From Profootballtalk.com:
"Though we've been told repeatedly that the 49ers still intend to press the matter (after all, the league made an example out of the Niners for talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus about a long-term contract for linebacker Lance Briggs at a time when the Bears were talking to the Niners about a trade for Briggs), the source predicts that the league office will now nudge the 49ers to let it go."
Should we withdraw the tampering charges if the league office suggests? It is interesting that pressure is bearing down on the 49ers. Another helping hand for the Jets?
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Should we let the tampering of Crabtree go, as suggested?
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM
- contrarios
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Oct 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM
- toeknee
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No, if they get away with it they will just do it again
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM
- ads_2006
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If its indeed true,
its affects the whole league, not just the 49ers.
Crabtree was a draft pick, when other teams start interfering with your draft pick (and telling him they will give him a big contract if the player sits out) its going to ruin the league.
its affects the whole league, not just the 49ers.
Crabtree was a draft pick, when other teams start interfering with your draft pick (and telling him they will give him a big contract if the player sits out) its going to ruin the league.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by teeohh:
No, if they get away with it they will just do it again
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM
- matt49er
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Profootball talk is garbage
no way the 9ers should let this go! we got punished for minor tampering and if the Jets are guilty here this is way more major
we need any advantage we can get, our 1st rounder likely will not reach the same level he would have if he would have reported on time, if we are entilted to some compensation like the Bears got or better we need to secure it to make our team better.
no way the 9ers should let this go! we got punished for minor tampering and if the Jets are guilty here this is way more major
we need any advantage we can get, our 1st rounder likely will not reach the same level he would have if he would have reported on time, if we are entilted to some compensation like the Bears got or better we need to secure it to make our team better.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM
- TheFunkyChicken
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Hell no, they shouldn't let this go.
Since we ended up signing Crabtree the penalty probably won't be too severe. But it's still very important that the league takes a stand on this. If they don't, we will see it happen again.
Damn east coast bias.
Since we ended up signing Crabtree the penalty probably won't be too severe. But it's still very important that the league takes a stand on this. If they don't, we will see it happen again.
Damn east coast bias.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM
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Hell No!
Especially since the league didn't do us any favors for a MUCH lesser tampering situation. One where we had an active dialogue with the team in question about a trade and had a gray area situation about finding out the potential terms of a long term contract that would be needed if we did complete the trade.
And we didn't even have the conversation, we just kind of, sort of, tried to have it, but no harm was done.
This has caused serious harm to our team and potentially could have really hurt the whole NFL if we caved and busted the slotting system or if he did hold out and get a better contract from someone else.
The NFL didn't make the Bears drop the charges against us "for the good of the league", so I'll be damned if we should return the favor.
Especially since the league didn't do us any favors for a MUCH lesser tampering situation. One where we had an active dialogue with the team in question about a trade and had a gray area situation about finding out the potential terms of a long term contract that would be needed if we did complete the trade.
And we didn't even have the conversation, we just kind of, sort of, tried to have it, but no harm was done.
This has caused serious harm to our team and potentially could have really hurt the whole NFL if we caved and busted the slotting system or if he did hold out and get a better contract from someone else.
The NFL didn't make the Bears drop the charges against us "for the good of the league", so I'll be damned if we should return the favor.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM
- SybErkRimInAL
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no way the NFL can just let this go. s**t like this can and will effect the NFL draft process forever. They must make an example of the Jets that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM
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I posted the full article in the Jets Tampering thread, but here it is again as it is a good read:
Some think tampering case fueled Crabtree deal
Posted by Mike Florio on October 10, 2009 1:51 PM ET
As the storm of dust continues to settle regarding the decision of Michael Crabtree to show up unannounced in San Fran to work out a new deal, a source with knowledge of the situation believes that the wideout's holdout ended suddenly not because Crabtree was ready to play football but because of the pending tampering case that the 49ers have filed against the Jets.
The source firmly believes that the investigation was beginning to uncover evidence that the Jets had indeed tampered with Crabtree through his agent, Eugene Parker. Indeed, it was Parker and G.M. Mike Tannenbaum who once worked together on an offer sheet that the Patriots would not be able to match when the Jets lured running back Curtis Martin from New England to New York. Per the source, Parker and Tannenbaum continue to have a close and productive working relationship
Moreover, 49ers owner Jed York recently told KNBR in San Francisco (via ESPN.com) that "it was clear there was some evidence that the Jets talked to [Crabtree]," which in and of itself would be proof of tampering.
The thinking is that, as Tannenbaum (and possibly Deion Sanders) began to feel the heat increasing, Tannenbaum (and possibly Deion Sanders) urged Parker to get a deal done.
Though we've been told repeatedly that the 49ers still intend to press the matter (after all, the league made an example out of the Niners for talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus about a long-term contract for linebacker Lance Briggs at a time when the Bears were talking to the Niners about a trade for Briggs), the source predicts that the league office will now nudge the 49ers to let it go.
The argument, the source believes, will be that it's in the best interests of the league for the tampering allegation to go away, since a finding of such dirty deeds accomplished relatively inexpensively hurts the image of the entire league. The fact that this is all happening only a few weeks after the Jets were busted for cheating on the injury report makes an exoneration of the Jets this time around even more important.
So the real question is whether that effort to talk the 49ers into simply being happy that they got their player signed already has begun, and whether such efforts will be successful. In this regard, it's interesting that York already has used the phrase "there was evidence," since this implies that the case either is or will soon be formally closed.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello declined comment via e-mail on Saturday regarding whether the tampering case is still pending.
