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Alex Smith the starter next year?

Originally posted by Paul:
we saw what Alex did with Turner at the helm but it ended much too soon, Martz he was benched and wasn't ever really given a chance.. and with McCarthy the whole offense sucked and he was a rookie. So yes I'd say Harbaugh could do more

Averaged 1 TD/Game and 1 INT/Game and QB rate of 74.8 Under Norv. That's not too impressive...

If Smith has so much innate ability and raw talent, then why did Martz bench him?

Why, under McCarthy, did Tim Rattay play much better than Alex if our problem was that the whole O sucked?
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Paul:
we saw what Alex did with Turner at the helm but it ended much too soon, Martz he was benched and wasn't ever really given a chance.. and with McCarthy the whole offense sucked and he was a rookie. So yes I'd say Harbaugh could do more

Averaged 1 TD/Game and 1 INT/Game and QB rate of 74.8 Under Norv. That's not too impressive...

If Smith has so much innate ability and raw talent, then why did Martz bench him?

Why, under McCarthy, did Tim Rattay play much better than Alex if our problem was that the whole O sucked?

i think tim rattay started cause they wanted alex to sit and learn teh offense a little better (like meyer suggested) and when under martz remember he required a second surgury for his shoulder its not like he got tackled and it got reinjured he just needed another surgury to make that arm "fuctional"
Originally posted by Leathaface:
It's hilarious how A Smith apologists will make an exponential amount of excuses for his terrible play but then turn around and hold Troy Smith to this ridiculously high standard when he actually did have legitimate excuses (working with a limited playbook, no minicamp/TC, no experience with our coaching staff or personnel, the list goes on and on).

And for the record, I don't think Troy Smith is starter material.

The only standard I held troy to was play better than Alex...not that hard right?

He failed in my eyes, I dont think he's #2 or #3 QB material, why he was cut from the ravens. I dont want Alex to come back either, dont think its going to do much good for either the 49ers or him BUT thats not to say I'll take anything over Alex.

I think the point where we all differ is at what point do we consider Alex the better option...Personally I'd take Alex to start this season over just about any Rookie available in the draft (I think Alex would make a great mentor and will probably be a coach some day...those that cant do, teach, so they say.) and I'd personally take Alex cheap over Kolb, Palmer, Johnson, Flynn etc DEPENDING on what it'd cost to get one of them...if they come cheap then yea just about any of the QB's listed are clearly better options than Alex, but at the expense of say a First round pick...I dont know, i'd rather hold up and see next years QB class/Coach up a QB picked in this draft than lose a high pick
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by dmax:
i want to see what a "real coach" can do with alex...not "nowin and dingleberry"

While they only stayed 1 and done, McCarthy, Turner and Martz aren't slouches either. In fact they have proved more than Harbaugh at this point. If Alex did not pick up any tips from them, I don't think he ever will.

Good points.

Are people on here really thinking that Harbough is >>>> than Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, or Mike Martz?


I don't really want to see Smith back in 2011, but . .

In 2005 under McCarthy, Smith was a deer in the headlights rookie while trying to learn how to play QB from under center.

In 2006 under Turner he showed tangible improvement and played every snap of every down . . . it was looking promising.

In 2008 under Martz I don't think his shoulder was ever 100%. Martz went with JTO and Smith re-broke his shoulder in practice with no contact in early September and got put on IR again . . . so Martz really had little impact.

FWIW
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Paul:
we saw what Alex did with Turner at the helm but it ended much too soon, Martz he was benched and wasn't ever really given a chance.. and with McCarthy the whole offense sucked and he was a rookie. So yes I'd say Harbaugh could do more

Averaged 1 TD/Game and 1 INT/Game and QB rate of 74.8 Under Norv. That's not too impressive...

If Smith has so much innate ability and raw talent, then why did Martz bench him?

