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Originally posted by Ceadderman:

As far as the 2nd INT goes, there was no time left on the clock and he was trying to throw the ball downfield. In any case he got hit 3/4 of the way through his motion and wasn't able to step into his throw. Even YOU have to admit that Smith's Pass was WILDLY inaccurate. Even for him. It was like a Shaun Hill Pass, that's how bad it looked.

It was more than even that. It was a stunt DE that Rachal picked up, and Anthony Davis allowed the DT to get quick penetration from AD's inside shoulder. The DL hit Alex as he threw it. That is why the ball sailed up like a punt. Smith never had a chance on that final throw.

Originally posted by Axl49:

Originally posted by TheNef77:
This article just scream one thing to me. BENCH CHILO RACHAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL TRUTH SPOKEN RIGHT THERE MAN

WHy is it that year in and year out us as fans seen these logical moves but our coaches don't ???? its a no brainer bass for chilo and insert eric back in the lineup i bet you a 1000 bucks the line would be instantly better..i also think bass next to davis would help davis too


WHY ARE OUR COACHES SOOO STUPID!!!!

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by SanFranAddic:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by TheNef77:
This article just scream one thing to me. BENCH CHILO RACHAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

truth right here

This is pissing me off as much as the predictable up the gut runs. It's clear to everyone that Chilo stinks and the line plays better when he's on the bench.

We deserve an answer as to why Singletary refuses to bench him.

All we are gonna get is "going forward" or "Chilo is going to get where he needs to be."

Remember last year when they just up and cut Rossum out of nowhere. Sing of Scott never answered who or why he was cut. And the special teams really went to crap after that. Doesn't seem we ever get a clear cut answer just off brand generalizations.

yeah and rossum went to have a nice return somewhere else..oh and we cut our other returner in spurlock....he took one to the house later that year and is lighting it up this year...our coach DOESNT KNOW TALENT IF IT HIT HIM IN HIS DUMB FACE WITH HIS HEADSET UP !

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

If I remember correctly, he was coming off an injury, and JTO was Martz' guy.

Martz refrained from harsh criticism of Smith, but did say that Smith often didn't know where to go with his passes and said he had a hard time trusting his receivers. "Some of his receivers were a little subpar," Martz said. "When that happens, you cut corners."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=41685#ixzz12LYv92KA

This is from the guy that has Jay Cutler looking like a fool cause he hasn't yet figured out Chicago can't protect him.

And if you have a comprehension problem, lemme point out to you that ALL our Receivers that year(save Battle and Bruce) were subpar... ummm meaning they weren't even AVERAGE in ability.

"Smith often didn't know where to go with his passes and said he had a hard time trusting his receivers."

This happens when you don't have a legitimate system and when you turn over OCs' like mattresses.

Martz CAN'T be critical of the guy cause he never had personal dealings with a healthy Alex Smith. DUUUUUUUUH!

That's like Jerry Rice saying that he'd never be a good QB. I got nothin but MAAAAAAD respect for Flash80 but saying that was rubbish. One of the reasons he said it was cause Smit went to Utah and played for Urban Meyer. If I remember correctly Jerry played for a Small school too and was the guy that fumbled away our Win against the Giants with NOBODY around him. Jerry made up for it. And I expect Alex will make up for his issues as well. Probably not as a 9er, but I believe Smith will probably get picked up as a FA and end up turning his career around on a better team.

You fools crack me up though. Gotta say if I had as much hate for anyone running through my veins it still wouldn't be as much as you guys have for Smith.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Cause he BROKE his collar bone in a Preseason game had to have surgery and was OUT for the season. DUH!Don't try to twist it into something it ain't.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

As far as the 2nd INT goes, there was no time left on the clock and he was trying to throw the ball downfield. In any case he got hit 3/4 of the way through his motion and wasn't able to step into his throw. Even YOU have to admit that Smith's Pass was WILDLY inaccurate. Even for him. It was like a Shaun Hill Pass, that's how bad it looked.

It was more than even that. It was a stunt DE that Rachal picked up, and Anthony Davis allowed the DT to get quick penetration from AD's inside shoulder. The DL hit Alex as he threw it. That is why the ball sailed up like a punt. Smith never had a chance on that final throw.

Yeah I know. Just trying to keep it simple. Unfortunately nothing in Smith's career has been simple.

~Ceadder

WORST QB IN THE LEAGUE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Cause he BROKE his collar bone in a Preseason game had to have surgery and was OUT for the season. DUH!Don't try to twist it into something it ain't.

~Ceadder

no s**t right?

you tell em Ceadder.

Originally posted by 1251alex:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Cause he BROKE his collar bone in a Preseason game had to have surgery and was OUT for the season. DUH!Don't try to twist it into something it ain't.

~Ceadder

no s**t right?

you tell em Ceadder.

im backing Ceadder on this one!

Originally posted by susweel:
WORST QB IN THE LEAGUE !!!!!!!!!!!!

IGNORANCE FTW!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by susweel:
WORST QB IN THE LEAGUE !!!!!!!!!!!!

but, but, but he's captain crunch

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:
He's definitely improved a lot this year, I'll say that much. It's a shame his numbers don't back it up, but he's a lot better. A lot of this also goes back to coaching and Sing's love affair with Chilo. The OL has performed a lot better with Chilo on the bench, but Sing seems oblivious.

