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Round 3, #80, the San Francisco 49ers selects Chris Culliver, CB, South Carolina

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Culliver has speed and ZERO instinct. He's a terrible reach in the third round. His kickoff numbers are inflated considering he's one of the few people to ever return all four years, but SCAR's return game sucks and lacks any other decent options except for a little midget named Sherman.

Culliver never scored a TD on any returns in four years. Think about that.

He's also a nondescript defensive back with a questionable attitude.

If he flames out, we promise to give you full credit.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Culliver has speed and ZERO instinct. He's a terrible reach in the third round. His kickoff numbers are inflated considering he's one of the few people to ever return all four years, but SCAR's return game sucks and lacks any other decent options except for a little midget named Sherman.

Culliver never scored a TD on any returns in four years. Think about that.

He's also a nondescript defensive back with a questionable attitude.

If he flames out, we promise to give you full credit.

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Culliver has speed and ZERO instinct. He's a terrible reach in the third round. His kickoff numbers are inflated considering he's one of the few people to ever return all four years, but SCAR's return game sucks and lacks any other decent options except for a little midget named Sherman.

Culliver never scored a TD on any returns in four years. Think about that.

He's also a nondescript defensive back with a questionable attitude

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great post from the webzone niner scout. Who needs our scouts

[ Edited by whatawegot on Apr 29, 2011 at 22:24:06 ]
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Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Culliver sucks as a third rounder. I've followed this kid since he was playing high school ball in North Carolina, and he's never lived up to the hype. He certainly has track speed, but he's never done anything with it. On top of that, he has a questionable attitude for sure.

Big reach for a very average player with below average character.

You must not have been following him very closely:

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Culliver is the Gamecocks' all-time leader in kickoff returns (94) and kickoff return yards (2,215)... the 2,215 yards ranks fifth all-time in the SEC.

To be 5th all-time in the SEC in ANY category is pretty impressive, especially if you consider the athletes/playmakers that the conference produces year after year. He was a WR/KR his freshman year, a safety his soph/junior years and a CB his senior year. That's a lot of moving around he's doing, which makes for some inconsistency in his production (I would think). Still, he crushed it in terms of the one thing he did consistently...kick off returns.

If by "crushing it" you mean "never scored on a return of any kind", then I agree. He piled up a bunch of yardage on returns because that's all he consistently did for four years. He never did it spectacularly; he was just their best option while he was there. SCAR's return teams have sucked for a while now. He's all speed and ZERO instinct, which is why he never housed a single return in 94 tries. Seriously, that's pathetic.

I've watched the dude since he was in high school. He's a garbage pick in the third round. Sixth round, OK. Third round is a joke.

Let's wait and watch how Harbaugh plans on using him. He must have seen something in him, which you may not have. Let's remember, Harbaugh recruited a bunch of a players who weren't the highest priority of many elite programs and took that team to Pac-10 championship.
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Culliver sucks as a third rounder. I've followed this kid since he was playing high school ball in North Carolina, and he's never lived up to the hype. He certainly has track speed, but he's never done anything with it. On top of that, he has a questionable attitude for sure.

Big reach for a very average player with below average character.

You must not have been following him very closely:

Quote:
Culliver is the Gamecocks' all-time leader in kickoff returns (94) and kickoff return yards (2,215)... the 2,215 yards ranks fifth all-time in the SEC.

To be 5th all-time in the SEC in ANY category is pretty impressive, especially if you consider the athletes/playmakers that the conference produces year after year. He was a WR/KR his freshman year, a safety his soph/junior years and a CB his senior year. That's a lot of moving around he's doing, which makes for some inconsistency in his production (I would think). Still, he crushed it in terms of the one thing he did consistently...kick off returns.

If by "crushing it" you mean "never scored on a return of any kind", then I agree. He piled up a bunch of yardage on returns because that's all he consistently did for four years. He never did it spectacularly; he was just their best option while he was there. SCAR's return teams have sucked for a while now. He's all speed and ZERO instinct, which is why he never housed a single return in 94 tries. Seriously, that's pathetic.

