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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
A lot of you guys are delusional when it comes to bashing Alex Smith.

- Alex Smith is the best QB CURRENTLY on the roster.

The Plan SHOULD be:
1.) Fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach
The problem we've had is a lack of continuity on offense. And philosophically, we've carried a ball-control team that relied on a good defense to win games. True, that CAN win ballgames, as seen with the Ravens and Steelers... But I think the fans have had enough with this line of thinking. MOST winning teams in the league are quarterback-driven.

One of the major problems we've had is the lack of continuity on offense. By hiring an offensive-minded coach, that problem is solved for as long as he's head coach. It'll be HIS offense. I'd prefer if he keeps Mike Johnson, because I think he'll be a good play-caller in the long-run. It'd be nice to be a West Coast Offense, but it all depends on who is available at the time. If Mike Johnson can adapt and run a WCO, or whatever offense the new HC wants, that'd be good. If not, we'll have to see him go.

Gruden, in my opinion, is our best choice. He runs a West Coast offense, but uses a power-running variation of it. It would fit our personnel very well, and we'd have minimal turnover as he brings in guys that would fit his scheme. But all in all... it depends on who's available.

2A.) Look for a free agent QB or trade for one.
This team is ready to win now. Unfortunately for Alex this season, the offensive line is too young and inexperienced for a marginal QB to win with. A superstar QB like Manning probably could win, but not a QB on the fringe like Alex.

By next season though, HOPEFULLY the line will have progressed like it should have. They should be able to take care of whoever is their QB. (That's a big if, and a question the head coach needs to seriously consider).

But we need to try to upgrade the QB position via a trade or free agent signing. The offense has everything it needs, except the QB. The offensive line needs time to gel. Like I said, it's unfortunate for Alex that it had to be this season... but it is what it is. By next year, the only missing piece on offense is the QB.

2B.) Draft a QB high in the draft.
Alex Smith may or may not be the answer (most will probably say he is NOT). But if we cannot find a veteran QB, we must draft a QB. That QB will be in a very good situation, especially if we fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach.

Reason I say he'll be in a good situation is this... This rookie will not be (hopefully!) on a team that just went 2-14 like Alex Smith did. He'll have Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, and Frank Gore as weapons. He'll (hopefully) have an emerging offensive line that had experienced its growing pains the season before.

3.) Retain Alex Smith for 2 years
Unless we land a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, the QB situation will likely be questionable. We'll most likely get a solid veteran on the level of Kyle Orton, or someone like that.

Or, if we went with Option 1B and drafted a QB, he'll be a rookie. Who knows if he'll be ready to play? With an established offensive cast, he could potentially have a rookie season a la Ryan or Sanchez... or he might need some time.

If it's the latter, rather than the former, we'll need someone who knows the offense and has a decent amount of chemistry with his teammates. That man could be Alex Smith. It also gives a LONGSHOT chance that Alex could bust a Drew Brees, but it's more to give the rookie QB time to groom.

Wait..

Did you just say "retain Alex Smith for two years?"

Why on God's Green Earth WHY? Isn't this season ENOUGH for you already? You really want him back at the controls?

Nope -- I say we cut our losses. Alex Smith is gone. I don't care if he develops into Superman with another team. Who gives a rat's hind end? I don't. I want Alex GONE. Period. End of story.

The rest of your post I agree with. Kind of. Well -- to be honest -- my eyes kind of glazed over with that "Retain Alex Smith" part. I started barfing on my computer screen from that point forward.

That's great. Who do you want at QB? Draft a rook and hope it pans out? Or get a s*itty retread free agent QB. It's VERY rare to have a solid starting QB on the market. Smith will probably be the best option until a youngster is groomed.

Or, there might be Shaun Hill. Boy, if we had him we would be the best team in the NFL. He is amazing.
For better or for worse, the best the 49ers could hope for next season would be that Jed would hire Gruden, or someone with a similar offensive pedigree, and get it done immediately after the season is over. That person could then talk to Alex and convince him that there will be an actual 2011 NFL offensive scheme in place that would allow players to take advantage of their skill set instead of some archaic mindset that has been dead for 20 years, and consequently Smith would have a chance to actually play in a decent system.

While I do not believe that will happen, it would allow the 49ers to have a starter in place that can run things until a rookie develops. I don't want to see another Rattay for five games and then a raw rookie begins on-the-field training.

As to an FA coming in that will be measurably better than Smith, that will not happen. Even a cursory look at starting QBs around the league will quickly reveal that there are 3 classes; some very good ones who will not be available at any price, some who are definitely worse than Smith, and about a dozen who are just like Alex Smith but wearing a different jersey right now.

