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Turned down by a cheating scrub like McDaniels...enough said.

These are very dark times in the Bay.
Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
This is all Jed York's fault.

For:

(1) Hiring a GM that people are leary of. He should have picked Lombardi.

(2) Asking Harbaugh if he would be OK with Baalke. Who's the owner??

(3) Making idiotic statements like: "Money is no object", "The GM will find the coach",

I don't understand this man love for Lombardi. The only thing I can see is that you guys want anybody but Baalke. what has Lombardi done lately or before in fact. In fact Lombardi reminds me of Joe Thomas a GM the 49ers made the mistake of hiring back in the 70's.
  • mayo49
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Get Billick he's got a Super Bowl ring and he's a former Walsh employee. He's also been a OC before and can probably develop a young Qb. I want Billick.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
As evidenced by the promoting of Baalke, We have a huge front office cluster f**k for power! We should make Lombardi team president and head of player personnel. This would be brining in a outsider, to stabilize things, AND help Harbaugh with his decision. He and Lombardi are supposed to be pals.

That is a brilliant idea. Jed isn't that bright though. He doesn;t even want to spring for the coach and you think he would spring for both.

I know Jed feels like a big spender because he brought back bottled water to the team training facilities!

Remember Denise had the players drinking from little paper cups, because a water cooler was cheaper than battled water!

Oh yea, ever notice we always have a ton of cap room every off season! That is a nice way of sating we are to cheap to fill our roster with top NFL talent!

And some fans think that's some kind of great achievement. Since when do they give out f*cking trophies for having tons of cap room? I rather be 50 million over the cap and winning and not be 50 million under and miss the playoffs every god damn year. And last time I checked pretty much every team was way under the cap last time there was a salary cap. So much for that great York accomplishment.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
Redundant Nonsense, lock it!

It's not redundant. This is about the REJECTION of our front office by candidates. I see no thread like that.

I can understand why Harbaugh does not want work with an inexperienced GM.
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
So we keep a s**tty front office, and refuse to "overpay". This is a joke.

I don't care if it is Harbaugh or not, you have to pay to get the hot candidate. Yorks are proven cheap asses and half this forum are defending it.

This...!!! We won't be s**t until the cheap ass Yorks sell the damn team. Garbage from top to bottom and that's the truth.
McDaniels and Jed in a room together......Did they have their moms with them?
This has turned into one HUGE s**t sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite....
Originally posted by mayo49:
Get Billick he's got a Super Bowl ring and he's a former Walsh employee. He's also been a OC before and can probably develop a young Qb. I want Billick.

If you want billick then you want the same old; very conservaitve, boring run up the gut offense. Putting up no more than 17 points a game. a wild card game but never the super bowl. I'll pass Billick trash. Well actually jed york is.. But pass on Billick
Never mind Harbaugh, reaching out to McDaniels was such a dumb fu*king move.

It just blows my mind that the F.O. considered him an option.

What is this I don't even
Originally posted by Otter:
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
So we keep a s**tty front office, and refuse to "overpay". This is a joke.

I don't care if it is Harbaugh or not, you have to pay to get the hot candidate. Yorks are proven cheap asses and half this forum are defending it.

It's sad. I think the Yorks have paid workers on here.

its one thing to overpay for a proven player and its a nother thing to pverpay for an unproven person

It's true, Harbaugh isn't "worth" that much. Just like many draft picks or FA aren't "worth" what they get.

But the market determines "worth", and if you want a certain player/coach, you have to be willing to pay the market price.

At the end of the day it's meaningless. Billionaires paying multi-millionaires, aren't affected by whether or not their cash cow which generates hundreds of millions in profits, makes a mil or two less a year. So, if you have to "overpay", than you overpay.

And don't forget, THEY put themselves in this position. By firing Sing early, and promoting Baalke, THEY (the front office) went "Harbaugh or bust". And it seems like they failed.

Frankly I don't even want a Baalke/Harbaugh combo. We need experience SOMEWHERE. So with Harbaugh, I would want an experienced GM. With Baalke, I want an experienced coach.

But THEY set up this scenario. Whatever their plan was, it looks like it's failing miserably. That is just one more piece of evidence that in the front office department, we continue to bring a knife to a gun fight.

Not everyone agrees with you.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnHSmWn3b0C4sk.Ulqj.0zNDubYF?slug=ms-baalkeninersgm010611

Quote:

Yet I believe York’s faith in Baalke, who has modeled much of his approach after Bill Parcells (the Jets’ coach when Baalke got hired in ’98), is the product of some sound sensibilities by the young owner. For one thing, Baalke is regarded by many respected people in the business as a highly gifted assessor of players’ abilities – and one with the guts to stand up for his opinions and go against the grain.

“Trent Baalke is a football guy through and through, with a very good understanding of the game and a very sound evaluation process,” said Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff. “And he’s driven – he has a tireless work ethic. He’ll do everything in his power to help restore that organization to prominence.”

Dimitroff was once one of these behind-the-scenes standouts, a former area scout who’d at first been marginalized because of his counter-culture appearance and vegetarian diet but had risen through the Patriots’ front-office ranks because he turned out to be damn good at what he did. When Falcons owner Arthur Blank offered him the GM job following the franchise’s Bobby Petrino fiasco of 2007 and an unsuccessful effort to land Parcells to run its front office – and did so after interviewing Dimitroff via videoconference – it was a decidedly unsexy hire that provoked mockery from outsiders.


