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Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by seeking6th:
which arm/hand does he use to fondle himself, is it the injured one?

he uses singletarys'

About 25% of members of this site would volunteer for the job.
Originally posted by leolion:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by seeking6th:
which arm/hand does he use to fondle himself, is it the injured one?

he uses singletarys'

About 25% of members of this site would volunteer for the job.

i know i would
Originally posted by leolion:
For those who say a rookie QB can't win, how do you explain Rothelsberger, Flacco, Sanchez, and Bradford?

Rarely does a rookie qb take the reigns after just 1 training camp and turn a team around. 3 of those 4 qb's went to teams where the entire offense and defense were already in place. Its to early to put Bradford in the same class as the above mentioned qb's. If he plays this way the entire season then maybe. The long term success of our o line depends on 4 players - the two rookies, Rachal and Adam Snyder. If the two rooks continue to improve and Snyder replaces Rachal we will be one of those teams that is legitimately a qb away from being playoff contender. Alex Smith needs to be resigned to mentor a rookie QBOTF. There are no free agent qb's who are going to be an upgrade over Smith. The three that would be, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Donovan McNabb, will surely be resigned by their current teams.
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Originally posted by leolion:



Start with Alex Smith.

I think that should just prove my point.

You want to start this all over again?

Smith may not be the solution, but he is clearly not the problem.

This team is not ready to start a rookie QB. Sad as that is to say after drafting so high for so long.

Maybe if we bring in a great coaching staff that will change. I'm not holding my breath after the last three attempts.

[ Edited by Wodwo on Oct 25, 2010 at 10:11:35 ]
Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:
Originally posted by leolion:
For those who say a rookie QB can't win, how do you explain Rothelsberger, Flacco, Sanchez, and Bradford?

Rarely does a rookie qb take the reigns after just 1 training camp and turn a team around. 3 of those 4 qb's went to teams where the entire offense and defense were already in place. Its to early to put Bradford in the same class as the above mentioned qb's. If he plays this way the entire season then maybe. The long term success of our o line depends on 4 players - the two rookies, Rachal and Adam Snyder. If the two rooks continue to improve and Snyder replaces Rachal we will be one of those teams that is legitimately a qb away from being playoff contender. Alex Smith needs to be resigned to mentor a rookie QBOTF. There are no free agent qb's who are going to be an upgrade over Smith. The three that would be, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Donovan McNabb, will surely be resigned by their current teams.

Are you friggin kidding me. Mentor him in what? Rolling right and chucking the ball 5 yrds out of bounds? Handing the ball to the other team's defense? You might as well bring back Trent Dickwag to "mentor" the next quaterback.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
A lot of you guys are delusional when it comes to bashing Alex Smith.

- Alex Smith is the best QB CURRENTLY on the roster.

The Plan SHOULD be:
1.) Fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach
The problem we've had is a lack of continuity on offense. And philosophically, we've carried a ball-control team that relied on a good defense to win games. True, that CAN win ballgames, as seen with the Ravens and Steelers... But I think the fans have had enough with this line of thinking. MOST winning teams in the league are quarterback-driven.

One of the major problems we've had is the lack of continuity on offense. By hiring an offensive-minded coach, that problem is solved for as long as he's head coach. It'll be HIS offense. I'd prefer if he keeps Mike Johnson, because I think he'll be a good play-caller in the long-run. It'd be nice to be a West Coast Offense, but it all depends on who is available at the time. If Mike Johnson can adapt and run a WCO, or whatever offense the new HC wants, that'd be good. If not, we'll have to see him go.

Gruden, in my opinion, is our best choice. He runs a West Coast offense, but uses a power-running variation of it. It would fit our personnel very well, and we'd have minimal turnover as he brings in guys that would fit his scheme. But all in all... it depends on who's available.

2A.) Look for a free agent QB or trade for one.
This team is ready to win now. Unfortunately for Alex this season, the offensive line is too young and inexperienced for a marginal QB to win with. A superstar QB like Manning probably could win, but not a QB on the fringe like Alex.