In all my years of watching NFL football, I have never seen a year so marked by poor quality QB play, and it isn't getting any better. Hence, the best thing that can happen for the 49ers is that Smith gets healthy and can play again before the season is over.

We will know about that when the X-rays and MRI are completed. He will have to be healthy enough to at least hand off with both hands. Unfortunately, in order for a shoulder separation to heal properly, it needs to be immobilized, or at least in a limited range of motion for a period of time. With this OL playing as poorly as it is, Smith would be a fool to come back and attempt to play before his shoulder is fully healed. If he comes back early and re-injures it, he will have less value in FA after this season. Therefore it is in his best interest not to waste his body on an offense that is dragging a pre-historic offensive philosophy around by the neck.

I am just beside myself...You really believe Alex (6year plan) Smith is still our future QB? You want to keep him ? You don't think he has caused enough damage?

GOOOOD GRIEF!!!!!Amazing some people are still holding onto a dream that will never come true. Let's drop this loser and move on. I for one can't take another losing season. Alex=LOSER
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by excelsior:
For those who are praying that Alex is not re-signed for next year, you can take it to the bank that will be the case. Why? Because the Yorks have a long, dependable history of making dumb decisions. Hence, they will get rid of Alex and the team will struggle even worse. But the haters will be happy.

The biggest problem I see with the haters is that they have no understanding of the inter-relatedness between a QB's performance and the performance of the other ten guys on offense. Anyone focusing on the game will have seen that most - not all, but most - problems on offense were caused by sub-par OL or receiver play. "Oh, but Rodgers would be lights out," some of you would cry. Yeh, sure. Look at how Rodgers has been playing the last few weeks. Explain that to us.

eh, OK.

Alex Smith 9 INTs.

Aaron Rodgers.............9 INTs.


Oops.

hahahaha. pwnr.
Rodgers was very lucky last night that Favre was even worse than he was. Rodgers did everything he possibly could to make Favre's final game at Lambeau a winner.About a half dozen of his throws made Alex Smith look like a sharp shooter.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by excelsior:
For those who are praying that Alex is not re-signed for next year, you can take it to the bank that will be the case. Why? Because the Yorks have a long, dependable history of making dumb decisions. Hence, they will get rid of Alex and the team will struggle even worse. But the haters will be happy.

The biggest problem I see with the haters is that they have no understanding of the inter-relatedness between a QB's performance and the performance of the other ten guys on offense. Anyone focusing on the game will have seen that most - not all, but most - problems on offense were caused by sub-par OL or receiver play. "Oh, but Rodgers would be lights out," some of you would cry. Yeh, sure. Look at how Rodgers has been playing the last few weeks. Explain that to us.

eh, OK.

Alex Smith 9 INTs.

Aaron Rodgers.............9 INTs.


Oops.

hahahaha. pwnr.
Rodgers was very lucky last night that Favre was even worse than he was. Rodgers did everything he possibly could to make Favre's final game at Lambeau a winner.About a half dozen of his throws made Alex Smith look like a sharp shooter.

exactly. Rodgers was bad last night, but he got big plays from his D. Alex might be mediocre, average at best, but so are the vast majority of Qb's in the league (this year in particular) and if our offense got the kind of support from the D that Green Bay's does, we'd probably be 4-2 right now.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by excelsior:
For those who are praying that Alex is not re-signed for next year, you can take it to the bank that will be the case. Why? Because the Yorks have a long, dependable history of making dumb decisions. Hence, they will get rid of Alex and the team will struggle even worse. But the haters will be happy.

The biggest problem I see with the haters is that they have no understanding of the inter-relatedness between a QB's performance and the performance of the other ten guys on offense. Anyone focusing on the game will have seen that most - not all, but most - problems on offense were caused by sub-par OL or receiver play. "Oh, but Rodgers would be lights out," some of you would cry. Yeh, sure. Look at how Rodgers has been playing the last few weeks. Explain that to us.

eh, OK.

Alex Smith 9 INTs.

Aaron Rodgers.............9 INTs.


Oops.

hahahaha. pwnr.
Rodgers was very lucky last night that Favre was even worse than he was. Rodgers did everything he possibly could to make Favre's final game at Lambeau a winner.About a half dozen of his throws made Alex Smith look like a sharp shooter.

