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Whats up with Brandon Jones??

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by toppdogg32:
I kinda posed this question like around the draft time !.. I said at the time we should let Bruce stay at home because we have several young good WR's and a numbers game would prevent us from fully utilizing them.. Nice to see some of you FINALLY seeing it the way I have all along. We should let Bruce retire and let Scurlock walk next year, and we wont have this problem again..!!

I say let Bruce retire next season... or what ever he wants to do...but not here....

I say we still use him this year....I feel he can come up big for us this season if we are trying to get into the playoffs...I just feel Raye is using him wrong (f'n Streaks WTF???)

but next year, I'd like our starters to be....

Crabtree on one side.... Jason Hill on the other.....and Brandon Jones in the slot (unless he out plays Jason Hill)

I feel Morgan is expendable because he is like a poor man's Crabtree... they have almost the same build....but Crabtree seems more like a playmaker....so if we can trade him...good, he could be a good #2 for another team.....if not fine...

Jason Hill is a different type of WR and I believe he would complement Crabtree and this offense with his Speed, route, and catching ability.

I also say we try Spurlock on some KRs this year and if he plays well, keep him for next season....I liked what he did in the preseason....I believe he had 2 passes thrown to him and did a nice job catching them....(I also believe one was a Bullet from Nate)..... I also like his build..... he looks like he can break tackles...short stocky...kinda like Steve Smith but alittle taller.

Here we go again with the Jason Hill love affair. What has he shown that get's you all hot and bothered over him.

Preachin' to the choir, brother. Hill is a guy who was nearly cut during training camp, and still warrants zero attention. He ran a 4.32 forty at the combine, and runs like a 4.60 guy on the football field.

The bottom line is that he will be lucky to be on the team next year. The Niners will probably have their Crabtree, Morgan, Jones trio leading the pack, a rookie or vet punt returner as the fourth WR, and somebody versatile to play the Wildcat like Spurlock as the fifth.

MadDog, I'm ecstatic that we have something to finally agree on after that Crabtree/Parker fiasco. Totally with you on the likely trio of Morgan, Crabtree and Jones with one caveat. Morgan needs to step up and fulfill the promise everyone seemed to see in him. He's underachieved IMHO and can do better. He seems like a good guy and a team player. Now, he just needs to take the next step everyone expected this year. And, if Jones performs like he did in camp, we'd really have something. Of course, Sing also needs to bench Bruce, future HOF'er or not!

I think that once Crabtree hits the field, people are going to see that the team got a pretty damn good bargain with his contract, especially when they begin to compare his stats with DHB's. He obviously is better than anyone on the team, which is pretty scary. If he is this impressive this early, it should be fun to watch him when he knows what he is doing.

Jones needs to quit complaining, raise his game, or be content collecting paychecks and scrubbing the Niners' toilets.

The 81 Jersey is cursed. First, T.O. Then, Brandon Williams. Now, Brandon Jones. Can we just officially burn it in effigy? Bury this thing under the Dallas Cowboys' star, or under Alcatraz.

Cheers.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's over paid and overrated.

Sad thing is he was overpaid and overrated in Tennessee aswell.

Seriously what has the guy ever done to deserve a big contract?

Career Stats more

Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles

G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost

2009 San Francisco 49ers 2 0 0 0 -- -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2008 Tennessee Titans 16 7 41 449 11.0 40 1 2 35 17.5 28 0 -- --
2007 Tennessee Titans 9 2 21 248 11.8 35T 2 2 37 18.5 19 0 1 0
2006 Tennessee Titans 16 10 27 384 14.2 53 4 1 3 3.0 3 0 -- --
2005 Tennessee Titans 10 8 23 299 13.0 38T 2 1 1 1.0 1 0 -- --
TOTAL 112 1,380 12.3 53 9 6 76 12.7 28 0 1 0

http://www.nfl.com/players/brandonjones/profile?id=JON102982

This is a guy whose biggest year is 449 yards and we paid millions and millions for him....


Then you have Jason Hill who had 317 yards last year the great majority of which came in the second half of the season. He didn't play much in the 1st half of the year. So project that out and you are looking at maybe 700 yards receiving for a season. You tell me how it makes any sense that we paid Brandon Jones all this money and Jason Hill never even sees the field?