Why, under McCarthy, did Tim Rattay play much better than Alex if our problem was that the whole O sucked?

i think tim rattay started cause they wanted alex to sit and learn teh offense a little better (like meyer suggested) and when under martz remember he required a second surgury for his shoulder its not like he got tackled and it got reinjured he just needed another surgury to make that arm "fuctional"

I'm just going off what the other guy posted. He said Alex was benched and the whole O sucked under McCarthy.

Tim Rattay under McCarthy played in 4 games and scored 5 TD's. Ken Dorsey 3 games and 2 TDs. Alex Smith 9 games and only 1 TD.
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Paul:
we saw what Alex did with Turner at the helm but it ended much too soon, Martz he was benched and wasn't ever really given a chance.. and with McCarthy the whole offense sucked and he was a rookie. So yes I'd say Harbaugh could do more

Averaged 1 TD/Game and 1 INT/Game and QB rate of 74.8 Under Norv. That's not too impressive...

If Smith has so much innate ability and raw talent, then why did Martz bench him?

Why, under McCarthy, did Tim Rattay play much better than Alex if our problem was that the whole O sucked?

i think tim rattay started cause they wanted alex to sit and learn teh offense a little better (like meyer suggested) and when under martz remember he required a second surgury for his shoulder its not like he got tackled and it got reinjured he just needed another surgury to make that arm "fuctional"

I'm just going off what the other guy posted. He said Alex was benched and the whole O sucked under McCarthy.

Tim Rattay under McCarthy played in 4 games and scored 5 TD's. Ken Dorsey 3 games and 2 TDs. Alex Smith 9 games and only 1 TD.

i agree under his rookie year he sucked but he came from spread offense u usually have to ease him in the role like what denver did to tebow or do what rams did to bradford and institute a spread offense for your team

remember alex wouuldnt be a #1 pick any other year and was considered a project qb he had to be kinda eased in the role especially if your gonna put him under a completely new system
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
Originally posted by excelsior:
The common attitude that I get from most Alex critics is to get rid of him and get someone better. That sounds so simple on the surface. But it bespeaks a failure to appreciate how difficult it is to play QB in the NFL. It is the most difficult position to play and that is why there are so few really good ones.

Consider all of the QBs starting for about 200 major college teams. We have about 80 QBs on 32 NFL rosters. Assuming a 10 year career span, that is only 8 QB rookies going into the NFL each year. Yet, of the 32 teams, there are probably 10 that you would call "elite," the kind a 49er fan demands guide his team in the years to come. On average, that represents only 1 QB coming out of college each year. There may be a few more on rosters that someday will be considered "elite" but history suggests that it isn't many.

Some claim Alex is the worst QB in the NFL, which is a laughable claim. Others, however, complain that he is only average, which he may be, but some teams would love to have just an average QB at the moment.

Some demand that we trade for Kolb, Orton, Palmer, etc. But do not forget that there a at least 10 other teams looking to upgrade their QB and the competition for these guys will be intense and their price will be inflated.

The upshot of this discussion is that I think Harbaugh realizes this as well as any; after all he struggled to be a quality QB himself. He knows that most teams must find a way to win with a QB who is not elite.

Harbaugh probably realizes that Alex is the best available for the moment. It is not certain that Orton, Kolb, Palmer are better than him, and they will cost in valuable draft choices will be excessive, while Alex will not cost them any d/c. So until his critics can point out a truly intelligent alternative path, they should hold their tongues.

Alex Smith has been garbage for his entire career. Anyone is better than him.

Anyone? Really?

This is my only issue with the Alex Smith hate...Some haters, just as some supporters, are so blind that they'd really think ANYTHING is better than alex smith...Case and point: Troy Smith...to me Troy smith was just terrible, far worse than Alex at his worst...yet he has some feverish support just for the fact that he's not alex

David Carr? Nate? just Anyone, really? thats not the answer

Come on now, Troy didn't know enough of the playbook to be fairly evaluated; but even with his limited knowledge, he directed some nice comebacks and had a couple good games.