I think alex would have thrown another TD yesterday. It seemed that we were moving the ball pretty well, especially running...but, when carr came in....we lost all hope of even crossing the 50 yd line
Everyone was crying for Smith's head on a platter and now that Carr is in there maybe the realization will sink in that Smith gives us a far better chance at winning than Carr does. It's safe to say the season is over, but as a 49er fan i would much rather watch an offense with Smith than Carr. At least Smith makes things exciting and gives us a chance. Watching David Carr run the offense brought back images of Ken Dorsey and Tim Rattay. If the management is smart they will resign Smith to be the #2 qb and go after a veteran to start as well as draft a qb who is expected to start in 2-3 years. You don't necessarily need a stellar starting qb to mentor a rookie for a few years. Joe Montana sat behind Steve Deberg. Back to the subject....it will be better for this team if Alex Smith's injury is not long term and he can come back after the bye.
Originally posted by 49ermark:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
A lot of you guys are delusional when it comes to bashing Alex Smith.

- Alex Smith is the best QB CURRENTLY on the roster.

The Plan SHOULD be:
1.) Fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach
The problem we've had is a lack of continuity on offense. And philosophically, we've carried a ball-control team that relied on a good defense to win games. True, that CAN win ballgames, as seen with the Ravens and Steelers... But I think the fans have had enough with this line of thinking. MOST winning teams in the league are quarterback-driven.

One of the major problems we've had is the lack of continuity on offense. By hiring an offensive-minded coach, that problem is solved for as long as he's head coach. It'll be HIS offense. I'd prefer if he keeps Mike Johnson, because I think he'll be a good play-caller in the long-run. It'd be nice to be a West Coast Offense, but it all depends on who is available at the time. If Mike Johnson can adapt and run a WCO, or whatever offense the new HC wants, that'd be good. If not, we'll have to see him go.

Gruden, in my opinion, is our best choice. He runs a West Coast offense, but uses a power-running variation of it. It would fit our personnel very well, and we'd have minimal turnover as he brings in guys that would fit his scheme. But all in all... it depends on who's available.

2A.) Look for a free agent QB or trade for one.
This team is ready to win now. Unfortunately for Alex this season, the offensive line is too young and inexperienced for a marginal QB to win with. A superstar QB like Manning probably could win, but not a QB on the fringe like Alex.

By next season though, HOPEFULLY the line will have progressed like it should have. They should be able to take care of whoever is their QB. (That's a big if, and a question the head coach needs to seriously consider).

But we need to try to upgrade the QB position via a trade or free agent signing. The offense has everything it needs, except the QB. The offensive line needs time to gel. Like I said, it's unfortunate for Alex that it had to be this season... but it is what it is. By next year, the only missing piece on offense is the QB.

2B.) Draft a QB high in the draft.
Alex Smith may or may not be the answer (most will probably say he is NOT). But if we cannot find a veteran QB, we must draft a QB. That QB will be in a very good situation, especially if we fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach.

Reason I say he'll be in a good situation is this... This rookie will not be (hopefully!) on a team that just went 2-14 like Alex Smith did. He'll have Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, and Frank Gore as weapons. He'll (hopefully) have an emerging offensive line that had experienced its growing pains the season before.

3.) Retain Alex Smith for 2 years
Unless we land a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, the QB situation will likely be questionable. We'll most likely get a solid veteran on the level of Kyle Orton, or someone like that.

Or, if we went with Option 1B and drafted a QB, he'll be a rookie. Who knows if he'll be ready to play? With an established offensive cast, he could potentially have a rookie season a la Ryan or Sanchez... or he might need some time.

If it's the latter, rather than the former, we'll need someone who knows the offense and has a decent amount of chemistry with his teammates. That man could be Alex Smith. It also gives a LONGSHOT chance that Alex could bust a Drew Brees, but it's more to give the rookie QB time to groom.

Wait..

Did you just say "retain Alex Smith for two years?"

Why on God's Green Earth WHY? Isn't this season ENOUGH for you already? You really want him back at the controls?

Nope -- I say we cut our losses. Alex Smith is gone. I don't care if he develops into Superman with another team. Who gives a rat's hind end? I don't. I want Alex GONE. Period. End of story.

The rest of your post I agree with. Kind of. Well -- to be honest -- my eyes kind of glazed over with that "Retain Alex Smith" part. I started barfing on my computer screen from that point forward.

That's great. Who do you want at QB? Draft a rook and hope it pans out? Or get a s*itty retread free agent QB. It's VERY rare to have a solid starting QB on the market. Smith will probably be the best option until a youngster is groomed.

