Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by Leathaface:See, that is the problem when ALL one does is look at the stats.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by Leathaface:Quit putting words in my mouth. I'm not hating on Davis.Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by Kolohe:Davis gets separation on one route; a seam route when he has only a LB to beat underneath and a safety coming from the side. He wins that one most of the time. As to the typical curl and slant routes and blitz adjustments...not so well. The fact he has been the most productive receiver is more of a criticism of the weak crew of wide outs than his own prowess. That is his history. As to how he does in the future, I trust Harbaugh's staff will do a much better job than Pete Hoener.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by Kolohe:A contender in the NFC West, but not much beyond that.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by TheCatch:But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...
We REALLY need a QB.
Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
C'mon dj we have more than enough talent on this offense to be a contender.
No one would like to see this team win more than me but it appears some folks have some very inflated views of the talent on this team. The only decent players on offense are Gore, who is coming off a serious injury and has a lot of miles, and Vernon Davis, who is a big strong blocker with speed but who still doesn't know how to read a defense or run good routes.
The offensive line is filled with a bunch of underachievers who have shown nothing close to expectations, Iupati excepted, and the most important position, QB, is vacant at this time. We are all hoping that Harbaugh will turn a bunch of these guys into Pro Bowlers but that is not likely to happen. Things should definitely get better but I don't see any way this current roster is competitive outside the NFCW this season. I honestly think 7 wins this year will be the upper limit...and that assumes someone other than a rookie is playing QB. If it is a rookie then 6 wins is a dream season.
We are a contender now in the NFC West, if our QB's hadn't choked on more than half of the games this year we most likely would've won the division. And wow your criticism of Vernon Davis couldn't be more off, hes probably the best blocking TE in the league who was underutilized last year. Davis gets much separation on his routes, there's a reason he has been our best receiver the last two years. But like you said, the QB is the most important position and our offense goes as our QB does.
Since when is Davis asked to run a curl??? And I don't know why you question his slant routes, he does it with ease. But if you've been paying attention to VD this season or last, his main job was to create mismatches with his speed and find the soft spot in the zones. You're mistaking him as just a plain receiver, he doesn't fight off CB's at the LOS, hes a mismatch to LB and Safeties.
Yea dj43s hating on Davis is just another way of creating excuses for Alex Smith. Truth hurts.
Vernon Davis is still a work in progress. The coaching he has received is no more complete than what Alex Smith received. It is no wonder Harbaugh didn't retain Hoener. He never finished the job with Davis. VD has some special abilities but the main job of a TE in the passing game is the one part he still lacks in the most. It doesn't matter than he can do some WR things if he doesn't do what any good QB needs to have from his TE.
As to his slant routes; there have been multiple times when the ball sailed past his helmet before he even looked back on slants. There were multiple times when he allowed the LB to come underneath him on routes which killed the timing of the play.
But yes, the lack of quality on the part of the 49er receivers is just another reason this team has been so bad the past 8 years.
It sounds to me like your hate for Smith has blinded you to other significant problems with the offense.
. The guy has nearly 2000 yards and over 20 TDs in two years. His receiving is not the problem. But go on, believe what you want. I don't post in these threads often anymore b/c geniuses like you are crawling in them...I can never win an argument vs such intelligence.
I have watched the guy since he came out. I have heard multiple announcers, including Gary Plummer, point out the flaws in Davis' game as they pertain to the nuts-and-bolts routes and reads that I have mentioned. If you want to win the argument, go have it with Gary Plummer. He was a LB that had to deal with TEs and the short zones. He should know what he is talking about when he points out some of the things he has...and that I have passed on here.
Nice chat, y'all. It's been a very long day. 'nite.
Are you serious? Vernon Davis is the most complete TE in the NFL. I can only imagine how much better his stats would be if he had someone like Rodgers as his qb and a creative offense like Harbaugh's. Gary Plummer could never in his wildest dreams cover a TE like Vernon. Easy to pick out flaws in a guy you never played against. Vernon's hands have improved ten fold since he was drafted. His route running is excellent. The way he shed's blocks and can run any pattern in the route tree is unheard of for a man his size. The td catch called back against the rams this season showed me everything i need to know about how far Vernon has come. We are truly lucky as fans to have such an athlete. Not to mention a great guy. Great with the community, great with the media, and a great clubhouse leader.
BTW how many TE's in this league CAN run a seam route and Fly the way Vernon Davis can.