With as many excuses people make for Alex, I cant understand why they cannot see a simple fact like knowing the playbook helps a QB execute the O.

I think its fair to say that harbaugh is at least a good QB evaluator...HE hasnt coached a down in the NFL but i think its safe to assume he can evaluate...I think theres a very good reason why he's pretty much dissed Carr, and theres been NO word of contact with troy smith though he constantly says he's keeping all options open so to speak....troy is a joke of an NFL QB and only a Alex hater who is happy to see anyone other than #11 at QB would want him as your QB...You can do far worse than Alex is all Im saying

The problem with your logic is that people are asking Jim about Alex. He's not coming out and saying all this stuff just because he thinks Alex can be good. That's where you nut-swingers are blowing things out of proportion... He's saying positive things about Alex because reporters are asking him questions and it doesn't do any good to badmouth a player in the media. Have you heard any reporter ask Jim about Troy?

Now, I have heard the reporters ask about David Carr, and Jim threw out some nice positive things to say there too; but, that's not getting much play around here with the Alex fans...

People are talking about Alex because harbaugh is clearly going out of his way to stay in contact, and work with Alex while he can...If he was doing the same with troy we'd have heard about it

and the last i recall reading

Originally posted by Harbaugh:
"Is the quarterback of the future on this roster?" Baalke said on Jan. 11. "I think it's obvious that he isn't at this point."

Harbaugh's reaction?

"It was factual," he said. "The only quarterback on the roster right now is David Carr. So take that as a factual statement. The quarterback of the future is not on the roster right now. We're talking about multiple guys we need to get on the roster."

http://www.csnbayarea.com/02/08/11/Harbaugh-takes-a-close-look-at-Alex-Smit/landing_maiocco_v3.html?full_args=02/08/11/Harbaugh-takes-a-close-look-at-Alex-Smit/landing_maiocco_v3&blockID=406339&feedID=5936


This is what I'm talking about when they speak of David Carr...They wont even BS the possibility of him being a QB of the future, as if its impossible to coach him up...For what it's worth thats probably the truth but thats generally not the PC coach speak we get when they say they're going to evaluate all talent on the roster

And then we see this
Originally posted by Harbaugh:

"Right now, as you look at it, there's only one quarterback on the roster," Harbaugh said. "We got to look at all possibilities. That's my job—to make the best possible evaluation for the organization."

http://www.csnbayarea.com/02/08/11/Harbaugh-takes-a-close-look-at-Alex-Smit/landing_maiocco_v3.html?blockID=406339&feedID=5936

And I've honestly SEARCHED and looked for anything and theres just nothing showing harbaugh even mentioning Troy, not reaching out at all...it would certainly appear from this that harbaugh doesnt want to even explore the possibility of bringing troy back right?
move on. move on. move f**king on.
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
Kolb, IMO more upside. We pretty much now what Orton can do with a full season.

Alex Smith is better or on par with both Kolb and Orton. Kolb is the same age as Alex and has been groomed by coaches that know how to bring along QB's. Orton is 28 and didn't really get good until he was 27 or 28 playing under a coach who is good with QB's. Smith's numbers over the last 2 years have been on par or better than both Kolb and Orton. I think under Harbaugh he can get better. We also have to look at the fact that Smith was the best redzone QB in the NFL last year.

Mind = blown

Orton's numbers are far better than Alex's. He has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio in the last 2 years and a QB rating 5 or so points higher. He also turned Brandon Lloyd (the guy who people called a bum) into a pro-bowler. Orton is far better than Alex.

Statistically Alex is better. That Dallas game at the end of the year really hurt Kolb's numbers whereas, Alex's game against the Cards really helped his numbers. But statistically, yes, Alex (with 60 games under his belt) had better numbers than Kolb (20 games experience). Thing is, I still think Kolb is better than Alex. He's more accurate, throws a far better deep ball, has better mechanics, footwork and can still be developed. The fact that he threw for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns against Atlanta shows me that there's something there. Then throwing for almost 400 against the SB champions the year before was impressive. Alex has never done this.

