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Jun 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM
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All I gotta say is, no more Defensive HC's unless it's Rex Ryan.
Jun 10, 2011 at 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by TJA85:
run run run punt

let me elaborate...

run up the middle for -2 yards.

aborted snap, QB falls on the ball - 5 yards.

draw on 3rd and 17 for 4 yards.

punt (excellent punt )

This was singletary's master plan when he said he was gonna focus on special teams...

Andy Lee!
Jun 10, 2011 at 10:27 AM
lol we came out and got blown up by a division rival first game of the season.

Our entire team didn't even look like they knew what a football was, let alone trust the play calling or the scheme. It's coaching, and it isn't even a debate.
Jun 10, 2011 at 10:30 AM
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Mistakes and un-disclipine, plain and simple. For example:

-D. Walker and Alex's bonehead missed t.d. against Seattle(game changer)
-Defense giving up last minute drive to N.O.
-Missed catches and turnovers(fumbled punt by Adams(game changer)) (D. Walker Fumble, Gore Fumble in the redzone)
-Coaching decisions. Going for it on 4th and Goal and getting stomped. I can think of 2 big T.d's we missed out on. Seattle and San Diego.
-Nate Clements int. fumble
-Missed block causing Alex to get sacked with lead
-Alex's fumble against Philly
-J. Smith getting thrown out for decking a ref

There's just so many more. I honestly believe if it wasn't for all the mistakes we could have been 8-8 easily.

my favorite memory is Baas hiking the ball over Alex's head into the endzone.
Jun 10, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Poor QB play was exacerbated by poor coaching
Jun 10, 2011 at 10:34 AM
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Poor QB play was exacerbated by poor coaching

+1 Game against the saints showed that! We lost like that is b.s. Alex looked like drew brees out their, S Payton went waterboy on sing!
Jun 10, 2011 at 10:35 AM
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Mistakes and un-disclipine, plain and simple. For example:

-D. Walker and Alex's bonehead missed t.d. against Seattle(game changer)
-Defense giving up last minute drive to N.O.
-Missed catches and turnovers(fumbled punt by Adams(game changer)) (D. Walker Fumble, Gore Fumble in the redzone)
-Coaching decisions. Going for it on 4th and Goal and getting stomped. I can think of 2 big T.d's we missed out on. Seattle and San Diego.
-Nate Clements int. fumble
-Missed block causing Alex to get sacked with lead
-Alex's fumble against Philly
-J. Smith getting thrown out for decking a ref

There's just so many more. I honestly believe if it wasn't for all the mistakes we could have been 8-8 easily.

The majority of this amounts to coaching. Coaching = having the players prepared for all situations, last year the niners just looked lost. As much as everyone wants to hop of the QB, 5 of those first 6 games were winnable. Our 2 minute defense was complete crap and accounted for a couple losses. Poorly timed fumbles, ANOTHER fumble of an int in atlanta, QB rotating door, it was just all bad.

The defense was supremely dissapointing, and Manusky was a little overated IMO. How did the niners not constantly terrorize Seattle's QB in the first game of the season with their make shift O-line... their O-line coach left and they didn't even know who was going to start for half their line until a week before the game. Then to give up leads to Atlanta and NO like we did... total crap. The offense wasn't that much better but the fact remains... we had the lead in plenty of games and just couldn't finish them out due to defensive inconsistency.

the first 2-3 offensive drives in that seattle game, we came out crisp.. we could run decently, we had swag, alex was hitting most of his throws.. If you paused at that moment I thought we were going to do good last year.

Then we failed to convert and get in the endzone, seattle remembered we had nate on the field, and took advantage of him.. the crowd got into the game, and out defense checked out.

Alex got the blame, when really it was bad coaching, bad catching by D walk and norris, and bad, really bad defense.

[ Edited by unst4bl3 on Jun 10, 2011 at 10:35:32 ]
Jun 10, 2011 at 10:42 AM
They didn't have the coaching staff to develop the younger players. Our 2010 draft should of contributed much more...especially Mays. you don't tinker and play head games with a talented kid like him and Navarro.
Jun 10, 2011 at 11:18 AM
50/50, they should share the blame( like most on here like to say)

Coaching wasnt as bad as some make it seem. We were in most games til the end.

