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Round 3, #80, the San Francisco 49ers selects Chris Culliver, CB, South Carolina

Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by DUB9IROCZ:
sammy davis 2.0

so your saying he's going to be Sammy Davis Jr?

lol
I'm honestly not too thrilled about this pick. He's only played what, 7 games at corner? Outside of his marginal kick return ability, he hasn't necessarily accomplished much that warrants a 3rd round pick.

If he had some experience and could make some sort of impact, I could live with it. But I don't even see that.

-9fA
Originally posted by Hopper:
NB at best. Day 2 was a letdown.
???
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
I'm honestly not too thrilled about this pick. He's only played what, 7 games at corner? Outside of his marginal kick return ability, he hasn't necessarily accomplished much that warrants a 3rd round pick.
just a question: who said that he will play corner here? this draft is full of nice CBs, we could easily grab one in the 4th, imo.
but FS dont grow on trees at all, especially not fast ones.
this guy is extremely fast and seems to have rare discipline due to stay where has to stay.

[ Edited by communist on Apr 30, 2011 at 06:52:40 ]
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by Hopper:
NB at best. Day 2 was a letdown.
???
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
I'm honestly not too thrilled about this pick. He's only played what, 7 games at corner? Outside of his marginal kick return ability, he hasn't necessarily accomplished much that warrants a 3rd round pick.
just a question: who said that he will play corner here? this draft is full of nice CBs, we could easily grab one in the 4th, imo.
but FS dont grow on trees at all, especially not fast ones.
this guy is extremely fast and seems to have rare discipline due to stay where has to stay.

That's great that he's got athletic talent and I recognize that. But this just seems like Reggie Smith all over again. We needed a guy who could come in right away and I just don't see that happening with Culliver. Plus, we already drafted a safety who was in over his head in Mays.

-9fA
Culliver has nickel corner written all over him.
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

That's great that he's got athletic talent and I recognize that. But this just seems like Reggie Smith all over again. We needed a guy who could come in right away and I just don't see that happening with Culliver. Plus, we already drafted a safety who was in over his head in Mays.

-9fA
move in right away...you can be happy when a 1st-rounder can start from day one.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Culliver sucks as a third rounder. I've followed this kid since he was playing high school ball in North Carolina, and he's never lived up to the hype. He certainly has track speed, but he's never done anything with it. On top of that, he has a questionable attitude for sure.

Big reach for a very average player with below average character.

Well then you must be right, and the people at cbssports, S.I., our scouting dept., the people that picked him as an All-SEC, the people who thought enough to include him as a Preseason All-American must all be wrong. Thanks for clarifiying that.

Just got off the phone with my best friend, who's a huge South Carolina fan, and even he was laughing at this pick.

Well, then. Let's fire Baalke. You and your best friend can take over. Cause the 49ers apparently don't know what they're doing.

I dont mean to be a cynical dick, but when in the last 8 years have the 49ers shown that they have any idea of what they're doing?

Willis, Davis, Iupotti, Gore, Harbaugh, J. Smith, T. Spikes, not giving in to outrageous salary demands, trying to get a stadium deal, Giving Jed power since he actually frikkin cares about football... I don't know pick and choose.

Bottom line is keyboard warriors aren't football experts, you may have played and coached before... but get real, if you were the sh*t you'd be in a scouting department.

Delmas, Chung, Mitchell just to name a couple DB's who were considered "reaches: by the draftniks at the time yet have since become established starters.

The Draft is a cross section between College productivity, Players Athleticism and the Coaches ability on the teams that drafts that player to maximize potential. Keep in mind its a business... do you really believe a league team is basing their future off of scout.com or any other news related scouting services? Not a chance! Every team has their own crew and every crew thinks something different about a player... we only hear the opinions of the people that got fired from their scouting departments lol.

Do you honestly think the Patriots or Ravens have a crystal ball and know who is gonna be successful? Nope, its called identifying a player that fits your system and coaching him up.
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

That's great that he's got athletic talent and I recognize that. But this just seems like Reggie Smith all over again. We needed a guy who could come in right away and I just don't see that happening with Culliver. Plus, we already drafted a safety who was in over his head in Mays.

-9fA
move in right away...you can be happy when a 1st-rounder can start from day one.