First of all, not EVERYONE agrees that the Earth is more than 5 thousand years old and that Jebus didn't walk around with Dinosaurs. That doesn't make it true.

Secondly, how is that at all disagreeing with me?

I didn't say Baalke was bad, just inexperienced. It's just simple logic man. If you have ever been in charge of running or even a part of any kind of organization, you know, regardless of the position, highest or lowest level, people learning how to do their job don't do it as well as people who have done the job before.

They may be great at it eventually, but there is always a learning curve. And one thing that helps tremendously is having someone around who really knows what they are doing. It could be their boss, their co-worker, even their subordinate, regardless, having someone around to show you the ropes and help you learn from past mistakes, successes, and general experience always is a big plus.

But we continue to put rookies in EVERY position possible. GM, HC, OC, DC, OL, WR, etc...., without ANY benefit of someone with proven success to guide them.

Until we bring in someone who can serve as the voice of reason and experience to this franchise we will continue to flail about miserably.
Originally posted by Otter:
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
So we keep a s**tty front office, and refuse to "overpay". This is a joke.

I don't care if it is Harbaugh or not, you have to pay to get the hot candidate. Yorks are proven cheap asses and half this forum are defending it.

It's sad. I think the Yorks have paid workers on here.

its one thing to overpay for a proven player and its a nother thing to pverpay for an unproven person

It's true, Harbaugh isn't "worth" that much. Just like many draft picks or FA aren't "worth" what they get.

But the market determines "worth", and if you want a certain player/coach, you have to be willing to pay the market price.

At the end of the day it's meaningless. Billionaires paying multi-millionaires, aren't affected by whether or not their cash cow which generates hundreds of millions in profits, makes a mil or two less a year. So, if you have to "overpay", than you overpay.

And don't forget, THEY put themselves in this position. By firing Sing early, and promoting Baalke, THEY (the front office) went "Harbaugh or bust". And it seems like they failed.

Frankly I don't even want a Baalke/Harbaugh combo. We need experience SOMEWHERE. So with Harbaugh, I would want an experienced GM. With Baalke, I want an experienced coach.

But THEY set up this scenario. Whatever their plan was, it looks like it's failing miserably. That is just one more piece of evidence that in the front office department, we continue to bring a knife to a gun fight.

Not everyone agrees with you.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnHSmWn3b0C4sk.Ulqj.0zNDubYF?slug=ms-baalkeninersgm010611

Quote:

Yet I believe York’s faith in Baalke, who has modeled much of his approach after Bill Parcells (the Jets’ coach when Baalke got hired in ’98), is the product of some sound sensibilities by the young owner. For one thing, Baalke is regarded by many respected people in the business as a highly gifted assessor of players’ abilities – and one with the guts to stand up for his opinions and go against the grain.

“Trent Baalke is a football guy through and through, with a very good understanding of the game and a very sound evaluation process,” said Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff. “And he’s driven – he has a tireless work ethic. He’ll do everything in his power to help restore that organization to prominence.”

Dimitroff was once one of these behind-the-scenes standouts, a former area scout who’d at first been marginalized because of his counter-culture appearance and vegetarian diet but had risen through the Patriots’ front-office ranks because he turned out to be damn good at what he did. When Falcons owner Arthur Blank offered him the GM job following the franchise’s Bobby Petrino fiasco of 2007 and an unsuccessful effort to land Parcells to run its front office – and did so after interviewing Dimitroff via videoconference – it was a decidedly unsexy hire that provoked mockery from outsiders.


Well if that wasn't a ringing endorsement, i don't know what is.
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Maybe we should forfeit the 2011 season or fold the franchise.

We really should. It would be a lot less painful then continue to slowly die like a worm in the sun do to the york epedimic
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by AKfanster:
SD, what is it about the front office that is so bad? The "structure" of the front office has been cited, but what exactly is the issue? Baalke? Jed?

I guess I don't understand the power structure enough to really know what's going on. Is this a real beef or do these coaches want more power? More say over roster etc???

Can someone fill me in please?

~ Jed is a 29 year old inexperienced kid.
~ He has financial restraints from John and Denise despite his bravado "Money is no object..."
~ Paraage is a recent MBA grad with no experience.
~ Baalke was a scout not long ago and has no GM experience. He is from the Scot M. school of FAIL.

This is a terrible front office.

basically it is a front office with little football experience and very young.

Jed is the owners son--that is all
Paarage is an MBA--not a football person.
Baalke is an unknown---could be good--could be bad.

Jed should have been doing his homework all season long---after that 0-5 start.
Jed gets fixated on one person and doesn't consider what can go wrong until it goes wrong.

Jed knows the Niners ownership and front office is a laughing stock---and yet once again he makes no real changes.

This team needs to add a President to the staff----and not one with the last name of York. jed can still do that from the teams still left in the playoffs---the same names people talked about that Jed decided not to interview.
Please do not lock this. As a diehard fan of a team that fell from dominance to being a decade long laughing stock, I think I have a right to vent. Fire all the coaches you want, and cut any players you must, but this ownership is proving time and time again that they are making no progress, not learning from mistakes, pinching money, and constantly lying to the fan base by making one absurd promise after another that they are simply not delivering on. Sadly all we have is the forum where we can vent and voice our frustration, so in order to not hijack every thread with a "%#$& the Yorks" I want to start a place for all the frustrated fans to Vent!!!
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Yorks = curse