Anyways, you can make the argument that Alex is better when you look at their stats. But, if you compare them fairly. If you look at Alex's/Kolb's first 20 games. Who was better? I'd rather roll with Kolb, just wouldn't give up much for him as I don't think he's all that good.

Come on man are you comparing the surrounding cast of Kolb and Alex Smith from their first 20 games? Or even this years cast. Let's be real. Kolb hasn't shown that he is better than Alex Smith. He has had some good games and alot of bad ones. You don't like Alex as much because you see his weaknesses every week whereas Kolb's weaknesses are sitting on the bench. It is the classic backup QB siyndrome.

The reality is that Kolb might be better than Smith, but there is a real possibility that Kolb may be worse. If you can't look fairly at the mitigating factors in Smith's tenure with the 49ers then you aren't being reasonable or fair.

How else am I supposed to compare them? I'm not going to compare a guy with 20 games under his belt with a guy who's played 60. The only fair comparison is where they were their first 20 games. Kolb is far ahead. It doesn't matter how awful Alex's supporting cast was, he was NOT accurate and he still isn't accurate. You really think he'd be connecting on bombs to Deshaun?

Kolb reminds me of Alex if he went to Green Bay. He plays it safe and doesn't take as many chances. However, he's still pretty raw and can be developed. He looked better in College than Alex and I'd much rather give him a shot than Alex. I've seen enough of Alex to know I'm not interested in continuing with him. I've seen enough of Kolb to think he may be a viable option.

I don't believe that you have seen Kolb very much but I do believe that you have seen Alex plenty. Kolb has not shown anything. I watched almost every eagles game this year. It doesn't matter anyway.

And you are wrong about the comparison but I am sick of arguing with people who can't just lay all the chips on the table and call it how it is. I'm not trying to win some argument. All I would like to see is an evaluation that is not coming from an emotional standpoint. Take all the factors in to account fairly, and the only reason you want Kolb is because he is not Alex Smith. that is fine. I totally understand the sentiment, but don't try to prove that Kolb is better by his play. He certainly hasn't shown that at all with a much better situation.

Will you stop crying?

I think Kolb has shown ENOUGH for me to want to take a shot at him. Funny how every analyst is picking the 9ers to go after Kolb...I guess they just dislike Alex too, huh? Ask Philly fans if they'd take Alex over Kolb.

I think Kolb is better....you think Alex is...end of discussion.

I didn't say that I think Alex is better. I wasn't crying. Why bring that up? Does that make you feel better about your piss poor argument?


Will you post links of the analysts that are saying that?

Do you know a ton of philly fans to have the information that you are spewing?


You are just another ignorant fan who likes to rant without facts... sad really.
Originally posted by JustMike:
Troy smith would be a better pick between the smiths. Just look what he did last year when he came in. Did he struggle? I thing anyone would, but he was able to pick up a few wins with us. Alex smith will put up ok numbers but how many games will he win us. His best season we went 5 - 5. I expect better than that from a qb that is "the best qb in the division" as some have indicated.

Amen!!!! You know I like Alex Smith but I have seen nothing from him that would even resemble a good quaterback! It's like these guys are hoping Jim harbaugh can do what even Jesus can't and that's make Alex something he isn't an Elite qb in the NFL!!!
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
Originally posted by excelsior:
The common attitude that I get from most Alex critics is to get rid of him and get someone better. That sounds so simple on the surface. But it bespeaks a failure to appreciate how difficult it is to play QB in the NFL. It is the most difficult position to play and that is why there are so few really good ones.

