How do you rate Jimmy Raye as an NFL OC? | Page 4

Jul 9, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Ceadderman
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Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Finish this sentence: "Jimmy Raye strikes fear in the heart of ________________"

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

"Hi, I'm a gay face and my mom gave me anal with robot parts.. I built a gold robot!"

"Super, Vernon is for what give Gore! Me on brought points!"

"ZOING!"

"Fizzleee..."

"Power converters!!!"

~Ceadder

Jul 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM

#47

NCommand
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Originally posted by Dominate:
For the type of players we have he fits well. Not many OCs can utilize a TE the way Raye has done with VD. There are better OCs out there but not all of them fit our structure.

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I'm not so sure on this one. I'm stoked we finally have an OC that utilized Davis for sure but let's also be real....it was the same exact seam route and teams finally started to get some game-film on it and it lead to some turnovers too. It's going to be very very difficult to have that same success this year.

I look at it this way, where else was Smith going to throw the ball to get those 13tds that VD got? Nobody else was capable last year. Vernon is our best player and we need to get him the ball to win games. As far as the seam route goes, thats all by design. Over the LBs and in front of the safties. If the safties try and cheat down on Vern this year we just send a WR over the top to his vacated area. Not easy to stop at all, especially with guys like Crabs and a burner like Ginn.

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As far as fitting his players? Had Hill played all 16 games under Martz, he would have been a top 5 QB in yards with the likes of Drew Brees. Guys such as Morgan, Jason Hill and Bruce excelled in the spread. When Singletary pulled back the reigns a bit, he was effectively able to utilize more balance AND Gore got his yards. Our o-line looked better.

Yards yes, he would have had a ton but he wouldnt have gotten enough TDs to go with it. Especially while not using your best offensive weapon.

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Then last year, Smith came in, we drafted Crabtree. Suddenly, we had a team destined for the spread that also had Gore as our Marshall Faulk.

Instead, we forced our spread team into an cowbell, predictable offense they were not designed for by putting up 5 OL against 8 middle blitzing run defenders, praised Morgan as "a blocker," and then subsequently drafted two more enormous OL, another power "cowbell" RB and a blocking TE.

So, like we did under Nolan, are we trying to fit a square peg into a round hole again? Both Singletary and Raye have their "run at will" players so this year, will we see a balance of more gun and run, run and gun, mostly run, mostly gun or are we going to force feed our personnel into something they never were again?

If you look at all of our offensive players, ask yourself how many fit the spread (e.g. see Superbowl winners, the Saints) and how many truly fit the cowbell offense. My contention that even WITH the rookie OL, TE & power back, we are STILL better suited to be a pass-first, spread offense coupled with a balanced Gore attack esp. in the second half. And THIS is something every Niner fan can relate to (e.g. formally known as a WCO).

But under Singletary/Raye....THIS is the year to prove their ability to adjust to our players strengths OR show their stubborness and outdated philosophy on offense.

THIS is the year the coaches have no more excuses (e.g. see blame of OL last year).

To be perfectly fair, we didnt know what we had last year. Crabs sat out to begin the season. Vern was starting to be called a bust and our Oline was terrible. Our starting WRs to open the season last year was Bruce(who retired before the season even ended) and Morgan who showed a lil promise but not much else. We didnt really implement the spread becuase it wasnt till about week 10 that we realized we had the talent to run it. And after week ten you cant just change the whole offense to something that nobody is familiar with. Thats just not a good idea for a number of reasons.

I agree though, this year the coaches have no excuses. If we dont come out firing TDs in the 1st half and then unleashing Gore and the ground game the 2nd half to wear down our opposition then something would need to be done. I`d say Sing would need to be fired for not utilizing his obvious offensive strengths. But they get a pass on last year and last year only.

As always, excellent post and I totally agree with the last sentence!

Jul 9, 2010 at 2:30 PM

#48

9erfanAUS
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Less than average.

And most of that sentiment stems from his playcalling. It definitely leaves a lot to be desired. He needs to recognize when to take stupid plays out of the playbook - e.g the Taser crap that we kept running. There is a definite need to be less predictable and more creative.

He can make decent adjustments at half time but fails to make major changes when necessary during the game. He also very often has poor opening drives.

