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Source: Singletary will have to win 1-2 playoff games to keep job

Mariucci would be great but you know he would get rid of Alex Smith and bring in his own quarterback.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Offensive minded coaches in the ranks:

Gruden
Martz
Mariucci
Morhinweg


Couldnt imagine York bringing in someone like Dungy or Cowher after the Singletary/Nolan debacle.

It'll prob come down to Gruden. Although Mariucci (2nd stint in SF ?) could be an interesting pick. After all, he rebuilt the team in 3 years after the "dynasty" fell.
well...................................duh
Jon Gruden was not wanted in Tampa. He won big with a team someone else built, but i will say that Gruden is a great play caller on offense.
Originally posted by 8008:
The Jon Gruden era starts in a few months
Originally posted by global_nomad:
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Whether you think Singletary is the problem with this team or not, these kinds of reports piss me off. It distracts everyone, and now all the players and coaches will be bothered about it all week. We already have enough problems before adding this crap to the mix.

I totally agree, yet it reassures me that maybe just maybe Jed York might not be as dumb as we all think.

Me thinks that Jed has been texting again -- either directly to Jason Cole or through an intermediary.

Jed is the RAT!
Originally posted by Archie:
Mariucci would be great but you know he would get rid of Alex Smith and bring in his own quarterback.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Offensive minded coaches in the ranks:

Gruden
Martz
Mariucci
Morhinweg


Couldnt imagine York bringing in someone like Dungy or Cowher after the Singletary/Nolan debacle.

It'll prob come down to Gruden. Although Mariucci (2nd stint in SF ?) could be an interesting pick. After all, he rebuilt the team in 3 years after the "dynasty" fell.

Mooch didn't build that team. He was just the coach. Walsh rebuilt it when Eddie D. hired him away from Stanford for one final time -- and he served as GM.

Walsh found Garcia and also conducted a couple of drafts that brought some solid players onboard -- and also made a couple of key free agent signings.

Walsh built it. Mooch coached it -- and I'll give Mooch credit -- he coached it well.

But when Mooch couldn't recreate that success in Detroit -- that was telling. I don't think Mooch is the answer. I'm not sure if Gruden is either.
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One thing I do not understand is that its obvious that the 49ers are just biding their time until the end of the season, and then they'll be rid of Singletary and Smith. I understand that this is a message board, but no matter how much you guys piss and moan isn't going to change the fact that the team is stuck with those two until the bitter end, barring injury or the coach quitting.

So why waste your time fretting over it?
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Archie:
Mariucci would be great but you know he would get rid of Alex Smith and bring in his own quarterback.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Offensive minded coaches in the ranks:

Gruden
Martz
Mariucci
Morhinweg


Couldnt imagine York bringing in someone like Dungy or Cowher after the Singletary/Nolan debacle.

It'll prob come down to Gruden. Although Mariucci (2nd stint in SF ?) could be an interesting pick. After all, he rebuilt the team in 3 years after the "dynasty" fell.

Mooch didn't build that team. He was just the coach. Walsh rebuilt it when Eddie D. hired him away from Stanford for one final time -- and he served as GM.

Walsh found Garcia and also conducted a couple of drafts that brought some solid players onboard -- and also made a couple of key free agent signings.

Walsh built it. Mooch coached it -- and I'll give Mooch credit -- he coached it well.

But when Mooch couldn't recreate that success in Detroit -- that was telling. I don't think Mooch is the answer. I'm not sure if Gruden is either.

Does anyone recall mooch not having the killer instinct? I do. I easily remember yelling at my TV when he'd take a couple of knees on the 50 just before half time. I also recall being very frustrated because his offense was extremely conservative.

Just saying.
LB
Originally posted by leebert81:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Archie:
Mariucci would be great but you know he would get rid of Alex Smith and bring in his own quarterback.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Offensive minded coaches in the ranks:

Gruden
Martz
Mariucci
Morhinweg


Couldnt imagine York bringing in someone like Dungy or Cowher after the Singletary/Nolan debacle.

