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You guys who think Vernon Davis or Crabtree have some obligation to be at an offseason Alex Smith-ran throwing session are grabbing at straws. The owners locked the players out. They are not getting paid, they do not have insurance. They have no reason to be there other than to satisfy the fans and media. None of our players know the offense, so practicing together is not going to be very productive is it?
Also, I would like all of you who point to Alex Smith's QB "rating" when throwing to VD actually take a look at what QB rating is supposed to represent. Isolating 1 player and finding an efficiency rating is telling you absolutely nothing. You will find that there are many crappy QB's out their with a good rating if you isolate the passes thrown to their back or tight end.
Umm wouldn't a "single player efficiency rating" tell you how effective a QB is when throwing to that player... by definition. It also tells you allot. Great coaches are statistical geniuses when it comes to football. A statistical rating that points to the receiver a QB has the greatest success throwing to is taken into account by every coaching staff. They will even break it down more and find out which receiver the QB is succesful with based on down & distance.
And unless Crabs is running hills with Rice and we for some crazy reason haven't heard about it... there is no excuse for him to be in the bay and not make an appearance at these practices. He doesn't have to be at all of them, but he has been to NONE of them.
Actually he does have an excuse to not be there. His employer is locking him out. Not paying him and not paying his insurance
But but but that shouldn't matter. He should be out there catching balls from Alex to appease the fans and the media. I mean, if he gets injured at least he'll know that he gave it is all and people on a messageboard respect him.
This whole thing is stupid. Get mad when a player doesn't show up to a mandated practice with ACTUAL COACHES!
You and Alex seem to agree on this. He wondered to reporters how much the big practices were for PR. He saw no reason to get everyone together until they understood the playbook better. The offense is ahead of the D because they have the playbook. That being said, smart QBs and WRs try to build rapport whenever they can; and the mistrust between Smith and Crabtree has to be reduced if they are to be an effective combination.
Effectiveness has a lot more to do with coaching then it does trust. These players are not getting much done without there coaches except staying in shape. T.O. never had good chemistry with his QBs and he always produced. New team new offense didnt matter.
TO never had good friendships with QB's (maybe like 6 months with McNabb) but he understood that he needed the chemistry. TO is actually a pretty good example, he is a loner and never really bought into the team concept. But no one ever questioned his dedication to the game and he put in the time to get the chemistry with his QB regardless of their relationship. He hates not getting the ball cause he feels that he puts in the most work, has the most talent and deserves the ball all the time, when he doesn't get it he lets the QB know. That attitude is what makes receivers successful. TO doesn't always go about it in the right way and takes it upon himself to start calling out people, which is where he has derailed his career.
Not one coach has ever questioned Crabtrees work ethic either. He obviously is not satisfied with Alex as his QB, and with these being completely voluntary workouts I think he has every right to choose to work out on his own. Lets not forget the guy still has put up better numbers in his first two seasons than Vernon Davis did and he has only played under Singletary so far.
No coach will ever question one of his players to the media, let alone in the locker room. NFL coaches get paid sh*t compared to their "stars", they learn the psychological game of getting the captains to step up and talk to their teamates. However the fact that Singletary sided with Davis in the Davis vs. Crabtree fiasco (whatever it was about) tells you where the coach really stands.
And lets get serious, you can't compare a tight-ends first two seasons of production to a wide-receivers. Hopefully the WR should always win in this comparison, otherwise the team has a big problem. If a teams leading receiver is a tight-end or even a running back... that team has receiver problems, just like the niners do. Not to mention that VD had to stay in and block all the time on passing plays because our O-line was the worst in the league.
First of all, college coaches make a lot more than their players and their own bosses, and his work ethic has been praised at each level he has played. NFL coaches will indirectly question players work ethics, they do it all the time. Especially ones like Singletary.
You don't draft a tight-end in the top 10 to be anything other than your primary pass catcher. Based on that there should be no problem comparing the first 2 seasons of their careers
A) I should of clarified, I mean good coaches so that excludes Singletary. College coaches control a players scholarship or "meal ticket", so players are forced to listen to their coaches. Where are all those coaches that made memorable soundbites like Singletary, Mora or Green? You don't see Belichick or Reid ranting or pulling their pants down at halftime. Coaches in the NFL have to earn the respect of their players, and basically play psychological warfare with them without making them lose face amongst their teamates. Coaches can't outright question players who make triple their salary, the only ones who can throw that weight around are GM coaches like Reid in philly. For example when Shanahan told Haynesworth he was gonna switch roles, the response "umm I just signed a $100m contract so you can go F yourself."
B) "You don't draft a tight-end in the top 10 to be anything other than your primary pass catcher" Really, I didn't know you were in the room when he was drafted. So what happens when you draft a WR in the top ten too? He was drafted to be a TE not a WR. Please show me the offensive scheme where your TE is your main receiver, and Ill show you an offensive coordinator who is about to get fired.
[ Edited by 5280High on Jun 2, 2011 at 14:33:15 ]