If our Qb would have made a couple of plays, like a true leader or field general makes, then we might have pulled of a couple more wins. A game plan is only as good as its execution.

I think blame should also be placed on Manusky and his bend don't break defense, which killed us numerous times, like in the Saints game.
Jun 10, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Poor QB play was exacerbated by poor coaching

+1 Game against the saints showed that! We lost like that is b.s. Alex looked like drew brees out their, S Payton went waterboy on sing!

Yeah, there were some cases last year where we had decent coaching/gameplans and it actually showed on the field (till bonehead coaching ruined it)

IE: saints game, defense kept one of the most potent teams in check, or falcons game..

That being said, if our team can look that good at times with crappy coaching, the harbaugh era should be fantastic.

Jun 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Poor QB play was exacerbated by poor coaching

+1 Game against the saints showed that! We lost like that is b.s. Alex looked like drew brees out their, S Payton went waterboy on sing!

Yeah, there were some cases last year where we had decent coaching/gameplans and it actually showed on the field (till bonehead coaching ruined it)

IE: saints game, defense kept one of the most potent teams in check, or falcons game..
That being said, if our team can look that good at times with crappy coaching, the harbaugh era should be fantastic.

58 minutes of great play gets thrown out the window if the team can't finish the last 2 minutes of the game. Or is that what you meant by bonehead coaching ruining it?
Jun 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
The abysmal coaching, of course.

When you can't even get the plays in on time... when you can't (or refuse to) make adjustments from what is not working... when opposing defenses are calling your offensive plays pre-snap... when your press CBs are constantly playing 7-10 yards off of receivers...

Yeah... I liked Nolan and Singletary at first, but my Lord, how disgraceful they were as HCs.

When you cannot get any pressure on the opposing QB and he has all day to pick your defense apart. When your defensive scheme is so predictable week in and week out that opposing QBs know exactly what area of the field to target on crucial downs.

I, too, liked Nolan and Singletary at first. Singletary moreso after he came in and began to get more out of the talent on the team--VD, Brooks, etc. But his lack of experience as a coach caught up to him.

For example, how could he think the team would improve by replacing not just one, but two starting OL with rookies--no matter how talented those rookies might be? That move spoke volumes about his inexperience as a HC, and his lack of understanding of the offensive side of the ball.

I am encouraged by the changes on the coaching staff. Now if we could just see them get to work.

BTW, how smart is Harbaugh to not only get a playbook to Smith, but "other teaching materials" as well for Smith to use at Camp Alex. Shows some ability to plan ahead, doesn't it?

If Sing would STFU and let the OC do his thing (Martz) 9ers would be playoff bound the last 2 years. When interviewing OC's...if Sing said (do whatever the eff you want) we'd probably have Linehan and be playoff bound.

Sing's stubbornness ruined him. I think he's a good motivator and it shows on the field....the team played hard. But, the O was pathetic and the D was putrid.

The thing about Martz is that he gets qbs killed and his offenses historically turn the ball over at a prodigious rate. Linehan might have been a better fit, but then we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs with the absolute piss poor play we have gotten from the offensive line. I sure hope they play better this year because your offense is only as good as your pass protection allows it to be.

Excellent point. I'd go so far as to say your offense is only as good as your offensive line allows it to be.

I look for improvement this year because Iupati and Davis have a year's experience. Throwing them both in there at the same time as rookies last year was a mistake, IMHO.
Jun 10, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
The abysmal coaching, of course.

When you can't even get the plays in on time... when you can't (or refuse to) make adjustments from what is not working... when opposing defenses are calling your offensive plays pre-snap... when your press CBs are constantly playing 7-10 yards off of receivers...

Yeah... I liked Nolan and Singletary at first, but my Lord, how disgraceful they were as HCs.

When you cannot get any pressure on the opposing QB and he has all day to pick your defense apart. When your defensive scheme is so predictable week in and week out that opposing QBs know exactly what area of the field to target on crucial downs.