Consider all of the QBs starting for about 200 major college teams. We have about 80 QBs on 32 NFL rosters. Assuming a 10 year career span, that is only 8 QB rookies going into the NFL each year. Yet, of the 32 teams, there are probably 10 that you would call "elite," the kind a 49er fan demands guide his team in the years to come. On average, that represents only 1 QB coming out of college each year. There may be a few more on rosters that someday will be considered "elite" but history suggests that it isn't many.

Some claim Alex is the worst QB in the NFL, which is a laughable claim. Others, however, complain that he is only average, which he may be, but some teams would love to have just an average QB at the moment.

Some demand that we trade for Kolb, Orton, Palmer, etc. But do not forget that there a at least 10 other teams looking to upgrade their QB and the competition for these guys will be intense and their price will be inflated.

The upshot of this discussion is that I think Harbaugh realizes this as well as any; after all he struggled to be a quality QB himself. He knows that most teams must find a way to win with a QB who is not elite.

Harbaugh probably realizes that Alex is the best available for the moment. It is not certain that Orton, Kolb, Palmer are better than him, and they will cost in valuable draft choices will be excessive, while Alex will not cost them any d/c. So until his critics can point out a truly intelligent alternative path, they should hold their tongues.

Alex Smith has been garbage for his entire career. Anyone is better than him.

Anyone? Really?

This is my only issue with the Alex Smith hate...Some haters, just as some supporters, are so blind that they'd really think ANYTHING is better than alex smith...Case and point: Troy Smith...to me Troy smith was just terrible, far worse than Alex at his worst...yet he has some feverish support just for the fact that he's not alex

David Carr? Nate? just Anyone, really? thats not the answer

Come on now, Troy didn't know enough of the playbook to be fairly evaluated; but even with his limited knowledge, he directed some nice comebacks and had a couple good games.

With as many excuses people make for Alex, I cant understand why they cannot see a simple fact like knowing the playbook helps a QB execute the O.

I think its fair to say that harbaugh is at least a good QB evaluator...HE hasnt coached a down in the NFL but i think its safe to assume he can evaluate...I think theres a very good reason why he's pretty much dissed Carr, and theres been NO word of contact with troy smith though he constantly says he's keeping all options open so to speak....troy is a joke of an NFL QB and only a Alex hater who is happy to see anyone other than #11 at QB would want him as your QB...You can do far worse than Alex is all Im saying

The problem with your logic is that people are asking Jim about Alex. He's not coming out and saying all this stuff just because he thinks Alex can be good. That's where you nut-swingers are blowing things out of proportion... He's saying positive things about Alex because reporters are asking him questions and it doesn't do any good to badmouth a player in the media. Have you heard any reporter ask Jim about Troy?

Now, I have heard the reporters ask about David Carr, and Jim threw out some nice positive things to say there too; but, that's not getting much play around here with the Alex fans...

People are talking about Alex because harbaugh is clearly going out of his way to stay in contact, and work with Alex while he can...If he was doing the same with troy we'd have heard about it

and the last i recall reading

Originally posted by Harbaugh:
"Is the quarterback of the future on this roster?" Baalke said on Jan. 11. "I think it's obvious that he isn't at this point."

Harbaugh's reaction?

"It was factual," he said. "The only quarterback on the roster right now is David Carr. So take that as a factual statement. The quarterback of the future is not on the roster right now. We're talking about multiple guys we need to get on the roster."

http://www.csnbayarea.com/02/08/11/Harbaugh-takes-a-close-look-at-Alex-Smit/landing_maiocco_v3.html?full_args=02/08/11/Harbaugh-takes-a-close-look-at-Alex-Smit/landing_maiocco_v3&blockID=406339&feedID=5936


This is what I'm talking about when they speak of David Carr...They wont even BS the possibility of him being a QB of the future, as if its impossible to coach him up...For what it's worth thats probably the truth but thats generally not the PC coach speak we get when they say they're going to evaluate all talent on the roster

And then we see this
Originally posted by Harbaugh:

"Right now, as you look at it, there's only one quarterback on the roster," Harbaugh said. "We got to look at all possibilities. That's my job—to make the best possible evaluation for the organization."
http://www.csnbayarea.com/02/08/11/Harbaugh-takes-a-close-look-at-Alex-Smit/landing_maiocco_v3.html?blockID=406339&feedID=5936

And I've honestly SEARCHED and looked for anything and theres just nothing showing harbaugh even mentioning Troy, not reaching out at all...it would certainly appear from this that harbaugh doesnt want to even explore the possibility of bringing troy back right?