By next season though, HOPEFULLY the line will have progressed like it should have. They should be able to take care of whoever is their QB. (That's a big if, and a question the head coach needs to seriously consider).

But we need to try to upgrade the QB position via a trade or free agent signing. The offense has everything it needs, except the QB. The offensive line needs time to gel. Like I said, it's unfortunate for Alex that it had to be this season... but it is what it is. By next year, the only missing piece on offense is the QB.

2B.) Draft a QB high in the draft.
Alex Smith may or may not be the answer (most will probably say he is NOT). But if we cannot find a veteran QB, we must draft a QB. That QB will be in a very good situation, especially if we fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach.

Reason I say he'll be in a good situation is this... This rookie will not be (hopefully!) on a team that just went 2-14 like Alex Smith did. He'll have Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, and Frank Gore as weapons. He'll (hopefully) have an emerging offensive line that had experienced its growing pains the season before.

3.) Retain Alex Smith for 2 years
Unless we land a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, the QB situation will likely be questionable. We'll most likely get a solid veteran on the level of Kyle Orton, or someone like that.

Or, if we went with Option 1B and drafted a QB, he'll be a rookie. Who knows if he'll be ready to play? With an established offensive cast, he could potentially have a rookie season a la Ryan or Sanchez... or he might need some time.

If it's the latter, rather than the former, we'll need someone who knows the offense and has a decent amount of chemistry with his teammates. That man could be Alex Smith. It also gives a LONGSHOT chance that Alex could bust a Drew Brees, but it's more to give the rookie QB time to groom.

Wait..

Did you just say "retain Alex Smith for two years?"

Why on God's Green Earth WHY? Isn't this season ENOUGH for you already? You really want him back at the controls?

Nope -- I say we cut our losses. Alex Smith is gone. I don't care if he develops into Superman with another team. Who gives a rat's hind end? I don't. I want Alex GONE. Period. End of story.

The rest of your post I agree with. Kind of. Well -- to be honest -- my eyes kind of glazed over with that "Retain Alex Smith" part. I started barfing on my computer screen from that point forward.

That's great. Who do you want at QB? Draft a rook and hope it pans out? Or get a s*itty retread free agent QB. It's VERY rare to have a solid starting QB on the market. Smith will probably be the best option until a youngster is groomed.

Or, there might be Shaun Hill. Boy, if we had him we would be the best team in the NFL. He is amazing.


The problem isnt necessarily keeping Smith. It's the baggage that comes with him. The guy has broken a lot of hearts in Ninerland. Even if we could keep him as a backup, everytime he miscues he'll be booed and the general consensus in Ninerland will be, "same old Alex". He's image in San Fran is irreparable at this point.

Both sides need a break from each other. Alex needs to go else where and start fresh, and Niner fans need to get the bad taste out of their mouths. God forbid next year's starter gets hurt, and Alex is forced to play. Once again, the old "oline cant play", "no continuity with OC", "Gruden wont tailor the playbook to Alex's strengths", etc. topics will re-emerge.

Time to cut our losses. He had his chances. Regardless of the circumstances, he did not live up to them.

oh poor baby, you need someone to hold you and your broken heart?

Give me a break but hey what are you excuses gonna be for Carr and the guy after that? Cause its not gonna get any better around here without better oline play, better wr routes and fighting for balls, and most importantly better game planning.

Maybe Alex will still be to blame cause he broke the players hearts too? Get a grip.
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by excelsior:
For those who are praying that Alex is not re-signed for next year, you can take it to the bank that will be the case. Why? Because the Yorks have a long, dependable history of making dumb decisions. Hence, they will get rid of Alex and the team will struggle even worse. But the haters will be happy.

The biggest problem I see with the haters is that they have no understanding of the inter-relatedness between a QB's performance and the performance of the other ten guys on offense. Anyone focusing on the game will have seen that most - not all, but most - problems on offense were caused by sub-par OL or receiver play. "Oh, but Rodgers would be lights out," some of you would cry. Yeh, sure. Look at how Rodgers has been playing the last few weeks. Explain that to us.

eh, OK.