Agreed. I don't know what world these people live in where they think skilled positions drafted outside of round 1 should be starters on day 1. Outside of positions like running back, most players taken in and outside of the 1st round take a bit to train and are not ready to start.
Bill Parcels has Culliver as a third round pick along with curtis brown and shareece wright. I'd go with his evaluation over most other experts. When I saw that it made me feel a lot better about the pick. By the way, he also rated Aldon Smith as the second best rush olb behind miller.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

That's great that he's got athletic talent and I recognize that. But this just seems like Reggie Smith all over again. We needed a guy who could come in right away and I just don't see that happening with Culliver. Plus, we already drafted a safety who was in over his head in Mays.

-9fA
move in right away...you can be happy when a 1st-rounder can start from day one.

Agreed. I don't know what world these people live in where they think skilled positions drafted outside of round 1 should be starters on day 1. Outside of positions like running back, most players taken in and outside of the 1st round take a bit to train and are not ready to start.

Or the rookies that do play outside of rounds 1-2 have been identified as doing a certain limited things well, and the teams that draft them only to ask them to stick to their talent initially when they get on the field.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

That's great that he's got athletic talent and I recognize that. But this just seems like Reggie Smith all over again. We needed a guy who could come in right away and I just don't see that happening with Culliver. Plus, we already drafted a safety who was in over his head in Mays.

-9fA
move in right away...you can be happy when a 1st-rounder can start from day one.

Agreed. I don't know what world these people live in where they think skilled positions drafted outside of round 1 should be starters on day 1. Outside of positions like running back, most players taken in and outside of the 1st round take a bit to train and are not ready to start.

Or the rookies that do play outside of rounds 1-2 have been identified as doing a certain limited things well, and the teams that draft them only to ask them to stick to their talent initially when they get on the field.

..and this happens every year. We draft so-so guys and then talk ourselves into how they're going to be the next big thing.

Culliver will be nothing more than a special teams guy and a nickel corner at best.

-9fA
we'll see it...i dont think that baalke and fangio drafted him b/c of his special teams ability and his 7 games at CB for playing nickel and returning kicks and punts.

[ Edited by communist on Apr 30, 2011 at 08:29:03 ]
I don't really remember Culliver standing out during the 2 games I watched during the year. Johnny Patrick graded so much higher...only time will tell.
Originally posted by whatawegot:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Culliver has speed and ZERO instinct. He's a terrible reach in the third round. His kickoff numbers are inflated considering he's one of the few people to ever return all four years, but SCAR's return game sucks and lacks any other decent options except for a little midget named Sherman.

Culliver never scored a TD on any returns in four years. Think about that.

He's also a nondescript defensive back with a questionable attitude

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great post from the webzone niner scout. Who needs our scouts

Hey noob, I've been familiar with Culliver since he was a junior playing high school ball in North Carolina, and I'm pretty sure I've seen him play more than anyone here. I would love for him to succeed, but Culliver has been tantalizing people with his "potential" for years now without delivering. Taking him this early in the draft was a joke.
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by whatawegot:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Culliver has speed and ZERO instinct. He's a terrible reach in the third round. His kickoff numbers are inflated considering he's one of the few people to ever return all four years, but SCAR's return game sucks and lacks any other decent options except for a little midget named Sherman.

Culliver never scored a TD on any returns in four years. Think about that.

He's also a nondescript defensive back with a questionable attitude

.

great post from the webzone niner scout. Who needs our scouts

Hey noob, I've been familiar with Culliver since he was a junior playing high school ball in North Carolina, and I'm pretty sure I've seen him play more than anyone here. I would love for him to succeed, but Culliver has been tantalizing people with his "potential" for years now without delivering. Taking him this early in the draft was a joke.

Do you feel that he could be a better CB than S? Safeties generally need good instincts just like linebackers, whereas CBs need measurables and ball skills (like the moment when Nate Clements was stride for stride with Vincent Jackson but couldn't time his jump correctly).

The way Harbaugh has talked about him makes it seem as if his move to CB will give him a chance to capitalize on athletic ability comparable to Peterson's, regardless of his lack of production at safety.

I guess my other question would be about how good he was at covering receivers when he had to.

Players like Ulracher could play safety and be dominant and have that translate to linebacker especially because of instincts.

When I think of college players who went from safety to corner, I think of Nnamdi and Reggie Smith. Part of Smith's problem when he was drafted was his lack of speed, and we all know now that the experiment with putting him at CB failed. Culliver has the measurables, and I just know that Baalke is just going based on potential with picks like Anthony Davis, Smith, etc.