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No sacks allowed in 2nd half

Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
Originally posted by Cuphalffull:
Our O-line is still a problem. That last play could have been huge if Smith had just another .5 seconds to set and throw....


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The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line.
The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line.
The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line.
The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line.
The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line. The problem IS the O-line.

Hill was effective until getting beat to a pulp because the O-line sucks. The same thing will happen to Alex. The problem IS THE O-LINE!

So if Hill would have gone in the second half, would he have thrown 3 tds? NOPE!dont know if you noticed but Jimmy Raye opened up his playbook because of Smith's ability to THROW the ball not PUNT-LIKE-THROW the ball. Dude, Hill hadnt thrown 1 ball with 5 yrs in the league. He's a career back-up dude.
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by SanFranAddic:

Hill was effective until getting beat to a pulp because the O-line sucks. The same thing will happen to Alex. The problem IS THE O-LINE!

I think Alex watches game after game as Hill becames more and more jumpy, he wasn't last season. And Alex says to himself - you rush right in my face, and I'm still completing that pass. Hill was just thinking about getting killed out there. And 'noodle arm' couldn't rifle it out.

Teams will now prepare for Smith. They know he was Hill a few years ago, jumpy as anything because he was always under pressure. A guy who would throw a five yd pass - three yds. If this 'new' Alex welcomes the pressure, it will be a different outcome.

But if they don't have the O-line that can pass protect - what did Walsh teach us? Mooove the line. Get mobile out there. Try something called a 'Walsh' coast offense. Whatever the origins, the final version started in SF.

Is cover-2 really that invincible?


I hope so.

Maybe he figures he already has been through the worst injury a QB can have, so anything else he can deal with. I think the shoulder injury may have been a blessing in disguise for Smith. He finally was given the opportunity to sit back and watch, and now he doesnt seem afraid to be hit. If he plays like he did yesterday for the rest of the season the guy is going to shut all the critics up and carry this team to the playoffs.

If he has shown anything at all this season, he has shown he has heart. He took a smaller contract to prove himself, he showed a couple different times in pre-season that he is not afraid to hit or be hit (just ask Greg Ellis), and yesterday he showed he has the will to put the team on his back and carry them.

It was interesting what Vernon Davis said after the game. I cant remember where I saw it, but I read a quote that was something like, "I wasnt surprised. When he came in I knew what he was going to do".

Battle also said, "It's a long time coming. He's gone through a lot. Hopefully, even though we lost we can build on this, especially as an offensive unit, and come out swinging earlier in games."

Sounds like some of these guys have already been pulling for this to happen.
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I think we need to pay OL more money than QB's, WR's, RB's, DL's, LB's and DB's. It all starts with the OL. They protect QB's that throws to WR's or RB's. I always believe it starts with the OL and they deserve more money than all the divas!!!
Time to activate Alex Boone from the PS and see what he can do. I'm really hoping atleast one of our two first round picks is an OL. Hopefully a RT!
Originally posted by Hammerthrow99:
Time to activate Alex Boone from the PS and see what he can do. I'm really hoping atleast one of our two first round picks is an OL. Hopefully a RT!

I don't think Boone is ready, but would be willing to have him move up. I don't want to spend either of our 1st two picks on a ROT. We have a few other pressing needs like OLB and Safety.
Originally posted by ziggy_gonna_rock:
Some O line changes were made but can u consider them major ? Other than Wragge making a cameo everyone else was the same .

Alex Smith is more mobile has the ability to slip away like we have seen him do it especially in the 06 Seattle game .

So either our O line is good enough as long as a QB is mobile
or Alex makes everyone better.

dude they have not planed for him , watch the colts what they are going to do to him , before we crown him lett him start a full game and the other teams plan to defend him then we can talk about it !
The OLINE is bad, everyone agrees to that, including the OLINE!
If in one quarter there are no sacks, maybe the OLINE wasn't on the field, or we had a mobile QB or someone got rid of the ball very quickly.
If we had no sacks, the credit cannot go to "THIS" OLINE.
obviously pressure is what caused that desperation pass that ended up an interception. with hill in there in the 2nd half i guarantee you he would've run right into a sack
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Originally posted by Cuphalffull:
Our O-line is still a problem. That last play could have been huge if Smith had just another .5 seconds to set and throw. The supposed increase in production by the O line in not allowing a sack was for two reasons that I saw,

1. Alex’s mobility. He escaped several potential sacks that would have crushed Hill
2. Alex’s ability to complete the deep routes. The D could not blitz like crazy because Alex was beating them with his arm requiring them to put more guys in coverage. Hence 3-4 rushing compared with 5-7.