Alex Smith 9 INTs.

Aaron Rodgers.............9 INTs.


Oops.

hahahaha. pwnr.
Rodgers was very lucky last night that Favre was even worse than he was. Rodgers did everything he possibly could to make Favre's final game at Lambeau a winner.About a half dozen of his throws made Alex Smith look like a sharp shooter.

Is "sharpshooter" a new nick name for Alex?? I know of the robot, Alexcuses, Alice, Alexia, bust, captain crunch, etc. etc.

now we can call him a sharpshooter...
Did you see the GB/Minne game last night? Six of Rodgers throws were 10+ yards away from the receiver.

I'm out...
Originally posted by leolion:
It's a shame Smith is hurt again. I'm sure he's a good guy, and takes care of his momma. However, with any luck, we have seen the last of him in a 9ers uniform. It is time to turn the page. Here is what I'd like to see.

1. Smith on IR, Nate to third string.
2. Give Carr one more chance in London.
3. Fire Sing as soon as the plane lands in SF.
4. If Carr is bad in London, it is Troy Smith time. If TSmith can't play its Nate time.
5. Hire a GM who actually knows how to run a football team.
6. Let the GM hire a real HC.
7. If neither TSmith or Nate looks like a franchise QB (which is probably the case). Draft a real QB in the first round.

For those who say a rookie QB can't win, how do you explain Rothelsberger, Flacco, Sanchez, and Bradford?

Have you not taken the time to realize that those rookie qb's all play on teams with far better talent and Coaching than us. Bradford is playing on a bad team but at least his coachs are good and put him in better positions to win. You gonna take our team over any of those teams besides the Rams - no way.
Originally posted by rk1642:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
A lot of you guys are delusional when it comes to bashing Alex Smith.

- Alex Smith is the best QB CURRENTLY on the roster.

The Plan SHOULD be:
1.) Fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach
The problem we've had is a lack of continuity on offense. And philosophically, we've carried a ball-control team that relied on a good defense to win games. True, that CAN win ballgames, as seen with the Ravens and Steelers... But I think the fans have had enough with this line of thinking. MOST winning teams in the league are quarterback-driven.

One of the major problems we've had is the lack of continuity on offense. By hiring an offensive-minded coach, that problem is solved for as long as he's head coach. It'll be HIS offense. I'd prefer if he keeps Mike Johnson, because I think he'll be a good play-caller in the long-run. It'd be nice to be a West Coast Offense, but it all depends on who is available at the time. If Mike Johnson can adapt and run a WCO, or whatever offense the new HC wants, that'd be good. If not, we'll have to see him go.

Gruden, in my opinion, is our best choice. He runs a West Coast offense, but uses a power-running variation of it. It would fit our personnel very well, and we'd have minimal turnover as he brings in guys that would fit his scheme. But all in all... it depends on who's available.

2A.) Look for a free agent QB or trade for one.
This team is ready to win now. Unfortunately for Alex this season, the offensive line is too young and inexperienced for a marginal QB to win with. A superstar QB like Manning probably could win, but not a QB on the fringe like Alex.

By next season though, HOPEFULLY the line will have progressed like it should have. They should be able to take care of whoever is their QB. (That's a big if, and a question the head coach needs to seriously consider).

But we need to try to upgrade the QB position via a trade or free agent signing. The offense has everything it needs, except the QB. The offensive line needs time to gel. Like I said, it's unfortunate for Alex that it had to be this season... but it is what it is. By next year, the only missing piece on offense is the QB.

2B.) Draft a QB high in the draft.
Alex Smith may or may not be the answer (most will probably say he is NOT). But if we cannot find a veteran QB, we must draft a QB. That QB will be in a very good situation, especially if we fire Singletary and hire an offensive-minded Head Coach.

Reason I say he'll be in a good situation is this... This rookie will not be (hopefully!) on a team that just went 2-14 like Alex Smith did. He'll have Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, and Frank Gore as weapons. He'll (hopefully) have an emerging offensive line that had experienced its growing pains the season before.

