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crabtree is going to be our best wr
regardless if he works out with the team or not
dude held out till November and was still the leading WR. 2nd only to vernon overall on the team
last year he had career lows of receptions in games and had to deal with a changing cast of qbs, offensive coordinators and still was the leading WR and 2nd only to vernon overall on the team.
Wouldnt be surprised if crabtree shows up when Kapernick is the one throwing the ball.
He was the most targeted receiver by a large margin and yet came in at #2, and barely beat out Morgan for that spot.
I was talking yards not catches btw.
VD - Targetted 93 times, made 56 catches for 914 yards
Crabs - Targetted 101 times, made 55 catches for 741 yards
Morgan - Targetted 80 times, made 44 catches for 698 yards.
But yeah, when your 1st rounder can barely contribute more than your 6th rounder... he just flat out needs to get better.
We just flat out need to bring in some FA competition. Crabtree and Morgan are not keeping DCs up at night.
Exactly. They have 2 slow wr's with 0 athleticism. Not to mention Ginn who is fast but can't catch and scared to run routes. Long term effects of run 1st/play good defense built team. Having no speed at WR and CB are major problems.
To make matters worse at least 5/6 wr's were drafted later than Crabtree are simply outplaying him. He needs to step it up.
Nicks and Maclin are the only ones that are realy playin better and most of what Maclin has done was due to a great offense. Crabtree doesnt have the heart to become a great WR or the skill set.
What does a wide receiver need to become effective? And by the way I dont agree that Crabtree lacks either heart or the skill set. And other than 49er fans who havent got over their pique at his holdout there is little evidence, in view of the state of the team last year, to support this. With a line playing well together, which I am hoping for, and a qb handling the game rather better, which I am praying for, and a coaching staff coaching and playcalling significantly better, which I confidently expect, it will be interesting to see what he can do. Players rarely put it together at college and achieve the reputation he did, if they have no heart. I think he lacked coaching, support and the development every young player needs. Lets see how this year goes before we write him off.
I stand by what I said. He will NEVER be great. That doesnt mean he cant be good. Do you think he could ever be a top-5 WR?(not of all time jus right now)
How the hell do you know?
Never is a bit of a strong statement... but I don't think he will ever be a top 5 wr while on the Niners. He is the exact same caliber of WR he was as a rookie, he hasn't progressed at all. We had a great rookie... now we have an average #1 WR at best.
He seems like the type of player that hears all the criticism and takes it personally... rather than trying to prove his doubters wrong. The only way he becomes great is when he either mans the F up and puts in the effort or Jerry Jones makes another ridiculous Roy Williams type deal and puts him back in Dallas where he wants to be.
Players that want to be great refuse to settle when they've made a mistake... remember the first nutcracker drill when a player got the better of VD and he refused to go to the back of the line till he got another shot at that player to redeem himself. Crabtree has the talent, but he doesn't display that type of intensity or passion. IMO he is Fitzgerald if Fitz was just complacent and never strived to get better after college.
How can he progress when he missed time his rookie season due to holding out. He had the following QB's throwing him balls... Alex Smith, Troy Smith and Shaun Hill. He played in a run first offense.
Say what you want, given the circumstances he's played pretty well...look at his stats.
Also, I'd like to see what he can do in a good system and a competent receiver throwing him balls. Not every elite receiver in the league is a "yes" man "work hard" "leader" type guy. I mean, he's a receiver...he's a diva....don't try to apply FB traits to a receiver.
As far as him not being top 5. I don't think he will be with Alex as his QB.
if you go through every team in the NFL jus about everyone has a better number one. i dont think it will matter who the QB is he is not that good. TJ husmanzada 2.0
And the 9ers have arguably the worst starting QB in the league, WTF is your point? Fitzgerald's stats dropped quite a bit last year. Megatron's stats dropped quite a bit in his 2nd year as well. Did they just suck those years or were their QB's inept? You can be a great receiver, but if your QB doesn't get you the ball you will be ineffective.
Why is it so difficult for people to understand that a receiver requires solid QB play to be effective?
Andre Johnson was puting up numbers with David Carr and then Sage Rosenfels as his QB. Jerry had good games with back ups like Bono and Grbac filling in when Young and Montana got injured. Sometimes great recievers just get open and get the ball no matter who is covering them. Crabtree doesnt seem like that.
One thing you failed to mention is that Houston and the 49ers had systems in place that were offensive minded. Crabtree has had neanderthal coaching by Sullivan and Singletary since he has been here. Lets not forget Sully had failed to produce a number one receiver for this team in his whole tenure here and Nolan and Singletary knew nothing about offense. Crabtree has to take some of the blame because of his lack of work ethic but he is full of talent. I can only imagine what he could accomplish if Rice could mentor Crabtree and show him how to work hard in this league much like Roger Craig help Jerry learn. He has to want to be great and Im not sure if that passion for the game is there.
That's my problem with him. I know he has talent, I really wanted us to pick him in 2009. But he hasnt shown the work to go with it and let that talent shine. He still has good size, shiftiness, and really long arms. If he worked like Rice did he could be a number one option for sure. But IIRC he even shied away from Jerry because Jerry was a little bit critical of him.
The way I see it and you might agree is Crabtree's downfall has been: 1) Bad work ethic/no passion 2) bad offensive system/coaching 3) Lack of talent at QB 4) Crabtree's lack of talent. In that order. A competitor would have taken Jerry's comments and used that as fuel to prove him wrong not shy away from the guy.
Please explain to me how he has bad work ethic? Please provide proof...not stupid speculation.
Being injured during a preseason all of a sudden means you have no work ethic. Hillarious.
Lets be real, people are angry cuz of the hold out and for whatever reason can't let it go.
so are you happy with his play up to this point?
Dude, I asked you to provide proof on his lack of work ethic. He played very well in his rookie season. This year he regressed a bit, but so did every player on this team including Willis and Vernon so I don't get what all the hoopla is about.
There's no doubt in my mind in a competent offensive system and a competent QB he'd be a 10TD 1000 yard receiver. No doubt in my mind.
But for whatever reason 9er fans have such ridiculously high expectations for a 2nd year receiver and considerably low expectations for a 6 year QB.
It annoys me how excuses are made for the QB but those excuses aren't extended to the players around him. Why is that?
How about this. He is in SF but hasn't even come by, really?? its not like they are doing anything crazy.A player with work ethic would be there. Esp if you just came off a season full of mental errors. He is supposed o be our #1. He needs to act like it. He has pouted his way through this contract and will be the 1st out the door when its up. Him and Jerry's name should never be spoken together. Jerry woul have been out there organizing the workouts himself. and a fake ass neck injury that was miraculously healed week 1.
Also Vern has proven that he will come into camp in shape, so yes he gets the vet pass. Perfect time for the the expected #1's to be hanging out playing a lil game of catch.