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Reason why we lost the first 5 games???

Reason why we lost the first 5 games???

Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
in this order:

tough schedule
coaching
turnovers
porous defense

Those 2 were huge. People so quickly forget how the front half of the schedule was murderers row. Those were really tough games. And with coaching we couldn't even get the plays in on time. This team was a mess at the beginning.

yup, and yet--we were in every game but two. we could have easily gone 3-2 in our toughest five games if it weren't for costly turnovers and a defense that can never come up with a big stop. but our coaching put us in that hole to begin with. we have the sheer talent to compete with the best teams, IMO, but we never come into games prepared enough to pull it off. Not to mention being absolutely blown out twice.

Coaching is horrendous on this team. A better coach could get more out of this.
Not enough runs up the middle
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
Not enough runs up the middle

That's what Sing thinks.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
in this order:

tough schedule
coaching
turnovers
porous defense

Those 2 were huge. People so quickly forget how the front half of the schedule was murderers row. Those were really tough games. And with coaching we couldn't even get the plays in on time. This team was a mess at the beginning.

yup, and yet--we were in every game but two. we could have easily gone 3-2 in our toughest five games if it weren't for costly turnovers and a defense that can never come up with a big stop. but our coaching put us in that hole to begin with. we have the sheer talent to compete with the best teams, IMO, but we never come into games prepared enough to pull it off. Not to mention being absolutely blown out twice.

Coaching is horrendous on this team. A better coach could get more out of this.

agreed. if belichek were the coach of this team we'd probably be 8-1 right now.

i think Singletary can learn to be a good/very good coach, and the next 7 games could be interesting, just in terms of seeing if he can keep this team together and find his way as a coach.

Sing's problem is finding his niche, IMO. He's not going to be a strategic coach, but he could, potentially, be like a Tony Dungy (but his opposite in terms of disposition) who is a "leader of young men" and who looks at his job as a mentor as much as a football coach. But the key to making that work is having great organization around the coach. He has to have a lot of experience around him and a great staff, because Sing doesn't have Dungy's ability to manage a game. I doubt, at this point, that Sing will find his way as a coach here. I think the structure of our organization is completely wrong for him and that he doesn't know enough to correct it, he doesn't know enough about what he needs to succeed. But you never know. If he holds this team together after that terrible start then there is probably hope for his future as a coach. Whether its here or not depends on if he has any miracles up his sleeve.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
in this order:

tough schedule
coaching
turnovers
porous defense

Those 2 were huge. People so quickly forget how the front half of the schedule was murderers row. Those were really tough games. And with coaching we couldn't even get the plays in on time. This team was a mess at the beginning.

yup, and yet--we were in every game but two. we could have easily gone 3-2 in our toughest five games if it weren't for costly turnovers and a defense that can never come up with a big stop. but our coaching put us in that hole to begin with. we have the sheer talent to compete with the best teams, IMO, but we never come into games prepared enough to pull it off. Not to mention being absolutely blown out twice.

Coaching is horrendous on this team. A better coach could get more out of this.

agreed. if belichek were the coach of this team we'd probably be 8-1 right now.

i think Singletary can learn to be a good/very good coach, and the next 7 games could be interesting, just in terms of seeing if he can keep this team together and find his way as a coach.

Sing's problem is finding his niche, IMO. He's not going to be a strategic coach, but he could, potentially, be like a Tony Dungy (but his opposite in terms of disposition) who is a "leader of young men" and who looks at his job as a mentor as much as a football coach. But the key to making that work is having great organization around the coach. He has to have a lot of experience around him and a great staff, because Sing doesn't have Dungy's ability to manage a game. I doubt, at this point, that Sing will find his way as a coach here. I think the structure of our organization is completely wrong for him and that he doesn't know enough to correct it, he doesn't know enough about what he needs to succeed. But you never know. If he holds this team together after that terrible start then there is probably hope for his future as a coach. Whether its here or not depends on if he has any miracles up his sleeve.

We have a pretty good talent level. Although not great. But we are nowhere near 3 - 6 bad on talent level. We are absolutely coached down in every way. From preperation, to QB development, to time management, to game management and knowing when to bench under performers like Chilo.
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tougher schedule.

Look at it. Those are some of the toughest games we played this year. Now all the softballs are lined up and home games. Those were away games and some home vs. real tough teams. Nothing like the current schedule.

True. I wish the schedule makers would spread out the games better...3 out of the first 4 on the road, 2 at the loudest stadiums in the league? Home game against the World Champs?

Some of the absolute toughest games we played were the first 5. It was road games and home vs. very tough teams. Even Alex would beat a lot of the current games on the schedule. Not saying he is the answer. But Troy Smith is an illusion IMO based on softball schedule. Alex was 8 - 8 last year. He wouldn't lose them all. He wins the easy ones. Troy would lose a lot of the first 5 if not all of them.

Smith wasn't 8-8 last year. He was I think 5-5. Lol. I don't think he coulda beat the rams last week.

5-5 projects out to 8-8 over a full season... People act like we would be 0 - 16 but we would not. The toughest 5 games on our schedule were the first 5.