Or, there might be Shaun Hill. Boy, if we had him we would be the best team in the NFL. He is amazing.
For better or for worse, the best the 49ers could hope for next season would be that Jed would hire Gruden, or someone with a similar offensive pedigree, and get it done immediately after the season is over. That person could then talk to Alex and convince him that there will be an actual 2011 NFL offensive scheme in place that would allow players to take advantage of their skill set instead of some archaic mindset that has been dead for 20 years, and consequently Smith would have a chance to actually play in a decent system.

While I do not believe that will happen, it would allow the 49ers to have a starter in place that can run things until a rookie develops. I don't want to see another Rattay for five games and then a raw rookie begins on-the-field training.

As to an FA coming in that will be measurably better than Smith, that will not happen. Even a cursory look at starting QBs around the league will quickly reveal that there are 3 classes; some very good ones who will not be available at any price, some who are definitely worse than Smith, and about a dozen who are just like Alex Smith but wearing a different jersey right now.

In all my years of watching NFL football, I have never seen a year so marked by poor quality QB play, and it isn't getting any better. Hence, the best thing that can happen for the 49ers is that Smith gets healthy and can play again before the season is over.

We will know about that when the X-rays and MRI are completed. He will have to be healthy enough to at least hand off with both hands. Unfortunately, in order for a shoulder separation to heal properly, it needs to be immobilized, or at least in a limited range of motion for a period of time. With this OL playing as poorly as it is, Smith would be a fool to come back and attempt to play before his shoulder is fully healed. If he comes back early and re-injures it, he will have less value in FA after this season. Therefore it is in his best interest not to waste his body on an offense that is dragging a pre-historic offensive philosophy around by the neck.

I am just beside myself...You really believe Alex (6year plan) Smith is still our future QB? You want to keep him ? You don't think he has caused enough damage?

GOOOOD GRIEF!!!!!Amazing some people are still holding onto a dream that will never come true. Let's drop this loser and move on. I for one can't take another losing season. Alex=LOSER
You obviously overlooked my second paragraph. Go back and read it. I am saying that I would prefer Smith over another David Carr FA as the interim QB while the rookie 1st round draft pick is being prepared to take over.

THERE AREN'T ANY FA QBs OUT THERE THAT ARE WORTH THE PRICE OF AN AIRLINE TICKET. It is Alex or a rook. Take your pick. I prefer Smith under the Johnson system or something similar. 85% rating is better than any rook is likely to ring up. Or do you prefer a Jimmy Clausen with 52%?
It's a shame Smith is hurt again. I'm sure he's a good guy, and takes care of his momma. However, with any luck, we have seen the last of him in a 9ers uniform. It is time to turn the page. Here is what I'd like to see.

1. Smith on IR, Nate to third string.
2. Give Carr one more chance in London.
3. Fire Sing as soon as the plane lands in SF.
4. If Carr is bad in London, it is Troy Smith time. If TSmith can't play its Nate time.
5. Hire a GM who actually knows how to run a football team.
6. Let the GM hire a real HC.
7. If neither TSmith or Nate looks like a franchise QB (which is probably the case). Draft a real QB in the first round.

For those who say a rookie QB can't win, how do you explain Rothelsberger, Flacco, Sanchez, and Bradford?
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Originally posted by leolion:


For those who say a rookie QB can't win, how do you explain Rothelsberger, Flacco, Sanchez, and Bradford?

Ok, who wants to create the list of first round QBs that didn't win? I sure don't.... My fingers would fall off from typing.
Originally posted by leolion:
It's a shame Smith is hurt again. I'm sure he's a good guy, and takes care of his momma. However, with any luck, we have seen the last of him in a 9ers uniform. It is time to turn the page. Here is what I'd like to see.

1. Smith on IR, Nate to third string.
2. Give Carr one more chance in London.
3. Fire Sing as soon as the plane lands in SF.
4. If Carr is bad in London, it is Troy Smith time. If TSmith can't play its Nate time.
5. Hire a GM who actually knows how to run a football team.
6. Let the GM hire a real HC.
7. If neither TSmith or Nate looks like a franchise QB (which is probably the case). Draft a real QB in the first round.

For those who say a rookie QB can't win, how do you explain Rothelsberger, Flacco, Sanchez, and Bradford?
I'll take a shot at it:

In the case of the first three, they played with awesome defenses that constantly gave them great field position. They also had very good running games. FWIW, Flacco has come down to earth and is at roughly the same level as Smith under Johnson's game plans.

