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Manny Lawson's worth

Manny has been a decent player for the Niners, but he has not proven he is worth that kind of money. I hate to see him go..............
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
he is like an 83 if you play madden.

He can be replaced if he so choses to be a problem:

We have Brooks and Haralson and an up and coming Dyrell Briggs

Haralson is ROLB and Manny is LOLB. If anyone is ineffective it's Haralson. Brooks is solid but he is better on the Right than the Left because of Justin Smith. Yes Brooks plays Left too but he's better suited to be on the QBs' blindside which helps him get to the QB.

Pull up the film from last season, Manny was always in the picture someplace on the field.

And NO SHAT we can't sign everyone peeps. But we can sign quite a bit of them. Including Manny. It's because of Manny and ABF, that Icebox can get in on the plays as much as he does. Remove Manny and our Pass Rushing OLB Brooks would be a liability to the screen on the Left. More screens went where last season? To the QBs' blind side that's where. Victimizing Haralson more than any of them. Yeah some came Manny's way. No disputing that. But the bulk of them went to the opposing's Left.

I like how PH isn't even expendable in this argument. To me he's the weakest link in the unit. Well okay Mckilliop is. But he was a Rook last year. He's SUPPOSED to be. Briggs is untested.

So the odd man out should be PH, if people have been paying attention.

So I guess that people understand that $15 million guaranteed is probably the contract that Manny gets? So how is he not signable for the full $40 million? You know he's not going to make that with this team, so I don't get all the "good riddance " attitudes that I'm seeing here.

Actually both players are pretty decent but statistically Manny was better last season.

He led all LBs' with 6.5 sacks. If our Defense comes in with a chip on their shoulder, like I expect them to Manny is primed for a HUGE year.

~Ceadder
[ Edited by Ceadderman on May 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM ]
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
he is like an 83 if you play madden.

He can be replaced if he so choses to be a problem:

We have Brooks and Haralson and an up and coming Dyrell Briggs

Haralson is ROLB and Manny is LOLB. If anyone is ineffective it's Haralson. Brooks is solid but he is better on the Right than the Left because of Justin Smith. Yes Brooks plays Left too but he's better suited to be on the QBs' blindside which helps him get to the QB.

Pull up the film from last season, Manny was always in the picture someplace on the field.

And NO SHAT we can't sign everyone peeps. But we can sign quite a bit of them. Including Manny. It's because of Manny and ABF, that Icebox can get in on the plays as much as he does. Remove Manny and our Pass Rushing OLB Brooks would be a liability to the screen on the Left. More screens went where last season? To the QBs' blind side that's where. Victimizing Haralson more than any of them. Yeah some came Manny's way. No disputing that. But the bulk of them went to the opposing's Left.

I like how PH isn't even expendable in this argument. To me he's the weakest link in the unit. Well okay Mckilliop is. But he was a Rook last year. He's SUPPOSED to be. Briggs is untested.

So the odd man out should be PH, if people have been paying attention.

So I guess that people understand that $15 million guaranteed is probably the contract that Manny gets? So how is he not signable for the full $40 million? You know he's not going to make that with this team, so I don't get all the "good riddance " attitudes that I'm seeing here.

Actually both players are pretty decent but statistically Manny was better last season.

He led all LBs' with 6.5 sacks. If our Defense comes in with a chip on their shoulder, like I expect them to Manny is primed for a HUGE year.

~Ceadder

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think people are still blinded by what Haralson did in 2008. Fact is Manny brings more to the team. And even if he never develops into the pass rusher we hoped for him to be, he still brings more. I'm sick of people labeling Lawson a bust just because he hasn't developed into exactly what he was drafted for. Sometimes you get something different that you hadn't expected.

I say resign him to a fair deal. If any LB needs to go, its Haralson (and no I don't think he should be let go either).
I tend to think that players should be paid based on performance, not potential.

(What a concept)

Based on statistics from ProFootballFocus (Football Outsiders also does player stat analysis, but doesn't drill down to the level of OLB's), Manny is the 9th best OLB in the league. Better than Kampman, better than Dumervil.

Here's the link: http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Personally, I think Manny's a good asset to the team and shouldn't be jerked around in the press, or on the 'zone. I don't know about his agent...and I don't care. I just hope that Parag can sort it out and that the 49ers keep Manny.

He's a player.
Journeyman player = journeyman contract.
Originally posted by Yetiman:
I tend to think that players should be paid based on performance, not potential.