Our O line really needs some work but Smith did appear to make them look a lot better.

I mentioned in another thread VD looked like he'd beaten the coverage on the last play and the throw was a little short , not bagging on Smith for it , just saying
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by Hammerthrow99:
Time to activate Alex Boone from the PS and see what he can do. I'm really hoping atleast one of our two first round picks is an OL. Hopefully a RT!

I don't think Boone is ready, but would be willing to have him move up. I don't want to spend either of our 1st two picks on a ROT. We have a few other pressing needs like OLB and Safety.

That makes no sense. Ya, lets shore the D up a littler better so the O can go on the field and give some sacks and turnovers. Shore up the Oline, make it better, keep the O on the field let the D rest on the sidelines.
A QB that can use his legs will always help the OL. Hill is a sitting duck back there and it doesn't help that he has a noodle arm either, cuz now he can throw it away when someone is hanging on to him!!!
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Originally posted by Ninefan56:
We need much work on the Oline. But until the draft we have to patchwork it. So if need be, get another RT off the dump and put him in. Replace Rachal with Wragge. Maybe Boone will soon be ready. But Smith gave us a little relief and no sacks in the second half. Next week will be interesting. If Smith pans out there is hope for the offense, some improvement in the line, more production, more time for the defense to rest, and more points, and more time to get in sync as an offense. Hopefully this will lead to wins in the season.

For the second straight season, i've wanted to see tony out there more. whether it was c or og, he played fairly well. has anyone heard a reason why he hasn't been given a chance?
I think the biggest improvement was installing Wragge, and every coach is going to notice that on the game-film, and interestingly enough Barry Sims was doing a somewhat decent job at the guard position throughout rotations (the guy is a human target at tackle, but maybe guard fits his personality in 'depth' and rotation).

But I won't discount the fact that Alex Smith is a slippery bugger in the pocket. -Even if you look at old film of Alex during the dreadful Kwame Harris years Alex has this versatile ability to shrug off defenders looking for 'arm-tug-fumbles'.

But also... if you look closely at Alex it almost appears as if he's picked up some new tricks since his last outing (possibly from watching other QBs in the NFL).
[ Edited by SnakePlissken on Oct 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Yup, no sacks is what happens when you have crap for an OL, and suddenly you switch to a QB who can get rid of it quicker, plus has some mobility. That still didn't keep Baas from being shoved back into alex on the last play of the game. To repeat:
We have 2 first rd picks, and need two starting OLs, even if one is OG. ADDITIONALLY. we need an all pro OG or OT in FA. There will be one, there almost always is. Last yr it was Faneca, yr before it was Dielman (SD), several yrs before it was Hutchinson (SEA to VIKES), etc. McCLOWN has screwed up by not paying Smiley $5mil/yr as opposed to $4mil/ yr, and now he blocks for the #1 rushing offense in nfl.
Yo scot, when are you gonna wake up and get us 3 starting O linemen. Baas, heitmann, snyder, wragge are all great subs...but not starters. Pashos, Sims...they don't have it either. We need 3, THREE, starters on our OL. Staley is solid, Chilo needs a decent OL coach(we need an all pro OL coach also), and then we need 3 starters. Forget the 2nd and 3rd rds. We need 2 OLs in first rd. And forget the BPA. We already got a shedful of tweeners, that aren't starters. No mas. Please.

Actually Heitmann is one of the better centers in the league.
Originally posted by pakalolo2005:
I think we need to pay OL more money than QB's, WR's, RB's, DL's, LB's and DB's. It all starts with the OL. They protect QB's that throws to WR's or RB's. I always believe it starts with the OL and they deserve more money than all the divas!!!

hmm!! you have good questions with this! I remaind when i was reading the newpapers about cowboys paid the OL more moneys and protect to T. Romo QB with cowboys. I live in Texas but i am still a 49ers fans since 91 all years!