3.) Retain Alex Smith for 2 years
Unless we land a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, the QB situation will likely be questionable. We'll most likely get a solid veteran on the level of Kyle Orton, or someone like that.

Or, if we went with Option 1B and drafted a QB, he'll be a rookie. Who knows if he'll be ready to play? With an established offensive cast, he could potentially have a rookie season a la Ryan or Sanchez... or he might need some time.

If it's the latter, rather than the former, we'll need someone who knows the offense and has a decent amount of chemistry with his teammates. That man could be Alex Smith. It also gives a LONGSHOT chance that Alex could bust a Drew Brees, but it's more to give the rookie QB time to groom.

Wait..

Did you just say "retain Alex Smith for two years?"

Why on God's Green Earth WHY? Isn't this season ENOUGH for you already? You really want him back at the controls?

Nope -- I say we cut our losses. Alex Smith is gone. I don't care if he develops into Superman with another team. Who gives a rat's hind end? I don't. I want Alex GONE. Period. End of story.

The rest of your post I agree with. Kind of. Well -- to be honest -- my eyes kind of glazed over with that "Retain Alex Smith" part. I started barfing on my computer screen from that point forward.

That's great. Who do you want at QB? Draft a rook and hope it pans out? Or get a s*itty retread free agent QB. It's VERY rare to have a solid starting QB on the market. Smith will probably be the best option until a youngster is groomed.

Or, there might be Shaun Hill. Boy, if we had him we would be the best team in the NFL. He is amazing.


The problem isnt necessarily keeping Smith. It's the baggage that comes with him. The guy has broken a lot of hearts in Ninerland. Even if we could keep him as a backup, everytime he miscues he'll be booed and the general consensus in Ninerland will be, "same old Alex". He's image in San Fran is irreparable at this point.

Both sides need a break from each other. Alex needs to go else where and start fresh, and Niner fans need to get the bad taste out of their mouths. God forbid next year's starter gets hurt, and Alex is forced to play. Once again, the old "oline cant play", "no continuity with OC", "Gruden wont tailor the playbook to Alex's strengths", etc. topics will re-emerge.

Time to cut our losses. He had his chances. Regardless of the circumstances, he did not live up to them.

oh poor baby, you need someone to hold you and your broken heart?

Give me a break but hey what are you excuses gonna be for Carr and the guy after that? Cause its not gonna get any better around here without better oline play, better wr routes and fighting for balls, and most importantly better game planning.

Maybe Alex will still be to blame cause he broke the players hearts too? Get a grip.

You sure told him ... Looks like your the cry baby here. You wont have Alex Smiths balls to cup anymore. And as a fan I will boo any bad quarterback that plays for the niners. I did Rat, I did Dilfer, I did JTO and now I will do it for Carr.
Get over it and say good bye you can follow him on another team.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by excelsior:
For those who are praying that Alex is not re-signed for next year, you can take it to the bank that will be the case. Why? Because the Yorks have a long, dependable history of making dumb decisions. Hence, they will get rid of Alex and the team will struggle even worse. But the haters will be happy.

The biggest problem I see with the haters is that they have no understanding of the inter-relatedness between a QB's performance and the performance of the other ten guys on offense. Anyone focusing on the game will have seen that most - not all, but most - problems on offense were caused by sub-par OL or receiver play. "Oh, but Rodgers would be lights out," some of you would cry. Yeh, sure. Look at how Rodgers has been playing the last few weeks. Explain that to us.

eh, OK.

Alex Smith 9 INTs.

Aaron Rodgers.............9 INTs.


Oops.

hahahaha. pwnr.
Rodgers was very lucky last night that Favre was even worse than he was. Rodgers did everything he possibly could to make Favre's final game at Lambeau a winner.About a half dozen of his throws made Alex Smith look like a sharp shooter.

Is "sharpshooter" a new nick name for Alex?? I know of the robot, Alexcuses, Alice, Alexia, bust, captain crunch, etc. etc.

now we can call him a sharpshooter...
Did you see the GB/Minne game last night? Six of Rodgers throws were 10+ yards away from the receiver.