That's entirely possible. My point is that the only reason we know that Jim has talked or stayed in contact with Alex is that reporters have asked about it. Jim has not volunteered info on this just as he has not volunteered info on Troy or David.

Now if you believe Jim is a man of his word, then you must believe that he has stayed in contact with Troy and David just as well. As you pointed out, Harbaugh said. "We got to look at all possibilities. That's my job—to make the best possible evaluation for the organization."
Originally posted by D_Niner:


That's entirely possible. My point is that the only reason we know that Jim has talked or stayed in contact with Alex is that reporters have asked about it. Jim has not volunteered info on this just as he has not volunteered info on Troy or David.

Now if you believe Jim is a man of his word, then you must believe that he has stayed in contact with Troy and David just as well. As you pointed out, Harbaugh said. "We got to look at all possibilities. That's my job—to make the best possible evaluation for the organization."

You can take it that way and expand it so far that he'd be talking with jamarcus russell, Jeff George, Matt lienart, joe montana (whose shapeups are getting him back in shape) or any QB without a job but in the actual spirit of the statement its him saying he's looking at all realistic possibilities...It would generally seem that he's included Alex in this and not Troy...

And theres more to it than reporters asking...theres public behavior thats been seen with Alex but not with Troy...its possible its only because Alex hangs around in town and troy doesnt...but my money says thats not the reason why
Originally posted by 1swift:
Originally posted by D_Niner:


That's entirely possible. My point is that the only reason we know that Jim has talked or stayed in contact with Alex is that reporters have asked about it. Jim has not volunteered info on this just as he has not volunteered info on Troy or David.

Now if you believe Jim is a man of his word, then you must believe that he has stayed in contact with Troy and David just as well. As you pointed out, Harbaugh said. "We got to look at all possibilities. That's my job—to make the best possible evaluation for the organization."

You can take it that way and expand it so far that he'd be talking with jamarcus russell, Jeff George, Matt lienart, joe montana (whose shapeups are getting him back in shape) or any QB without a job but in the actual spirit of the statement its him saying he's looking at all realistic possibilities...It would generally seem that he's included Alex in this and not Troy...

And theres more to it than reporters asking...theres public behavior thats been seen with Alex but not with Troy...its possible its only because Alex hangs around in town and troy doesnt...but my money says thats not the reason why

I was wrong. Jim was asked about Troy...

When asked specifically about Troy Smith, Jim Harbaugh answered, "Like everybody, I don't want to get into each specific guy. But that's also my job to evaluate the same with everybody."

Link

You see, the media just keeps asking about Alex; but, that doesn't mean he's not looking at others...
[ Edited by D_Niner on Feb 17, 2011 at 3:49 PM ]
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
Kolb, IMO more upside. We pretty much now what Orton can do with a full season.

Alex Smith is better or on par with both Kolb and Orton. Kolb is the same age as Alex and has been groomed by coaches that know how to bring along QB's. Orton is 28 and didn't really get good until he was 27 or 28 playing under a coach who is good with QB's. Smith's numbers over the last 2 years have been on par or better than both Kolb and Orton. I think under Harbaugh he can get better. We also have to look at the fact that Smith was the best redzone QB in the NFL last year.

Mind = blown

Orton's numbers are far better than Alex's. He has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio in the last 2 years and a QB rating 5 or so points higher. He also turned Brandon Lloyd (the guy who people called a bum) into a pro-bowler. Orton is far better than Alex.

