yea the "Webzone Wants You" thread inspired me to sign up. Was a lurker for quite a while, this is the best site for all things 49ers.

[ Edited by SofaKing on Jun 20, 2011 at 21:36:17 ]
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by FreddyG:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Janitor:
For future reference (because he will be back), just ignore him completely. If you don't feed a troll it dies. I can ban him all night, it only takes a click, and one more to erase him completely.

Good call, I think he is using multiple accounts at once. You know your life has taken some wrong turns when you have to invent friends to agree with you.

and those friends being yourself at that...lol

I am a little suspicious of all noobs at the moment. I have never seen so many new handles with so few posts in one day.

I have noticed a lot more new people, but a few of us basically announced in that WEBZONE WANTS YOU thread and out of that group, I think you have very little to complain about. The two guys that are new that I've seen be complete trolls were in this previous existing thread. WRATHman, Sofaking and myself I think have been pretty good IMO.
In regards to this thread. Like I said previously...I think a lot of people are being major homers complaining and making it seem like some major insult to have Patrick Willis at #23. The difference between 23 and some in 10-15 really is not that much when you are dealing with the top 100 players in the entire NFL. 23 still represents the top 2% of the league.

Some guys were even saying that he should be top 5 and maybe number one. That's just blind stupid homerism.
Like I said in the original thread, I expected Patrick Willis to be in the 11-20 range.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Like I said in the original thread, I expected Patrick Willis to be in the 11-20 range.

I'm OK with where he was, but wouldn't put him any higher than what you said, especially not for last year, which was still great but not his best.
Originally posted by elhebrewhammer:
In regards to this thread. Like I said previously...I think a lot of people are being major homers complaining and making it seem like some major insult to have Patrick Willis at #23. The difference between 23 and some in 10-15 really is not that much when you are dealing with the top 100 players in the entire NFL. 23 still represents the top 2% of the league.

Some guys were even saying that he should be top 5 and maybe number one. That's just blind stupid homerism.

That's a good point, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he should be ranked in the top 10. In 4 years, he's a 4-time probowler and 3-time 1st team All-Pro. He is better at this point in time than Ray Lewis hands down, yet Lewis will be higher on this list. I thought this list was Best Players of 2011, not Best Players of 2000-2010. It is inconsistent in some spots.
Originally posted by Janitor:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Like I said in the original thread, I expected Patrick Willis to be in the 11-20 range.

I'm OK with where he was, but wouldn't put him any higher than what you said, especially not for last year, which was still great but not his best.

Name 22 players better than him, I dare you. Or name even 5 non-QB's that are better.
Originally posted by elhebrewhammer:
In regards to this thread. Like I said previously...I think a lot of people are being major homers complaining and making it seem like some major insult to have Patrick Willis at #23. The difference between 23 and some in 10-15 really is not that much when you are dealing with the top 100 players in the entire NFL. 23 still represents the top 2% of the league.

Some guys were even saying that he should be top 5 and maybe number one. That's just blind stupid homerism.

I could easily justify his being top-5. Other than Brady, Manning, and then I'll give you Brees and Rodgers, there's no one else that is unquestionably better.
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Love Willis on the niners...only thing i'd like him to improve in is his on field leadership. hopefully the new coaching staff will take him to the next level.
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BTW, willis belongs in the top 10.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by elhebrewhammer:
In regards to this thread. Like I said previously...I think a lot of people are being major homers complaining and making it seem like some major insult to have Patrick Willis at #23. The difference between 23 and some in 10-15 really is not that much when you are dealing with the top 100 players in the entire NFL. 23 still represents the top 2% of the league.

Some guys were even saying that he should be top 5 and maybe number one. That's just blind stupid homerism.

That's a good point, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he should be ranked in the top 10. In 4 years, he's a 4-time probowler and 3-time 1st team All-Pro. He is better at this point in time than Ray Lewis hands down, yet Lewis will be higher on this list. I thought this list was Best Players of 2011, not Best Players of 2000-2010. It is inconsistent in some spots.

I can see an "argument" for top 10, but I just don't think he there is at this point. Honestly, I think he's more 15 - 20, but playing MLB with the 49ers doesn't help him. Teams have learned to play around him a bit and even though he still is making plays and an impact, I think he still has room to grow.

He's already the best MLB in the NFL IMO and is an elite run stopper, but I think he can improve everywhere else in his game. I also think the new coaching staff will be a better job utilizing him more. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Singletary and Manusky were bad linebacker coaches, but their conservative focus on stopping the run type philsophy hindered a lot of the Niners players (especially the secondary) including Patrick Willis.
Originally posted by elhebrewhammer:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by elhebrewhammer:
In regards to this thread. Like I said previously...I think a lot of people are being major homers complaining and making it seem like some major insult to have Patrick Willis at #23. The difference between 23 and some in 10-15 really is not that much when you are dealing with the top 100 players in the entire NFL. 23 still represents the top 2% of the league.

Some guys were even saying that he should be top 5 and maybe number one. That's just blind stupid homerism.

That's a good point, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he should be ranked in the top 10. In 4 years, he's a 4-time probowler and 3-time 1st team All-Pro. He is better at this point in time than Ray Lewis hands down, yet Lewis will be higher on this list. I thought this list was Best Players of 2011, not Best Players of 2000-2010. It is inconsistent in some spots.

I can see an "argument" for top 10, but I just don't think he there is at this point. Honestly, I think he's more 15 - 20, but playing MLB with the 49ers doesn't help him. Teams have learned to play around him a bit and even though he still is making plays and an impact, I think he still has room to grow.

He's already the best MLB in the NFL IMO and is an elite run stopper, but I think he can improve everywhere else in his game. I also think the new coaching staff will be a better job utilizing him more. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Singletary and Manusky were bad linebacker coaches, but their conservative focus on stopping the run type philsophy hindered a lot of the Niners players (especially the secondary) including Patrick Willis.

Name one linebacker, or even just defensive player, that has a more complete game. MAYBE Troy Polamalu is on par but that's about it. He's obviously the best against the run. No inside 'backer is as good a pass rusher, and he can also cover as well as any other inside 'backer with his athleticism, quickness, and sub-4.4 speed.
Patrick Willis best at his position.