Gosh Alex is so good I think wild dogs should kiss his rear end, and give Sing brown lollipops!!

The zone, just rules!

Okay now Bali, you don't have to behave like an ass to show your difference of opinion.


Alex Smith This Season:
Under Duress=======No Pressure
Comp Pct 26.8=====71.8 <
Pass Yds 98------------1,131
Yds/Att 2.4------------7.6
TD-INT 1-4------------5-5
Passer Rtg 8.1------------90.8 <

> NFL Avg: 66.3 comp pct, 91.4 passer rtg

This clearly shows that Smith is not a bad QB.

But then that doesn't jive with your opinion either. So should I brace and await insult?

You who said that I act high an mighty to put it in simple terms?

Dude c'mon, you're better than this. I know you are. But I think you're letting this get to you so you gotta take it out on people defending Smith.

Smith has made some mistakes to be sure. But when you're running for your life you're bound to make a few.

I been sayin it since the KC game but Chilo definitely needs to be benched. He was pretty good in the Seattle game til he got that Stinger. But since he's been back in the Starting role he's blown chowder.

~Ceadder

One problem here. You're comparing the average NFL quarterbacks stats with pressure included against Alex Smith's stats without pressure.

You're cherry picking stats there.

Ummmm NO read the stats again. They are for the Iggles game. I didn't cherry pick s**t.

~Ceadder

Maybe you should re read your own post because nowhere does it mention the Eagles game. You posted Alex's stats for this season under duress and then not under duress then you compared that to the average NFL quarterback's rating. One problem there. If you're comparing Alex's stats without pressure compared to an average NFL quarterback including pressure then yes you are cherry picking stats.

I don't know if you realized this but if you removed all of the passes that the average quarterback had under duress than their ratings would improve too.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Oct 14, 2010 at 10:41:20 ]

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

If I remember correctly, he was coming off an injury, and JTO was Martz' guy.

Martz refrained from harsh criticism of Smith, but did say that Smith often didn't know where to go with his passes and said he had a hard time trusting his receivers. "Some of his receivers were a little subpar," Martz said. "When that happens, you cut corners."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=41685#ixzz12LYv92KA

This is from the guy that has Jay Cutler looking like a fool cause he hasn't yet figured out Chicago can't protect him.

And if you have a comprehension problem, lemme point out to you that ALL our Receivers that year(save Battle and Bruce) were subpar... ummm meaning they weren't even AVERAGE in ability.

"Smith often didn't know where to go with his passes and said he had a hard time trusting his receivers."

This happens when you don't have a legitimate system and when you turn over OCs' like mattresses.

Martz CAN'T be critical of the guy cause he never had personal dealings with a healthy Alex Smith. DUUUUUUUUH!

That's like Jerry Rice saying that he'd never be a good QB. I got nothin but MAAAAAAD respect for Flash80 but saying that was rubbish. One of the reasons he said it was cause Smit went to Utah and played for Urban Meyer. If I remember correctly Jerry played for a Small school too and was the guy that fumbled away our Win against the Giants with NOBODY around him. Jerry made up for it. And I expect Alex will make up for his issues as well. Probably not as a 9er, but I believe Smith will probably get picked up as a FA and end up turning his career around on a better team.

You fools crack me up though. Gotta say if I had as much hate for anyone running through my veins it still wouldn't be as much as you guys have for Smith.

~Ceadder

So you're saying that Martz's criticism of Smith is invalid because he never got deal with him hands on ? So why use anyone's judgment on Smith then ? After all, none of these sports analysts got to deal with Smith, right ?

I mean...geez....if an OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR, who has worked with HOF QBs, doesnt have the ability to break down QB play through tapes and practice, then who does ? Alex Smith's mom ?!

You contradict yourself Ceadder. Here you are posting thoughts from guys like Young, claiming that Alex Smith is not the problem....yet you discount the criticism of an offensive coordinator because he didnt get to deal with Smith hands-on.

Nice try.....

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Cause he BROKE his collar bone in a Preseason game had to have surgery and was OUT for the season. DUH!Don't try to twist it into something it ain't.

~Ceadder

Martz jumped off the Smith bandwagon way before he broke his collarbone. His criticism of Smith was based on tape review and practice, not from watching him rot on the bench with a broken collarbone.

Of course, you think that Martz doesnt know football because of what he's done with Cutler.

Right.....

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Cause he BROKE his collar bone in a Preseason game had to have surgery and was OUT for the season. DUH!Don't try to twist it into something it ain't.

~Ceadder

Martz jumped off the Smith bandwagon way before he broke his collarbone. His criticism of Smith was based on tape review and practice, not from watching him rot on the bench with a broken collarbone.

Of course, you think that Martz doesnt know football because of what he's done with Cutler.

Right.....

Nolan was pretty much done with Alex after his 3rd season. He threw the guy under the bus in front of the whole team. He had no intention of moving forward with Alex and then turned to Martz praying that he could turn sh*t into gold. Alex wasn't ready to come back at that time, and neither Nolan or Martz wanted him as the starter anyways.