I've watched the dude since he was in high school. He's a garbage pick in the third round. Sixth round, OK. Third round is a joke.

You make some good points. The only counter is, obviously a bunch of people who do this for a living have a difference of opinion than you do on this kid. I'd love to believe you over them, but I'm not going to.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Ugh we should've traded back some more. We could've got this guy in the 4th. Baalke is a dumbass.

Baalke isn't running the draft by himself. Remember all defensive coaches are in that war room and have had input. So it's not just Baalke you're calling a dumbass, it's also Vic Fangio and Ed Donnatel. There's no way you can separate the two unless you're sure the entire defensive staff wanted someone else and Baalke insisted on this one person, it's not all on him.

Excellent point.....plus, with the lockout, all of these coaches have been watching a ton of film on all of these prospects. They must have been pretty comfortable taking this guy.

Sounds like a better FS prospect (third round probably fits with his size and speed). We all know, however, that it takes some real knowledge of the game to play safety.
Originally posted by 49erWill:

Jeebus! He's huge for 199 lbs.
I love this pick. Slightly over 6 feet. Around 200 lbs. 4.37 40. Those are fantastic measurables. He's a great athlete and a good player with upside. He is a little raw but with the right coaching we could have something here. Forget the haters. I believe this guy will be good. I have no problem with him where we got him.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I love this pick. Slightly over 6 feet. Around 200 lbs. 4.37 40. Those are fantastic measurables. He's a great athlete and a good player with upside. He is a little raw but with the right coaching we could have something here. Forget the haters. I believe this guy will be good. I have no problem with him where we got him.

Hell yeah. It's Greg Jackson and Vic Fangio's just to get his guy polished off. He has the physical ability to be a nice player. They just have to do their jobs and coach this kid up.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I love this pick. Slightly over 6 feet. Around 200 lbs. 4.37 40. Those are fantastic measurables. He's a great athlete and a good player with upside. He is a little raw but with the right coaching we could have something here. Forget the haters. I believe this guy will be good. I have no problem with him where we got him.

What is up with you today!
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by 49erWill:

Jeebus! He's huge for 199 lbs.

He's built like a brick s**t house. No homo.

[ Edited by AXEGRINDER on Apr 29, 2011 at 23:15:13 ]
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I remember Culliver holding a lot!
Originally posted by teeohh:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I love this pick. Slightly over 6 feet. Around 200 lbs. 4.37 40. Those are fantastic measurables. He's a great athlete and a good player with upside. He is a little raw but with the right coaching we could have something here. Forget the haters. I believe this guy will be good. I have no problem with him where we got him.

What is up with you today!

I like the pick and think he has huge upside and tons of athletic ability.
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by genus49:
I think that's a bit high I would've preferred any of Davon House, Curtis Brown, Johnny Patrick or Chimdi Chekwa over Culliver.

Hopefully this is one of those guys that surprises.

At least it's a position of need.

agreed. just better talent on the board.

I agree. It's a bad pick IMO. We got a 3rd round kick returner.

genus49: Those corners you listed were the exact ones on my radar.

Davon House: Career 11 ints, 36 passes defended
(WAC)
(fair number of good corners have come from small schools - tramon williams (on my sleeper list years ago), rodgers cromartie, grimes, eric wright, kyle wilson)

Johnny Patrick: Career 9 ints, 22 passes defended
(Big East)

Chimdi Chekwa: Career 6 ints, 29 passes defended
(Big-10)

Curtis Brown: Career 2 ints, 32 passes defended
(Big-12)

I would even have taken Richard Sherman (although projected much lower)
Richard Sherman: Career 4 ints, 9 passes defended
(Pac-10)
(1 yr after conversion from WR)

I wish I had more detailed statistics on CB's, but # career pass breakups is a very good indicator... just look at Darrelle Revis, Tramon Williams, Leon Hall, Brandon Flowers, Aqib Tali, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.. they all had good college numbers on pass break-ups..

Oh wells.... we got a kick returner and an unproven CB project.
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