Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
All things being equal, I'd love the Niners to stay at that site....but things aren't equal.
Yes, Gavin Newsome suggested the Ex Navy Shipyard, but you neglect to mention the fact that there is ZERO freeway access to that site and traffic would be MUCH worse as the site is surrounded by water on 3 sides. It would actually require infrastrucure (roads, bridges) that would cost as much as the stadium to make the site viable.
That infrastructure will be done with or without the stadium. People can parrot that that is a problem as much as they want but it's happening. The bridge over Yosemite Slough is coming soon, again stadium or no stadium, and there is going to be all kinds of new roads, as well as mass public transportation going to and from the Lennar site either way.
P.S. As much as people like to say otherwise, the Santa Clara site has no direct freeway access either. The people that live in SC by the site all know this but as long as big money tells everyone that there will be 14 freeways and 8 forms of mass transit funneling right into the stadium I guess people will believe it.
Jeez...LOL. You are correct, the freeways don't dump directly onto the 50 yard line. Thay are a full MILE away from the stadium site.
LOL!!
I understand where it's at. I used to be able to walk to Great America from my townhouse. The Hunters Point site has 101 and 280 just a MILE AND A HALF away. If a mile is no big deal according to you (and you're right), neither is a mile and a half.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
The stadium would be located in what is referred to as the "Golden Triangle" between three freeways (101, 880, and 237). 2 minutes down Tasman is "Cisco City"...about 50 Cisco buildings. The whole area is BUILT to accomodate volume traffic.
Thats why light rail runs up and down Tasman Dr.
Again, I used to live there. I know how it all works. And what's funny is it already has a problem with volume traffic on a regular old Saturday in the summer time, without an NFL game.
Yeah, with what, 2 lane roads leading up through Hunter Point?
If you are lucky enough to be in the paved lot, its pretty easy to get out. The exit to 101 is about the same distance.
However, ALOT of peeps end up in the dirt lot and are directed the other way and take several hours to get out.
No, not 2 lane roads. Have you reviewed the plans at all or seen the funding that's already been approved and the fact that the bridge construction is no far away?
The current lots would be irrelevant. Candlestick has nothing to do with it. Only that it wont be there any more and the new infrastructure allowed by the fact that there will be no stadium will only make it easier for people that need to get to 101 to get out of there. Which will be just one of many routes in the new plan.
Given the history of this thing in SF, I'll believe that when I see it.
I've actually looked at the plans in SF and from the perspective of what it would look like and the overall space available (at the shipyard, not the current site of the 'stick) I wouldn't at all mind seeing the stadium there.
I said before that if something workable could be done there, I'd be in favor of it.
Given the current economy and SFs past willingness to do much of ANYTHING, I am seriously doubtful of this taking place and of the city shelling out ANYTHING to help this thing go.
If they prove me wrong, hey, thats great....build the thing, but the city has been nothing but a roadblock for 20 years. The Yorks get all the heat, but the city is just as much to blame as anyone for the 49ers focus change to SC.
EDIT: Attaching the current SF Plans. Very nice to look at, but I don't see much access and I see ALOT of stuff that has to happen before ground can be broken. As I've said before, if there is a VIABLE plan in SF, I'd be in favor. As yet, I'm not convinced its viable.
Very nice to look at tho. ;-)
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[ Edited by Marvin49 on Jan 13, 2011 at 1:22 PM ]