It'll prob come down to Gruden. Although Mariucci (2nd stint in SF ?) could be an interesting pick. After all, he rebuilt the team in 3 years after the "dynasty" fell.

Mooch didn't build that team. He was just the coach. Walsh rebuilt it when Eddie D. hired him away from Stanford for one final time -- and he served as GM.

Walsh found Garcia and also conducted a couple of drafts that brought some solid players onboard -- and also made a couple of key free agent signings.

Walsh built it. Mooch coached it -- and I'll give Mooch credit -- he coached it well.

But when Mooch couldn't recreate that success in Detroit -- that was telling. I don't think Mooch is the answer. I'm not sure if Gruden is either.

Does anyone recall mooch not having the killer instinct? I do. I easily remember yelling at my TV when he'd take a couple of knees on the 50 just before half time. I also recall being very frustrated because his offense was extremely conservative.

Just saying.
LB

And to think -- that offense you and I were screaming at under Mooch would be so welcome now in this day and age.

How things have changed.
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Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by CaptainTabasco:
whoever we replace Sing with i just hope its not gruden... i am praying to god that its not gruden

My money says it's gonna be somebody we don't expect. Hopefully it'll be Marty Mornhinweg. His WCO ripped us a new ass last Sunday.

I agree with both posters.

Gruden is quite a way down my list of candidates, too, CptTabasco. I just don't think he's that much of a break from Singletary. Better X's and O's, but he's cut from the same rah-rah charismatic style of coaching as Sing.

I think you're certainly right about it being a dark horse candidate, SnakePlissken. What top flight coach in his right mind wants to take over our reclimation project anyway? I like the Mornhinweg suggestion, good resume, a dash of Niners' pedigree, and I think his type of offense is well suited to our roster. Better yet, I think it's a feasible hire.

Marty Mornhinweg would literally be the safe/cheap choice! He's a damn good coach/ballsy offensive mastermind who has out-coached many teams at Philly. Dude was literally screwed by Detroit after one season. He coached up Garcia (whilst being on both the 49ers and Eagles), Favre, Hasselbeck, and McNabb. Hell, even Kevin Kolb's mechanics looked (early) Hasselbeck-esq last Sunday.

I just see Gruden being a horrible idea at this time (even though he's a highly qualified candidate). This team is fed up with motivational speakers/yellers, they need some fresh air.

Mornhinweg would be Nolan 2.0 really good coordinator... bad head coach

You know the thing about Nolan is I don't think he was ever a good coordinator. The Ravens defense was so good during his tenure that anyone would have looked good "coaching" them. Truth is Marvin Lewis BUILT that defense and in my mind, only he can lay claim to it.

Nowhere else has Nolan gone and built a good defense from the ground up.

He was fired in Denver because even with Dumervil putting up (around) 20 sacks, they were still overall terrible. And if you want to know how he's doing in Miami.....see last week's game against the Patriots.

Did you know that Adalius Thomas first began to emerge on the Ravens when Nolan was the DC ? Suggs and Reed are in the same boat, both of them were drafted under Nolan (Suggs best career sack numbers came under Nolan). Lewis began the build of that defense and Nolan continued to build on his foundation and the defense continued to grow and develop under Rex Ryan as well. That team was fortunate to have 3 great DC's in succession, it also did not hurt that Ozzie Newsome did a tremendous job at the beginning of this decade with finding talent.

Did you also know Nolan was not fired in Denver, but resigned. And you can't expect a guy to switch defensive schemes whilst lacking the personnel to run it to have great success from day 1. Nolan helped lead Denver to a 6-0 start but eventually the lack of personnel became exposed and teams learned how to exploit them yet they still finished 7th overall in total defense (a defense that was ranked 29th the year prior).

In Miami they are currently ranked 7th overall in total defense. The last 2 weeks the performances haven't been great however they have dealt with the injury bug on the DL.