I, too, liked Nolan and Singletary at first. Singletary moreso after he came in and began to get more out of the talent on the team--VD, Brooks, etc. But his lack of experience as a coach caught up to him.

For example, how could he think the team would improve by replacing not just one, but two starting OL with rookies--no matter how talented those rookies might be? That move spoke volumes about his inexperience as a HC, and his lack of understanding of the offensive side of the ball.

I am encouraged by the changes on the coaching staff. Now if we could just see them get to work.

BTW, how smart is Harbaugh to not only get a playbook to Smith, but "other teaching materials" as well for Smith to use at Camp Alex. Shows some ability to plan ahead, doesn't it?

If Sing would STFU and let the OC do his thing (Martz) 9ers would be playoff bound the last 2 years. When interviewing OC's...if Sing said (do whatever the eff you want) we'd probably have Linehan and be playoff bound.

Sing's stubbornness ruined him. I think he's a good motivator and it shows on the field....the team played hard. But, the O was pathetic and the D was putrid.

The thing about Martz is that he gets qbs killed and his offenses historically turn the ball over at a prodigious rate. Linehan might have been a better fit, but then we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs with the absolute piss poor play we have gotten from the offensive line. I sure hope they play better this year because your offense is only as good as your pass protection allows it to be.

Excellent point. I'd go so far as to say your offense is only as good as your offensive line allows it to be.

I look for improvement this year because Iupati and Davis have a year's experience. Throwing them both in there at the same time as rookies last year was a mistake, IMHO.

Chilo is a big problem that needs to be fixed.
Jun 10, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Polls like this are kinda pointless. How many coaches are there? And to say the biggest problem was one player at one position on a 53 man roster is just, I dunno, lame?! Don't spend my 2 cents all at one place.
Jun 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
The abysmal coaching, of course.

When you can't even get the plays in on time... when you can't (or refuse to) make adjustments from what is not working... when opposing defenses are calling your offensive plays pre-snap... when your press CBs are constantly playing 7-10 yards off of receivers...

Yeah... I liked Nolan and Singletary at first, but my Lord, how disgraceful they were as HCs.

When you cannot get any pressure on the opposing QB and he has all day to pick your defense apart. When your defensive scheme is so predictable week in and week out that opposing QBs know exactly what area of the field to target on crucial downs.

I, too, liked Nolan and Singletary at first. Singletary moreso after he came in and began to get more out of the talent on the team--VD, Brooks, etc. But his lack of experience as a coach caught up to him.

For example, how could he think the team would improve by replacing not just one, but two starting OL with rookies--no matter how talented those rookies might be? That move spoke volumes about his inexperience as a HC, and his lack of understanding of the offensive side of the ball.

I am encouraged by the changes on the coaching staff. Now if we could just see them get to work.

BTW, how smart is Harbaugh to not only get a playbook to Smith, but "other teaching materials" as well for Smith to use at Camp Alex. Shows some ability to plan ahead, doesn't it?

If Sing would STFU and let the OC do his thing (Martz) 9ers would be playoff bound the last 2 years. When interviewing OC's...if Sing said (do whatever the eff you want) we'd probably have Linehan and be playoff bound.

Sing's stubbornness ruined him. I think he's a good motivator and it shows on the field....the team played hard. But, the O was pathetic and the D was putrid.

The thing about Martz is that he gets qbs killed and his offenses historically turn the ball over at a prodigious rate. Linehan might have been a better fit, but then we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs with the absolute piss poor play we have gotten from the offensive line. I sure hope they play better this year because your offense is only as good as your pass protection allows it to be.

Excellent point. I'd go so far as to say your offense is only as good as your offensive line allows it to be.

I look for improvement this year because Iupati and Davis have a year's experience. Throwing them both in there at the same time as rookies last year was a mistake, IMHO.

Chilo is a big problem that needs to be fixed.

It may have been a mistake in hindsight, but now that both of them have a full year under their belt, it will be a blessing for this season and seasons to come. It was more of a long-term approach (which was surprising considering Sing was on the hot seat).
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