I'm out...

But, what is the norm for these guys? Rodgers is an above average QB and Alex is below average...
Originally posted by leolion:
Are you friggin kidding me. Mentor him in what? Rolling right and chucking the ball 5 yrds out of bounds? Handing the ball to the other team's defense? You might as well bring back Trent Dickwag to "mentor" the next quaterback.

What other options do we have? There are two 2011 FA qb that are an upgrade over Smith. There is no way Manning, Brady or McNabb don't resign with their current teams. The situation in Philadelphia is important as Vick is a FA after this year, and Kolb may become expendable if Vick plays himself into a long term contract. There is no guarantee that Kolb is traded/released if Vick resigns. Also there is Kerry Collins, but his situation is up in the air as well and there is no guarantee he won't retire after this season. That leaves us with the following FA qbs: Matt Moore, Kyle Orton, Matt Hasselbeck, JT O'Sullivan, Seneca Wallace, Shaun Hill, Brodie Croyle, Chad Pennington, Tyler Thigpen, Tarvaris Jackson, Jim Sorgi, Kellen Clemens, Bruce Gradkowski, Dennis Dixon, Billy Volek, Kerry Collins, Chris Simms, and Rex Grossman. I'm not saying Smith is the long term answer, but he would be a decent backup qb and a huge upgrade over what we have as backup right now. If we can't sign Kerry Collins or somehow get Michael Vick or Kevin Kolb on our roster, we have no choice but to resign Smith. We will use a high draft pick on a qb - thats a given either way.
Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
F*CK Alice Smith the season is over so WHO GIVE A FLYING F*CK weather he'll be back or not

SEASON IS OVER N HIS CAREER ALSO

you should consider changing your name to fake2redngold
There's no way Smith stays on as a back up. It's obvious he wants to start. He will be competing for a starting role in Buffalo, Minnesota, Jacksonville, or Arizona next year. Book it.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
There's no way Smith stays on as a back up. It's obvious he wants to start. He will be competing for a starting role in Buffalo, Minnesota, Jacksonville, or Arizona next year. Book it.

I would tend to agree with this. He'll take on the journeyman role that Carr has taken on.

I do find it interesting though -- how many of Alex's supporters are so ready to ditch Carr -- when he hasn't even started Game One yet.

You know who these people are. They are the posters who call us "haters," or "not a true fan," or some other garbage.

I just find it interesting that they're willing to give Alex game after game after game after game after game to straighten it out (which he never will folks -- and that's the sad truth). Yet they're riding Carr's nvuts after two quarters of play.

Where is the consistency here? Perhaps it's the Smith supporters who are not true fans? Perhaps they are more in love with one player rather than the team itself.

Hmm....

A point to ponder....
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
There's no way Smith stays on as a back up. It's obvious he wants to start. He will be competing for a starting role in Buffalo, Minnesota, Jacksonville, or Arizona next year. Book it.

I would tend to agree with this. He'll take on the journeyman role that Carr has taken on.

I do find it interesting though -- how many of Alex's supporters are so ready to ditch Carr -- when he hasn't even started Game One yet.

You know who these people are. They are the posters who call us "haters," or "not a true fan," or some other garbage.

I just find it interesting that they're willing to give Alex game after game after game after game after game to straighten it out (which he never will folks -- and that's the sad truth). Yet they're riding Carr's nvuts after two quarters of play.

Where is the consistency here? Perhaps it's the Smith supporters who are not true fans? Perhaps they are more in love with one player rather than the team itself.

Hmm....

A point to ponder....



no most of us are willing to give carr a chance. we just enjoy the table turn. we know/knew the problems went WAY beyond the QB, and know alex gave us the best chance.

i like alex and think a team that is stable will pick him up if we let him go. and then he will succeed, s**t if he was on the giants right now, he would be better than manning.

our next QB will bust if we keep the FO in place and don't rebuild the coaching staff.