Regardless of the precise reason, the evidence suggests that the Crabtree deal was done very quickly, with less attention to detail. Last night, we pointed out several aspects of the contract indicating that it possibly was a rush job.
Even if the deal got done because Crabtree decided he was ready to play football, Parker surely would have urged Crabtree to give Parker enough time to ensure that the written document contains all the necessary bells and whistles. That fact that some deficiencies appear in the contract seems to bolster the belief that there was a separate motivation to get Crabtree under contract ASAFP, and that it possibly was related more to killing the tampering case than to getting Crabtree on a football field.
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[ Edited by horsecore on Oct 10, 2009 at 11:27:07 ]
Some think tampering case fueled Crabtree deal
Posted by Mike Florio on October 10, 2009 1:51 PM ET
As the storm of dust continues to settle regarding the decision of Michael Crabtree to show up unannounced in San Fran to work out a new deal, a source with knowledge of the situation believes that the wideout's holdout ended suddenly not because Crabtree was ready to play football but because of the pending tampering case that the 49ers have filed against the Jets.
The source firmly believes that the investigation was beginning to uncover evidence that the Jets had indeed tampered with Crabtree through his agent, Eugene Parker. Indeed, it was Parker and G.M. Mike Tannenbaum who once worked together on an offer sheet that the Patriots would not be able to match when the Jets lured running back Curtis Martin from New England to New York. Per the source, Parker and Tannenbaum continue to have a close and productive working relationship
Moreover, 49ers owner Jed York recently told KNBR in San Francisco (via ESPN.com) that "it was clear there was some evidence that the Jets talked to [Crabtree]," which in and of itself would be proof of tampering.
The thinking is that, as Tannenbaum (and possibly Deion Sanders) began to feel the heat increasing, Tannenbaum (and possibly Deion Sanders) urged Parker to get a deal done.
Though we've been told repeatedly that the 49ers still intend to press the matter (after all, the league made an example out of the Niners for talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus about a long-term contract for linebacker Lance Briggs at a time when the Bears were talking to the Niners about a trade for Briggs), the source predicts that the league office will now nudge the 49ers to let it go.
The argument, the source believes, will be that it's in the best interests of the league for the tampering allegation to go away, since a finding of such dirty deeds accomplished relatively inexpensively hurts the image of the entire league. The fact that this is all happening only a few weeks after the Jets were busted for cheating on the injury report makes an exoneration of the Jets this time around even more important.
So the real question is whether that effort to talk the 49ers into simply being happy that they got their player signed already has begun, and whether such efforts will be successful. In this regard, it's interesting that York already has used the phrase "there was evidence," since this implies that the case either is or will soon be formally closed.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello declined comment via e-mail on Saturday regarding whether the tampering case is still pending.
Regardless of the precise reason, the evidence suggests that the Crabtree deal was done very quickly, with less attention to detail. Last night, we pointed out several aspects of the contract indicating that it possibly was a rush job.
Even if the deal got done because Crabtree decided he was ready to play football, Parker surely would have urged Crabtree to give Parker enough time to ensure that the written document contains all the necessary bells and whistles. That fact that some deficiencies appear in the contract seems to bolster the belief that there was a separate motivation to get Crabtree under contract ASAFP, and that it possibly was related more to killing the tampering case than to getting Crabtree on a football field.
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[ Edited by horsecore on Oct 10, 2009 at 11:27:07 ]
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by matt49er:
Profootball talk is garbage
no way the 9ers should let this go! we got punished for minor tampering and if the Jets are guilty here this is way more major
we need any advantage we can get, our 1st rounder likely will not reach the same level he would have if he would have reported on time, if we are entilted to some compensation like the Bears got or better we need to secure it to make our team better.
PFT didn't suggest that the Niner let it go . . . they believe that the NFL will pressure the Niners to let it go.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM
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i think the first comment on the article sums this up well:
And no, don't drop the charges. People need to quit making secret deals that undermine other teams and proving the jets tampered may help to stem that somewhat.
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"# Garbanzo says: October 10, 2009 2:05 PM
Florio, that all makes sense until you think, and realize, that there really is no reason for pending tampering charges to make Parker do a deal. The punishment goes to the team that did the tampering, not the agent, and it'd be foolish to think a weak GM like Tannenbum could convince an agent of anything."
And no, don't drop the charges. People need to quit making secret deals that undermine other teams and proving the jets tampered may help to stem that somewhat.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:43 AM
- Dr_Gonzo
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No way.
The undeniable argument against letting it go is that we might have had him signed months ago, in camp, being productive, if other teams hadn't been insinuating that he should hold out because they will pay him more. Oh yeah and the little fact that if tampering occurred it was an attempt to circumvent the NFL's draft rules. I don't think the NFL can just let that go.
The undeniable argument against letting it go is that we might have had him signed months ago, in camp, being productive, if other teams hadn't been insinuating that he should hold out because they will pay him more. Oh yeah and the little fact that if tampering occurred it was an attempt to circumvent the NFL's draft rules. I don't think the NFL can just let that go.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM
- okdkid
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Any reasonable person would know that allowing tampering to go unpunished (regardless of how mild) hurts the league far more in the long run than any one time media blitz.
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM
- RedWaltz24
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The NFL didn't pressure the Bears from dropping their tampering charges against the Niners, why should the Niners drop their charges against the Jets?
Oct 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM
- nothing03
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no we can't let go of the tampering even if we wanted to. The complaint was already filed even before Crabtree signed to us. I am guessing that they are on the investigation stage already.