Bradford is playing on a Rams team that is much better than most '9er fans realize. Steven Jackson is a stud RB and they have some nice young receivers on that team. Their defense is also pretty solid. Most importantly, they have a VERY good HC who, though a defensive guy, realizes he needs a modern offense if his young QB is to learn and grow. Still, Bradford's rating is 4 points lower than Smith and he has 9 TD and 8 INTs - nearly to Smith's. Therefore it is quite obvious the Rams are not winning because of Bradford. There are a lot of other factors in place that have allowed them to win 2 more games than the 49ers.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 49ermark:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
A lot of you guys are delusional when it comes to bashing Alex Smith.

- Alex Smith is the best QB CURRENTLY on the roster.

The Plan SHOULD be:
1.) Fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach
The problem we've had is a lack of continuity on offense. And philosophically, we've carried a ball-control team that relied on a good defense to win games. True, that CAN win ballgames, as seen with the Ravens and Steelers... But I think the fans have had enough with this line of thinking. MOST winning teams in the league are quarterback-driven.

One of the major problems we've had is the lack of continuity on offense. By hiring an offensive-minded coach, that problem is solved for as long as he's head coach. It'll be HIS offense. I'd prefer if he keeps Mike Johnson, because I think he'll be a good play-caller in the long-run. It'd be nice to be a West Coast Offense, but it all depends on who is available at the time. If Mike Johnson can adapt and run a WCO, or whatever offense the new HC wants, that'd be good. If not, we'll have to see him go.

Gruden, in my opinion, is our best choice. He runs a West Coast offense, but uses a power-running variation of it. It would fit our personnel very well, and we'd have minimal turnover as he brings in guys that would fit his scheme. But all in all... it depends on who's available.

2A.) Look for a free agent QB or trade for one.
This team is ready to win now. Unfortunately for Alex this season, the offensive line is too young and inexperienced for a marginal QB to win with. A superstar QB like Manning probably could win, but not a QB on the fringe like Alex.

By next season though, HOPEFULLY the line will have progressed like it should have. They should be able to take care of whoever is their QB. (That's a big if, and a question the head coach needs to seriously consider).

But we need to try to upgrade the QB position via a trade or free agent signing. The offense has everything it needs, except the QB. The offensive line needs time to gel. Like I said, it's unfortunate for Alex that it had to be this season... but it is what it is. By next year, the only missing piece on offense is the QB.

2B.) Draft a QB high in the draft.
Alex Smith may or may not be the answer (most will probably say he is NOT). But if we cannot find a veteran QB, we must draft a QB. That QB will be in a very good situation, especially if we fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach.

Reason I say he'll be in a good situation is this... This rookie will not be (hopefully!) on a team that just went 2-14 like Alex Smith did. He'll have Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, and Frank Gore as weapons. He'll (hopefully) have an emerging offensive line that had experienced its growing pains the season before.

3.) Retain Alex Smith for 2 years
Unless we land a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, the QB situation will likely be questionable. We'll most likely get a solid veteran on the level of Kyle Orton, or someone like that.

Or, if we went with Option 1B and drafted a QB, he'll be a rookie. Who knows if he'll be ready to play? With an established offensive cast, he could potentially have a rookie season a la Ryan or Sanchez... or he might need some time.

If it's the latter, rather than the former, we'll need someone who knows the offense and has a decent amount of chemistry with his teammates. That man could be Alex Smith. It also gives a LONGSHOT chance that Alex could bust a Drew Brees, but it's more to give the rookie QB time to groom.

Wait..

Did you just say "retain Alex Smith for two years?"

Why on God's Green Earth WHY? Isn't this season ENOUGH for you already? You really want him back at the controls?

Nope -- I say we cut our losses. Alex Smith is gone. I don't care if he develops into Superman with another team. Who gives a rat's hind end? I don't. I want Alex GONE. Period. End of story.

The rest of your post I agree with. Kind of. Well -- to be honest -- my eyes kind of glazed over with that "Retain Alex Smith" part. I started barfing on my computer screen from that point forward.

That's great. Who do you want at QB? Draft a rook and hope it pans out? Or get a s*itty retread free agent QB. It's VERY rare to have a solid starting QB on the market. Smith will probably be the best option until a youngster is groomed.

Or, there might be Shaun Hill. Boy, if we had him we would be the best team in the NFL. He is amazing.
For better or for worse, the best the 49ers could hope for next season would be that Jed would hire Gruden, or someone with a similar offensive pedigree, and get it done immediately after the season is over. That person could then talk to Alex and convince him that there will be an actual 2011 NFL offensive scheme in place that would allow players to take advantage of their skill set instead of some archaic mindset that has been dead for 20 years, and consequently Smith would have a chance to actually play in a decent system.