He certainly could beat the Rams. He did last year.
Haha this is the only time I've seen you not bashing anyone on the team. But still, I doubt he'd beat the Rams simply b/c we did well in the passing game because Troy threw deep and took chances, something Alex does not do. Plus, I think in that situation of 3rd and 32, he would have folded like a piece of paper.

Troy Smith was also 0 for 11 on third downs, we we're stalling big time in the second half. Alex was getting better and better in that area.
Sing + Raye.
Turn Overs and Alex Smith
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Once again, the board shows a total lack of intelligence. Anyone who blames Alex Smith more than Mike Singletary simply does not understand the game, period.

The total lack of organization, structure, communication problems, argument on what style of offense to play, player personnel issues....this falls on Alex? Come on, people, grow a brain cell.

Alex Smith did not have a great, or even good first 5 games. But, he is one element in the chaos of this team, with a head coach who simply does not know what he is doing. To assign blame on him for being the main cause of our bad start is simply naive.

Haha, this is a hilarious post. I agree btw. . Some people are able to see the bigger picture when it comes to football, and some aren't.
because the other teams scored more points than we did.


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I'm still checking the film but I would say turnovers and penalties.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tougher schedule.

Look at it. Those are some of the toughest games we played this year. Now all the softballs are lined up and home games. Those were away games and some home vs. real tough teams. Nothing like the current schedule.

True. I wish the schedule makers would spread out the games better...3 out of the first 4 on the road, 2 at the loudest stadiums in the league? Home game against the World Champs?

Some of the absolute toughest games we played were the first 5. It was road games and home vs. very tough teams. Even Alex would beat a lot of the current games on the schedule. Not saying he is the answer. But Troy Smith is an illusion IMO based on softball schedule. Alex was 8 - 8 last year. He wouldn't lose them all. He wins the easy ones. Troy would lose a lot of the first 5 if not all of them.

I love Troy Smith, and nobody is happier he is getting a chance to start, as a Buckeye's fan who has followed him since his high school years. But, we need to be realistic about how good he is. The performance against the Rams is an illusion. He is simply not THAT good. Can he manage the game well? Yes. Is he intelligent and have a strong arm? Yes. Is he is leader? Absolutely. Is he is starter in this league? I'm not so sure. Is he a guy who is going to have a QB rating well over 100 on any sort of regular basis? Absolutely not.

The bottom line is that through three quarters of the Broncos game, Smith was pretty mediocre, and if the crazy pass Walker catches that was up for grabs is not made, then we probably lose in London.

This past week, the Rams secondary was flat out bad. We are just not going to see a group play that poorly again.

The majority of the board is up for a rude awakening when Troy Smith returns to being Troy Smith soon, an average to below average starting QB, not the John Elway version we saw last week. The expectations are way too high, unfairly too high on him.

You know I am probably one of the few on here that agrees with alot you say. However, the one thing I will note is that TSmith seems to have more of the "it
factor" than ASmith. Asmith may actually have more talent, but in athletics sometimes you need a leader.

Now do I think that TSmith is the answer, absolutely not. However, like Shaun Hill he seems to have a natural leadership skill that Alex just doesn't have. I have hung in the with Alex for several years and gave him the benefit of the doubt. I am now just through with him. He's had his chances.

Bottomline, the 49ers just don't have a QB that can lead them farther than maybe a 1st round playoff loss. We have a whole coral of Steve Deberg's, and I don't think until we fix that we will be ready for a run at anything.

Now with that said, I think the Singletary experiment needs to end. We need to bring in someone, and not some of the retreads that everyone else says on here.
This just in, Bill Walsh couldn't make this team work. Why, not because he didn't have an eye for talent, but the game changes. That's why we don't need retreads.

Now I wouldn't mind a strong GM and say someone like Jim Harbraugh. You know what is nuts, is that Harbraugh would probably take the Michigan NCAA job over the 49ers. We have become irrelevant.
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Mike Nolan

This.
maybe because the other team scored more points
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Originally posted by binary2nd:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Once again, the board shows a total lack of intelligence. Anyone who blames Alex Smith more than Mike Singletary simply does not understand the game, period.

The total lack of organization, structure, communication problems, argument on what style of offense to play, player personnel issues....this falls on Alex? Come on, people, grow a brain cell.

Alex Smith did not have a great, or even good first 5 games. But, he is one element in the chaos of this team, with a head coach who simply does not know what he is doing. To assign blame on him for being the main cause of our bad start is simply naive.

Haha, this is a hilarious post. I agree btw. . Some people are able to see the bigger picture when it comes to football, and some aren't.

are you guys done tooting your horns to the beat of "holier than thou"?

Here's the response: great quarterbacks transcend everything around them, and elevate the level of play of their teammates. Who were the no-names that Bradford was throwing the ball to as WR's? Never heard of them, but they sure were lighting it up togethr. The Falcons sucked and were in disarray before Ryan. The Rams sucked before Warner. The Pats sucked before Brady. In all those cases, it seemed like the whole team sucked and possibly the coach too. In all those cases, the singular thing that made the team rock was the introduction of a great QB. You don't realize it until a real QB comes along and pulls you out of the quick sand.