Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Yep, it's a head-scratcher why they haven't given Baas serious reps at C 'til now. I think he's just more naturally suited to it over OG. He can be a beast at that position...given the proper coaching and reps. Heitmann's injury just may've extended his Niner career. It should also hasten the departure of Wallace...
I don't see it as a head scratcher. Baas has had plenty of years (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010) to show that he is the starting center for this team. For years in camp, he has practiced at center, in front of multiple head coaches, multiple offensive coordinators, multiple offensive line coaches. He is simply inferior to Heitmann at center, and inferior to Iupati at guard. Otherwise, we would have seen Baas as a starter at center at some point.
Baas is getting his chance to start right now. But, let's be realistic. He is holding the spot down until Heitmann returns. The best he can do is impress the team enough to replace Rachal or Iupati if they start the season slowly.
That a handful of Webzone board members believe they are so much more intelligent than all these coaches and scouts for all these years is either laughable or insanely arrogant.
That is why I respond. I am not prepared to call all of these coaches idiots for their naivity, especially when they daily see each player in the trenches, something that none of us have access to.
So, all those years that Baas was out with injury (two, I believe), or playing Guard, not Center (the other three), he was actually practicing EVERY DAY, at Center, so that the coaching staff could be absolutely SURE that he's not as good a center as Heitmann.
Who knew? Besides you, that is.
Really, Maddog, some of your statements, like the bolded above, are beyond asinine. They're really baseless, and dumb.
"He is simply inferior to Heitmann at center . . . [o]therwise we would have seen Baas as a starter at center at some point."
An excellent display of circuitous reasoning. Almost Yogi Berra like. ("Money, its like cash!")
BTW, in case you haven't noticed: we are
seeing Baas as a starter at center. At this
According to your reasoning, he must, therefore, be better than Heitmann at center. Because he's now the starter there.
That's just really faulty logic, either way you argue it.
How about, instead of relying on the media, or on what you think (or make up) about what the coaches believe, let's just have the coaches make the final decision.
In the meantime, however, on this board--which surprisingly doesn't appear to have much effect on any actual coaching decisions--how about we simply express our opinions based on what we have actually seen, either live or on TV, and let it go at that.
Oh, and stop calling other posters idiots simply because their opinion of a player's actual performance doesn't agree with your own. Especially since you do not, and apparently cannot, point to a single instance of outstanding play by Heitmann to counter the numerous instances where his play has been below par.
The Rocky Bernard "whiff" for example.
The Dallas game two years ago when he got pushed back into the backfield, on two plays, once to destroy a shovel pass to Gore in the red zone, and again on a play when he was pushed back into a pulling Baas and completely destroyed a trap play.
The Minnesota game last year when he failed, miserably, to get a one foot push on a DT to allow Coffee to gain six inches for a first down in the last two minutes to keep possession, preserve the lead, and WIN the ballgame. Instead he got pushed backwards a foot or two and we had to punt the ball to Favre, who then had time to throw that godawful touchdown.
Give me a single instance of Heitmann's shining play to counter any of these. A single instance, at a crucial point in a game, when the Niners were able to gain that short yard, or less, on a fourth down. A single instance where he threw a key block.
Its a given that he's capable of making line calls. Its a given that he can pass protect somewhat in the first quarter, on a relatively meaningless second down.
But when and where has his play been really outstanding? (Being voted captain is not what I'm talking about. Neither is being voted Miss Congeniality.)
You say you watch the line play, and focus on the center play. Surely you can recall a play when he blocked low on a NG, allowing Gore to dive for a crucial TD? No?
When and where has he picked up a blitzing LB and given a QB that extra second to make a critical throw?
Give us an instance of his play (not what someone else says about him, or what you think the coaches think about him) that shows he's not too weak to consistently hold up the middle of the line, either in pass protection or on running plays. When's the last time, if ever, he's flattened an opposing player?
None of this will, of course, influence any coaching decisions about the center position once Heitmann returns.
But at least we will all get to air our own, individual opinions ABOUT THE PLAY WE SEE ON THE FIELD DURING GAMES without your gratuitous and self-serving insults regarding the intelligence of other posters. Thank you very much, in advance.