While I do not believe that will happen, it would allow the 49ers to have a starter in place that can run things until a rookie develops. I don't want to see another Rattay for five games and then a raw rookie begins on-the-field training.

As to an FA coming in that will be measurably better than Smith, that will not happen. Even a cursory look at starting QBs around the league will quickly reveal that there are 3 classes; some very good ones who will not be available at any price, some who are definitely worse than Smith, and about a dozen who are just like Alex Smith but wearing a different jersey right now.

In all my years of watching NFL football, I have never seen a year so marked by poor quality QB play, and it isn't getting any better. Hence, the best thing that can happen for the 49ers is that Smith gets healthy and can play again before the season is over.

We will know about that when the X-rays and MRI are completed. He will have to be healthy enough to at least hand off with both hands. Unfortunately, in order for a shoulder separation to heal properly, it needs to be immobilized, or at least in a limited range of motion for a period of time. With this OL playing as poorly as it is, Smith would be a fool to come back and attempt to play before his shoulder is fully healed. If he comes back early and re-injures it, he will have less value in FA after this season. Therefore it is in his best interest not to waste his body on an offense that is dragging a pre-historic offensive philosophy around by the neck.

I am just beside myself...You really believe Alex (6year plan) Smith is still our future QB? You want to keep him ? You don't think he has caused enough damage?

GOOOOD GRIEF!!!!!Amazing some people are still holding onto a dream that will never come true. Let's drop this loser and move on. I for one can't take another losing season. Alex=LOSER
You obviously overlooked my second paragraph. Go back and read it. I am saying that I would prefer Smith over another David Carr FA as the interim QB while the rookie 1st round draft pick is being prepared to take over.

THERE AREN'T ANY FA QBs OUT THERE THAT ARE WORTH THE PRICE OF AN AIRLINE TICKET. It is Alex or a rook. Take your pick. I prefer Smith under the Johnson system or something similar. 85% rating is better than any rook is likely to ring up. Or do you prefer a Jimmy Clausen with 52%?

Last year we had a chance to make a bid on McNabb. If we did I bet we'd have at least 3 to 4 wins and a chance at the playoffs. Why not wait to see what we have in the FA market. Smith if he knows whats good for him will leave and see if he can make a 2nd go at it somewhere else.

I say pick #1 QB
look whats out there in the FA market and grab a proven winner. We have the weapons (Crabs,VD,Gore) we just need a few minor changes on the line and some better play calling from the booth.

I just never felt right with Smith behind center - It's really strange he just doesn't have the fire or the ability to win games.
which arm/hand does he use to fondle himself, is it the injured one?
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by excelsior:
For those who are praying that Alex is not re-signed for next year, you can take it to the bank that will be the case. Why? Because the Yorks have a long, dependable history of making dumb decisions. Hence, they will get rid of Alex and the team will struggle even worse. But the haters will be happy.

The biggest problem I see with the haters is that they have no understanding of the inter-relatedness between a QB's performance and the performance of the other ten guys on offense. Anyone focusing on the game will have seen that most - not all, but most - problems on offense were caused by sub-par OL or receiver play. "Oh, but Rodgers would be lights out," some of you would cry. Yeh, sure. Look at how Rodgers has been playing the last few weeks. Explain that to us.

eh, OK.

Alex Smith 9 INTs.

Aaron Rodgers.............9 INTs.


Oops.

hahahaha. pwnr.
Rodgers was very lucky last night that Favre was even worse than he was. Rodgers did everything he possibly could to make Favre's final game at Lambeau a winner.About a half dozen of his throws made Alex Smith look like a sharp shooter.

Is "sharpshooter" a new nick name for Alex?? I know of the robot, Alexcuses, Alice, Alexia, bust, captain crunch, etc. etc.

now we can call him a sharpshooter...
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by leolion:


For those who say a rookie QB can't win, how do you explain Rothelsberger, Flacco, Sanchez, and Bradford?

Ok, who wants to create the list of first round QBs that didn't win? I sure don't.... My fingers would fall off from typing.

Start with Alex Smith.
Originally posted by seeking6th:
which arm/hand does he use to fondle himself, is it the injured one?

he uses singletarys'
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by seeking6th:
which arm/hand does he use to fondle himself, is it the injured one?

he uses singletarys'

that must be a blast