Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by cNiner:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by NinerFaithful:
We need to bring back Jeff Garica, even at his age he's better than all our QB combined.He has valuable experience and a former pro-bowler, he can take the reins until next years draft or until Davis or Smith mature.
that's what you got out of that article? how bizarre.
it tells me a lot about sing that, he has no clue about Offenses, cuz he said that Garcia not much of unupgrade from hill. Then again i don't think Tom Brady will not do well behind our OL.
Ray is the problem and the OL , Hill will give less cuz of his arm. he had a weak arm last year, hill won with his weak ass arm last year , this year but not with this week ass play calling and OL.
I understand the argument...but ask Rodgers about playing behind a garbage Oline....He's still winning games and putting up good numbers...or ask Rothlisberger about Garbage Olines...oh yeah he won the superbowl despite the poor play upfront. I undestand it takes the whole unit in order to be successful but...good QB's can make plays despite the obstacles...face it Hill does not fit in that category....
Preach on brotha. I say the exact same thing, and i'm including stats. i wanna put that bad o-line all their fault excuse to rest right now, by showing qb's with the most sacks, their record, and their td, and yards;
Top leaders in Sacks which means horrible o-lines, like our fans say, so i'm using our own reasons that it's all the o-line to see if any other teams are being productive while gettin sacked all the time.
1. Rodgers: 25 sacks, 8tds, 1456 yards, 291.2yds game., rating, 104.1, record 3-2
2. Big Ben : 16 sacks, 10tds, 1887yds, 314.5yds game, rating 104.5, record 4-2
3. Shaun Hill: 16 sacks, 5tds, 898 yards, 179.6yds game, rating 80.7, record 3-2
Now i used Roth and Rodgers, because they are all on teams with horrible o-lines, and are winning teams just like us. The proof is in the numbers, depite the hurries out the pocket, despite protection breaking down. Big Ben led the league in getting sacked last year with 46, but hmmmm, didnt they win the superbowl. I'm just saying lets stop with all the o-line excuses. and it's all the 0line.
yes hill has produced as i will continue to say, but i dont think he's done enough for our team to be successful. Good QB's make the throws and the plays even when the line breaks down, as you can see above.
on top of both of them having better, faster WRs that can stretch the field.....I think when looking at stats like these....I think to be fair, you also have to look at the # of attempts......so
through 6 games Big Ben has 207 attempts
through 5 games Rodgers has 164 attempts
through 5 games Shaun has 144 attempts (20 less attempts than Rodgers..that's almost like one game)
With Martz last year, he had our offense attacking the defense through passes at any down.......this year it seems we only use the pass if couldn't get the first down, after running it 2 straight times.......then we try to pass more (as far as attacking) when we are behind in the game.
I wouldn't mind if we were less predictable on offense....I think this also would help the Oline against blitzers and pass rushers......and the Oline can use all the help it can get.
You know what Brotha Afrikan, your right, about the number of attempts. But riddle me this, if we didnt lead the league in 3 and outs, wouldn't those numbers be different. A sustained drive is probably why they have all those stats. So why i agree with you on the attempts, it really doesnt hold too much merit in my opinion and fact that there are other teams who's line is worse then ours and they can still produce.
And with the WR's. I'm lost too. Not saying it's just you, but ver the years this is the one area that at the beginning of the year most was saying was strong as hell. When Bruce caught more than 3 passes, he's gettin it done. When Morgan got a TD, he's gonna be sumthin. Now all of a sudden, the WR group according to some it just as bad as in 05 and 06, which regardless it's much better than any group we've had in the past 5 years. So i mean damn, everytime someone falters it's like they go out there way to point the finger at everyone else, except where it should be pointed.
But i mean dont you see what i mean. Before this season, Hill's the man, he can get it done, put up great numbers, best WR group we've had in a while. Then after a few losses, NOW all the people that were riding the wave now, are the same one's saying we have a bad WR group, is our running game that good, now questioning if Hill is really as good as the picture painted. Even with him, he said himself he loved the Raye offense because it was so simple, and that his job is to score TD's period. Dont care about sustained drives, big yardage, his job is to score TD's. And lets be real, he hasnt lived up to what he said his basic job to do is, so then it's that failing at least a little.