Receiving
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2009 San Francisco 49ers 2 0 0 -- 0.0 -- 0 0 0 0 0

2008 San Francisco 49ers 16 30 317 10.6 19.8 33 2 5 0 20 1

2007 San Francisco 49ers 5 1 6 6.0 1.2 6 0 0 0 0 0

TOTAL 23 31 323 10.4 14.0 33 2 5 0 20 1

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonhill/careerstats?id=HIL389650


He's overpaid, thats whats up
  • ptw1
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Winners:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ptw1:
Isn't it a good thing for a player, after signing his big contract, wants to contribute? He has seen the struggles on offense and, since he's the second most accomplisged wr on the roster, thinks he can help.

It doesn't matter what WR's is out there if the QB can't get the ball to them

We all know you love Alex Smith, and we all know you don't remember him playing ever (or you'd know he f**king sucks). Do you feel the need to mention it in every thread?

Don't you think if Alex Smith was so great he'd be starting?

the thing that I don't understand about fans who want Alex to start, because of his "ability" to throw the deep ball with "accuracy" and "consistency".....is we haven't seen him play in 2 years....and he, for some reason, didn't connect on 1 or even attempt 1 deep pass in preseason.....you would think he would try to show off his arm..... where as Shaun and Nate both attempted deep passes.....

unfortunately for Shaun his deep pass in preseason came at a time Raye chose to have Robinson run a deep pattern ....as well as Battle....

but at least in the regular season Shaun has shown that he can hit the deep pass with passes to Bruce and one to Morgan..... the other ones didn't go so well...one to Delanie which he gave up on.....and another one to Bruce, who let his man get in front of him (but Bruce made a great play and swatted a potential INT down)

Even the biggest AS supporters aren't saying throw AS in now. I believe their point is Hill should have the same standard place on his as others on the team. AS still has potential. Coming from the offense he ran in college, his learning curve is wide. Throw in the way he was handle and injuries and of course he isn't where everyone would hope. But only a fool would come to a conclusion about his future based on his firsy 30 or starts.
Originally posted by ptw1:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Winners:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ptw1:
Isn't it a good thing for a player, after signing his big contract, wants to contribute? He has seen the struggles on offense and, since he's the second most accomplisged wr on the roster, thinks he can help.

It doesn't matter what WR's is out there if the QB can't get the ball to them

We all know you love Alex Smith, and we all know you don't remember him playing ever (or you'd know he f**king sucks). Do you feel the need to mention it in every thread?

Don't you think if Alex Smith was so great he'd be starting?

the thing that I don't understand about fans who want Alex to start, because of his "ability" to throw the deep ball with "accuracy" and "consistency".....is we haven't seen him play in 2 years....and he, for some reason, didn't connect on 1 or even attempt 1 deep pass in preseason.....you would think he would try to show off his arm..... where as Shaun and Nate both attempted deep passes.....

unfortunately for Shaun his deep pass in preseason came at a time Raye chose to have Robinson run a deep pattern ....as well as Battle....

but at least in the regular season Shaun has shown that he can hit the deep pass with passes to Bruce and one to Morgan..... the other ones didn't go so well...one to Delanie which he gave up on.....and another one to Bruce, who let his man get in front of him (but Bruce made a great play and swatted a potential INT down)

Even the biggest AS supporters aren't saying throw AS in now. I believe their point is Hill should have the same standard place on his as others on the team. AS still has potential. Coming from the offense he ran in college, his learning curve is wide. Throw in the way he was handle and injuries and of course he isn't where everyone would hope. But only a fool would come to a conclusion about his future based on his firsy 30 or starts.

I have always agreed with the Bolded part....

like I have said before though is, I like our Oline to just play average before benching Hill, only because I feel he is the best QB in our depth chart that can win us close games (like how Sing likes to play).....and get us to the playoffs....

it doesn't mean that if Hill struggles most of the season because of the Oline, to still leave him there....but if we are out of the playoffs and our Oline is still struggling...then yes bring in the others to see what they can do behind the struggling Oline.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's over paid and overrated.

Sad thing is he was overpaid and overrated in Tennessee aswell.

Seriously what has the guy ever done to deserve a big contract?