With the Giants he defense was fairly solid. His track as a DC speaks for itself, you can hate him as a HC all you want but to s**t on what he has done as a DC is blind hatred.

New England returned a KO for a TD, blocked 2 kicks that led to TDs (one was returned for a TD), and an INT for a TD. That's 28 of the 41 pts scored right there.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Offensive minded coaches in the ranks:

Gruden
Martz
Mariucci
Morhinweg


Couldnt imagine York bringing in someone like Dungy or Cowher after the Singletary/Nolan debacle.

It'll prob come down to Gruden. Although Mariucci (2nd stint in SF ?) could be an interesting pick. After all, he rebuilt the team in 3 years after the "dynasty" fell.

That was more Walsh and McVay (turned over the entire D with just two drafts).

Mooch will probably not want to work for the Yorks. There's real bad blood there, and I think it extends to other members of the greater Walsh coaching tree too. IN other words, Gruden himself may not like how Mooch was treated and might not want to work for the Yorks.

The ownership and the franchise itself has a bad reputation basically, and they are going to have to work really hard to convince an established coach to come here. They are also going to have to overpay bigtime.
Originally posted by FL9er:
One thing I do not understand is that its obvious that the 49ers are just biding their time until the end of the season, and then they'll be rid of Singletary and Smith. I understand that this is a message board, but no matter how much you guys piss and moan isn't going to change the fact that the team is stuck with those two until the bitter end, barring injury or the coach quitting.

So why waste your time fretting over it?

I agree - Smith and Singletary are here until the end of this season, then gone. That is for sure, and it would be a mistake to bring in some interim HC. Just play this out and then get a real, bit-name coach.

The frustrating part of this is that we all saw it coming with Smith. 6 years now. And Singletary's flaws were evident last year. The Niners (York, in particular) just keep banging their heads against the wall. York hired Singletary too quickly, without taking time to do due diligence or interview anyone else, and now it's biting us in the ass. Highlights how inexperienced he is.
Originally posted by FL9er:
One thing I do not understand is that its obvious that the 49ers are just biding their time until the end of the season, and then they'll be rid of Singletary and Smith. I understand that this is a message board, but no matter how much you guys piss and moan isn't going to change the fact that the team is stuck with those two until the bitter end, barring injury or the coach quitting.

So why waste your time fretting over it?



No matter what, we still root for our team. We can yell at Singletary and Smith to take out our frustrations on them.

Instead of fretting, why not look to the future where the writing is ALREADY on the wall. Therefore, we know we will have a new HC and QB with a possibility of a new OC AND DC. I can see us moving back to the WCO AND bring back the 4-3.

The D is a product of the Nolan/Singletary era so I think the new GM with direction from Jed will move in another direction to purge the remainder of the Nolan era.

Even if Singletary comes back this season and leads this team to the playoffs, it's gratifying to know that we will move in another direction and clean house.

Yet again...
There is no way Singletary is back next year. In addition to the W/L record, his emotional outbursts have been an embarrassment to the players and the franchise. Also, his lack of in-game responses to problem areas show he is not yet qualified to be a HC.

I'm not completely sold on Gruden. He is just the most visible due to his ESPN gig and background in Oakland. Before I would hire Gruden, I would take a look around the league at some of the better OCs with other teams. Look at some of the better young coaches out there - Todd Haley in KC, Josh McDaniel in Denver, Ken Whisenhunt in AZ, all came from OC position to have success.

As to Smith, I doubt he would even consider coming back to this trainwreck situation UNLESS Jed did bring in a top-level OC who was committed to the passing game. In that case, Smith might stay. Otherwise, he would leave by his own choice. He has been jerked around enough by this organization and bad coaching.
gruden makes the most sense, has a superbowl under his belt, under walsh regime, west coast guy. bring on the chucky dolls!!
Mooch or Gruden = Garcia/Hasselbeck as the starting qb next year

I;d be down for that as long as we draft a qb to develop