Statistically Alex is better. That Dallas game at the end of the year really hurt Kolb's numbers whereas, Alex's game against the Cards really helped his numbers. But statistically, yes, Alex (with 60 games under his belt) had better numbers than Kolb (20 games experience). Thing is, I still think Kolb is better than Alex. He's more accurate, throws a far better deep ball, has better mechanics, footwork and can still be developed. The fact that he threw for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns against Atlanta shows me that there's something there. Then throwing for almost 400 against the SB champions the year before was impressive. Alex has never done this.

Anyways, you can make the argument that Alex is better when you look at their stats. But, if you compare them fairly. If you look at Alex's/Kolb's first 20 games. Who was better? I'd rather roll with Kolb, just wouldn't give up much for him as I don't think he's all that good.

Come on man are you comparing the surrounding cast of Kolb and Alex Smith from their first 20 games? Or even this years cast. Let's be real. Kolb hasn't shown that he is better than Alex Smith. He has had some good games and alot of bad ones. You don't like Alex as much because you see his weaknesses every week whereas Kolb's weaknesses are sitting on the bench. It is the classic backup QB siyndrome.

The reality is that Kolb might be better than Smith, but there is a real possibility that Kolb may be worse. If you can't look fairly at the mitigating factors in Smith's tenure with the 49ers then you aren't being reasonable or fair.

How else am I supposed to compare them? I'm not going to compare a guy with 20 games under his belt with a guy who's played 60. The only fair comparison is where they were their first 20 games. Kolb is far ahead. It doesn't matter how awful Alex's supporting cast was, he was NOT accurate and he still isn't accurate. You really think he'd be connecting on bombs to Deshaun?

Kolb reminds me of Alex if he went to Green Bay. He plays it safe and doesn't take as many chances. However, he's still pretty raw and can be developed. He looked better in College than Alex and I'd much rather give him a shot than Alex. I've seen enough of Alex to know I'm not interested in continuing with him. I've seen enough of Kolb to think he may be a viable option.

I don't believe that you have seen Kolb very much but I do believe that you have seen Alex plenty. Kolb has not shown anything. I watched almost every eagles game this year. It doesn't matter anyway.

And you are wrong about the comparison but I am sick of arguing with people who can't just lay all the chips on the table and call it how it is. I'm not trying to win some argument. All I would like to see is an evaluation that is not coming from an emotional standpoint. Take all the factors in to account fairly, and the only reason you want Kolb is because he is not Alex Smith. that is fine. I totally understand the sentiment, but don't try to prove that Kolb is better by his play. He certainly hasn't shown that at all with a much better situation.

Will you stop crying?

I think Kolb has shown ENOUGH for me to want to take a shot at him. Funny how every analyst is picking the 9ers to go after Kolb...I guess they just dislike Alex too, huh? Ask Philly fans if they'd take Alex over Kolb.

I think Kolb is better....you think Alex is...end of discussion.

I didn't say that I think Alex is better. I wasn't crying. Why bring that up? Does that make you feel better about your piss poor argument?


Will you post links of the analysts that are saying that?

Do you know a ton of philly fans to have the information that you are spewing?


You are just another ignorant fan who likes to rant without facts... sad really.

blah blah blah

It's a fact that Kolb had better numbers in his first 20 games than Alex did in his first 20. You cried and tried to make every excuse in the book as to why Kolb's numbers were better.

Don't talk about facts, then cry when they're presented to you.
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Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by JayBee:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by 49ersNoKaOi:
Kolb, IMO more upside. We pretty much now what Orton can do with a full season.

Alex Smith is better or on par with both Kolb and Orton. Kolb is the same age as Alex and has been groomed by coaches that know how to bring along QB's. Orton is 28 and didn't really get good until he was 27 or 28 playing under a coach who is good with QB's. Smith's numbers over the last 2 years have been on par or better than both Kolb and Orton. I think under Harbaugh he can get better. We also have to look at the fact that Smith was the best redzone QB in the NFL last year.