-9fA

Jul 10, 2010 at 12:33 AM

#49

hondakillerzx
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i put him at average. i think the line was a big cause for our troubles on offense last year. too many injuries and too much inconsistency. i liked his play calling when alex was given the green light to air it out. its pretty hard to shift offensive philosophy mid season, especially with an offensive line with starters missing. im pretty sure with an offseason to tailor the offense to smiths strengths and a hopefully solidified line his play calling would look a lot better

Jul 10, 2010 at 1:32 AM

#50

Kolohe
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Kinda reminded me of Hawaii's offense at one point. When we were in the Shotgun we passed, when we were in I-Formation we ran. Little bit predictable if you ask me, so I'd say average at best.

Jul 10, 2010 at 2:33 AM

#51

Gore_21
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Probably the only thing making him average or slightly above average is his FORTY REPEAT 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

Jul 10, 2010 at 8:35 AM

#52

carlgo
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He is who we thought he would be.

He was hired by Sing to be who he is.

This is The Year for Raye, for Sing, for Smith. Or, it should be. Who knows if the young owner would have the guts to fire them all if they fail.

Jul 10, 2010 at 8:46 AM

#53

TheXFactor
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like 5 out of 10

Jul 10, 2010 at 10:09 AM

#54

fly15
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He sleeps to much during the game

Jul 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM

#55

drunk49er
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Originally posted by HaiGuise:
I don't have any facts or figures, but I'd say close to the bottom. But he fits the bill because he won't be applying for any HC gigs anytime soon.

27th ranked offense, there's a fact that'll back up that allegation. Downright awful.

Jul 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM

#56

Dominate
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Originally posted by LloydsKittyKat:
Originally posted by HaiGuise:
I don't have any facts or figures, but I'd say close to the bottom. But he fits the bill because he won't be applying for any HC gigs anytime soon.
27th ranked offense, there's a fact that'll back up that allegation. Downright awful.

Crabs sat out to begin the season. Vern was starting to be called a bust and our Oline was terrible. Our starting WRs to open the season last year was Bruce(who retired before the season even ended) and Morgan who showed a lil promise but not much else.

Yeah, thats Rayes fault

If anything Raye is the reason we actually looked like an NFL offense the 2nd half of the season.

Jul 10, 2010 at 11:04 AM

#57

DaRealMzo
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Too predictable therefore he is at the bottom. We also need a better QB coach while we are at it.

Jul 10, 2010 at 11:11 AM

#58

drunk49er
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Originally posted by Dominate:
Originally posted by LloydsKittyKat:
Originally posted by HaiGuise:
I don't have any facts or figures, but I'd say close to the bottom. But he fits the bill because he won't be applying for any HC gigs anytime soon.
27th ranked offense, there's a fact that'll back up that allegation. Downright awful.

Crabs sat out to begin the season. Vern was starting to be called a bust and our Oline was terrible. Our starting WRs to open the season last year was Bruce(who retired before the season even ended) and Morgan who showed a lil promise but not much else.

Yeah, thats Rayes fault

If anything Raye is the reason we actually looked like an NFL offense the 2nd half of the season.

Thanks for all the excuses

Jul 10, 2010 at 11:20 AM

#59

Dominate
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Originally posted by LloydsKittyKat:
Originally posted by Dominate:
Originally posted by LloydsKittyKat:
Originally posted by HaiGuise:
I don't have any facts or figures, but I'd say close to the bottom. But he fits the bill because he won't be applying for any HC gigs anytime soon.
27th ranked offense, there's a fact that'll back up that allegation. Downright awful.

Crabs sat out to begin the season. Vern was starting to be called a bust and our Oline was terrible. Our starting WRs to open the season last year was Bruce(who retired before the season even ended) and Morgan who showed a lil promise but not much else.

Yeah, thats Rayes fault

If anything Raye is the reason we actually looked like an NFL offense the 2nd half of the season.

Thanks for all the excuses

Thanks for showing me you are not someone to discuss football with.

Jul 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM

#60

Psinex
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Come on, let's be real. The only reason why we hired Jimmy Raye is so that we could keep the same coordinator for several years without any risk of him leaving. He's more likely to retire than to join another team.

His play calling leaves much to be desired. I've never seen such predictable playcalling apart from Laminate Playbook Boy, who I think was actually a disciple of Raye, if you can believe that. A watered down version of Jimmy Raye.