Career Stats more

Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles

G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost

2009 San Francisco 49ers 2 0 0 0 -- -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2008 Tennessee Titans 16 7 41 449 11.0 40 1 2 35 17.5 28 0 -- --
2007 Tennessee Titans 9 2 21 248 11.8 35T 2 2 37 18.5 19 0 1 0
2006 Tennessee Titans 16 10 27 384 14.2 53 4 1 3 3.0 3 0 -- --
2005 Tennessee Titans 10 8 23 299 13.0 38T 2 1 1 1.0 1 0 -- --
TOTAL 112 1,380 12.3 53 9 6 76 12.7 28 0 1 0

http://www.nfl.com/players/brandonjones/profile?id=JON102982

This is a guy whose biggest year is 449 yards and we paid millions and millions for him....


Then you have Jason Hill who had 317 yards last year the great majority of which came in the second half of the season. He didn't play much in the 1st half of the year. So project that out and you are looking at maybe 700 yards receiving for a season. You tell me how it makes any sense that we paid Brandon Jones all this money and Jason Hill never even sees the field?

Receiving
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2009 San Francisco 49ers 2 0 0 -- 0.0 -- 0 0 0 0 0

2008 San Francisco 49ers 16 30 317 10.6 19.8 33 2 5 0 20 1

2007 San Francisco 49ers 5 1 6 6.0 1.2 6 0 0 0 0 0

TOTAL 23 31 323 10.4 14.0 33 2 5 0 20 1

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonhill/careerstats?id=HIL389650




Brandon Jones + Arnez Battle - Experience + FAT CASH!
He's terrible, that's whats up.
Originally posted by Winners:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ptw1:
Isn't it a good thing for a player, after signing his big contract, wants to contribute? He has seen the struggles on offense and, since he's the second most accomplisged wr on the roster, thinks he can help.

It doesn't matter what WR's is out there if the QB can't get the ball to them

We all know you love Alex Smith, and we all know you don't remember him playing ever (or you'd know he f**king sucks). Do you feel the need to mention it in every thread?

Don't you think if Alex Smith was so great he'd be starting?

Did I mention any QB names? Not that I know of so stop swinging on Hill's nutsack and learn to read. It doesn't matter if Hill starts or if Alex starts or even it Nate Davis starts WE as in the team do not have a QB that can get the ball to the WR's. Maybe in your blind love for swinging on Hill's nutsack you forgot to actually pay attention to what is happening on the field.
Originally posted by znk916:
He's terrible, that's whats up.

BJ was brought here because he is a speed receiver. He's the one who's supposed to streach the defense. The problem is that our qb doesn't have the arm to hit him if he breaks open downfield....so the defense doesn't have to honor his speed making him ineffective.
When Crabs gets an instant-starting nod over Jones, you know that Jones just sucks. -He should sit back and stop complaining, and just enjoy his money.
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by znk916:
He's terrible, that's whats up.

BJ was brought here because he is a speed receiver. He's the one who's supposed to streach the defense. The problem is that our qb doesn't have the arm to hit him if he breaks open downfield....so the defense doesn't have to honor his speed making him ineffective.

He's terrible, stop trying to rationalize it.
  • B650
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Well, I think what happened is that the offense already had a VD to begin with, but now with the addition of Crabs, the team can't afford any more BJs. It'll only make things worse.
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by znk916:
He's terrible, that's whats up.

BJ was brought here because he is a speed receiver. He's the one who's supposed to streach the defense. The problem is that our qb doesn't have the arm to hit him if he breaks open downfield....so the defense doesn't have to honor his speed making him ineffective.

He's terrible, stop trying to rationalize it.

  • B650
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by znk916:
He's terrible, that's whats up.

BJ was brought here because he is a speed receiver. He's the one who's supposed to streach the defense. The problem is that our qb doesn't have the arm to hit him if he breaks open downfield....so the defense doesn't have to honor his speed making him ineffective.

He's terrible, stop trying to rationalize it.


Brandon Jones doesn't look like a burner on the field. I think we have other WRs who can stretch the field, but they're on the bench for unknown reasons.
Originally posted by B650:
Well, I think what happened is that the offense already had a VD to begin with, but now with the addition of Crabs, the team can't afford any more BJs. It'll only make things worse.

are you going to be here all week?