Mind = blown

Orton's numbers are far better than Alex's. He has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio in the last 2 years and a QB rating 5 or so points higher. He also turned Brandon Lloyd (the guy who people called a bum) into a pro-bowler. Orton is far better than Alex.

Statistically Alex is better. That Dallas game at the end of the year really hurt Kolb's numbers whereas, Alex's game against the Cards really helped his numbers. But statistically, yes, Alex (with 60 games under his belt) had better numbers than Kolb (20 games experience). Thing is, I still think Kolb is better than Alex. He's more accurate, throws a far better deep ball, has better mechanics, footwork and can still be developed. The fact that he threw for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns against Atlanta shows me that there's something there. Then throwing for almost 400 against the SB champions the year before was impressive. Alex has never done this.

Anyways, you can make the argument that Alex is better when you look at their stats. But, if you compare them fairly. If you look at Alex's/Kolb's first 20 games. Who was better? I'd rather roll with Kolb, just wouldn't give up much for him as I don't think he's all that good.

Come on man are you comparing the surrounding cast of Kolb and Alex Smith from their first 20 games? Or even this years cast. Let's be real. Kolb hasn't shown that he is better than Alex Smith. He has had some good games and alot of bad ones. You don't like Alex as much because you see his weaknesses every week whereas Kolb's weaknesses are sitting on the bench. It is the classic backup QB siyndrome.

The reality is that Kolb might be better than Smith, but there is a real possibility that Kolb may be worse. If you can't look fairly at the mitigating factors in Smith's tenure with the 49ers then you aren't being reasonable or fair.

How else am I supposed to compare them? I'm not going to compare a guy with 20 games under his belt with a guy who's played 60. The only fair comparison is where they were their first 20 games. Kolb is far ahead. It doesn't matter how awful Alex's supporting cast was, he was NOT accurate and he still isn't accurate. You really think he'd be connecting on bombs to Deshaun?

Kolb reminds me of Alex if he went to Green Bay. He plays it safe and doesn't take as many chances. However, he's still pretty raw and can be developed. He looked better in College than Alex and I'd much rather give him a shot than Alex. I've seen enough of Alex to know I'm not interested in continuing with him. I've seen enough of Kolb to think he may be a viable option.

I don't believe that you have seen Kolb very much but I do believe that you have seen Alex plenty. Kolb has not shown anything. I watched almost every eagles game this year. It doesn't matter anyway.

And you are wrong about the comparison but I am sick of arguing with people who can't just lay all the chips on the table and call it how it is. I'm not trying to win some argument. All I would like to see is an evaluation that is not coming from an emotional standpoint. Take all the factors in to account fairly, and the only reason you want Kolb is because he is not Alex Smith. that is fine. I totally understand the sentiment, but don't try to prove that Kolb is better by his play. He certainly hasn't shown that at all with a much better situation.

Will you stop crying?

I think Kolb has shown ENOUGH for me to want to take a shot at him. Funny how every analyst is picking the 9ers to go after Kolb...I guess they just dislike Alex too, huh? Ask Philly fans if they'd take Alex over Kolb.

I think Kolb is better....you think Alex is...end of discussion.

I didn't say that I think Alex is better. I wasn't crying. Why bring that up? Does that make you feel better about your piss poor argument?


Will you post links of the analysts that are saying that?

Do you know a ton of philly fans to have the information that you are spewing?


You are just another ignorant fan who likes to rant without facts... sad really.

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It's a fact that Kolb had better numbers in his first 20 games than Alex did in his first 20. You cried and tried to make every excuse in the book as to why Kolb's numbers were better.

Don't talk about facts, then cry when they're presented to you.

Kolb has started 20 games???

Really!!!