(What a concept)

Based on statistics from ProFootballFocus (Football Outsiders also does player stat analysis, but doesn't drill down to the level of OLB's), Manny is the 9th best OLB in the league. Better than Kampman, better than Dumervil.

Here's the link: http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Personally, I think Manny's a good asset to the team and shouldn't be jerked around in the press, or on the 'zone. I don't know about his agent...and I don't care. I just hope that Parag can sort it out and that the 49ers keep Manny.

He's a player.

That source also has Vernon Davis as the 57th best TE. Are we really to believe that as well? That site has its uses, but ya gotta take it with a grain of salt.
I'm over Manny Lawson. I had high hopes for him like every one else, but he's not worth a top tier NFL linebacker contract. He's a good player. He's better than average. I say offer him a better than average contract... a good contract. But not an elite one.
Pay for performance. Not potential.
I am thinking why most of ppl are huge fan of Lawson? I undy it. u know? Lawson is playing for part time when he had no injured it sometime. If Lawson is playing for full time when he would turn an Injured it that his plm for health. If He wanna 40 millions why he played a part time? mehhh..
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Yetiman:
I tend to think that players should be paid based on performance, not potential.

(What a concept)

Based on statistics from ProFootballFocus (Football Outsiders also does player stat analysis, but doesn't drill down to the level of OLB's), Manny is the 9th best OLB in the league. Better than Kampman, better than Dumervil.

Here's the link: http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Personally, I think Manny's a good asset to the team and shouldn't be jerked around in the press, or on the 'zone. I don't know about his agent...and I don't care. I just hope that Parag can sort it out and that the 49ers keep Manny.

He's a player.

That source also has Vernon Davis as the 57th best TE. Are we really to believe that as well? That site has its uses, but ya gotta take it with a grain of salt.


Well, I saw that about Vernon and thought I'd pass on mentioning it since this was a thread on Manny.

Football Outsiders also has Vernon rated out of the top echelon of tight ends. Not as low as Football Focus, but lower than you'd think for a guy that caught 13 TD's and is considered the top blocking TE in the game.

I like Vernon. He's come to be a team leader and Captain after kind of a rough start. Frankly, I hope the 49ers sign both Manny and Vernon to extended contracts. But for money based on their actual, measurable performances to date rather than blue sky. Put incentives in the contracts for statistical leadership, Pro Bowl and All-Pro selection. But don't throw money at them for something they haven't done yet...that's the whole problem with the rookie pay scale.

And the subject for another thread.
Originally posted by BuZzB28:
I am thinking why most of ppl are huge fan of Lawson? I undy it. u know? Lawson is playing for part time when he had no injured it sometime. If Lawson is playing for full time when he would turn an Injured it that his plm for health. If He wanna 40 millions why he played a part time? mehhh..

Wot?
Originally posted by Yetiman:
I tend to think that players should be paid based on performance, not potential.

(What a concept)

Based on statistics from ProFootballFocus (Football Outsiders also does player stat analysis, but doesn't drill down to the level of OLB's), Manny is the 9th best OLB in the league. Better than Kampman, better than Dumervil.

Here's the link: http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Personally, I think Manny's a good asset to the team and shouldn't be jerked around in the press, or on the 'zone. I don't know about his agent...and I don't care. I just hope that Parag can sort it out and that the 49ers keep Manny.

He's a player.

If Lawson is the 9th best OLB then we have 3 of the top 9 OLBs in the NFL.
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Probably nothing more than backup money.

-9fA

He has no pass rush value. Backup money for a backup at best.

Do you know who lead the team in sacks last year Mayo?

I know, Memphis we still need to upgrade that position though.
Originally posted by ads_2006:

This pretty much sums our opinions up hahaha. Aug where are you
Manny should only get paid what Haralson gets paid. Relatively the same contract. He has not lived up to his potential has a 1st rd pick. He doesn't deserve a Calvin Pace contract. Let some other team over spend on him. Pace has not lived up to that contract and neither will Manny.

If Manny wants to hold out, I say trade him. I am more then comfortable with Brooks, Haralson and LaBoy at OLB this year.

If the Niners want more competition, we have options: FA Adalius Thomas & Trading for Shawn Merriman
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Manny has to prove that that ACL is back to where it was prior to the injury. It must be tough for him because he's spent the last few years trying to prove he can stay on the field.
[ Edited by mayo63 on May 17, 2010 at 6:51 AM ]