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Singletary Encourages Hill to OPEN IT UP!

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Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

From this standpoint it sounds like Singletary has been encouraging Shaun to open it up

They might have tried that in the last 49er's series in the Vikings game, and the AZ game, and let's not hope also in the Rams or Falcons game, etc.

Singletary sez one thing - but he doesn't necessarily mean it. He says - I want to win. I want winners. But when faced with an opportunity to finish off an opponent in AZ and MN, he whiffed. He played it safe on both sides of the ball for awhile in the latter, and on offense in the former. That can't continue.

I remember Nolan sounded in command and as if he understood the game - first year or so. But as the losses started to mount, and you were getting the same gas from him, it didn't sound so knowledgable or so reassuring anymore. Towards the end, it was actually painful to listen to his same-old speech after a loss.

I hope it never gets that way with Singletary. I thought he'd make a GREAT coach. And the players have rallied to him like they didn't to Nolan. But I'm starting to see a do as I say not as I do, trend.

Anyone think I'm wrong?
It's all up to Jimmy Raye
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
I found an interesting vid containing a small segment from "Coach Speak" on Fox Sports (via youtube) featuring Singletary, and how he feels about Shaun Hill in relation to the offensive system/passing game.

From this standpoint it sounds like Singletary has been encouraging Shaun to open it up (that Mike is fully confident within his QB), and that Shaun (himself) is allowed to do so whenever he feels comfortable enough to spread the field.

So altogether, it really sounds like we're finally going to air it out a lot more, and put more trust into Hill to close games (Singletary may be stubborn, but he never makes the same mistake twice if it costs the team a game).


Oh geez, if that was truly the case all along, then WHY oh why does Shaun have the WORST stats for a starting QB in the NFL?

Don't even mention Raye's name in regards to this cause I will laugh you right out of the conversation. Gimme something logical please, cause the stats just ain't normal.

~Ceadder

Someone has a perchance for hyperbole. Hill has far from the worst stats of any QB in the NFL. Ever heard of the names JaMarcus Russel, Jake Delhome, Byron Leftwich, Brady Quinn, Mark Bulger, Matthew Stafford, David Garrard, Jason Campbell..etc. etc.?

Ummmmm let's see here, no $h|t?

The point is, that Shaun ranks in the bottom of the list in every statistical category. Ranks right with the aforementioned names no less. That's nothing to be proud about. In fact I think that it would get some of us a bit up in arms over that.

But hey if he satisfies you and you can smoke a cigarette when he's finished, who am I to point this stuff out. So did you learn ANYTHING when you were on NFL.com, besides that Shaun is not at the bottom of the list? Or was this little experiment lost on you?

~Ceadder

I'm not sure why you are angry. Bad day?

I was merely pointing out that he was not the worst. You stated not that Hill was one of the worst, but "then WHY oh why does Shaun have the WORST stats for a starting QB in the NFL?"

In fact, he isn't even one of the worst. He is ranked 11th of all QB's in QB rating witih 89.9 out of 32 teams. That is pretty good.

He has only thrown 1 interception, which was mostly the WR's fault for giving up on a route. He is a game manager in a run first offense who steps up when he has too. He isn't Drew Brees, but don't paint him as being worse than he is.

You said you wanted facts, and there they are. Hill's numbers are normal for a run first team and better than many QB's that are in pass first offenses.

That being said, it doesn't seem like you are looking for a conversation, but a reason to be angry. So I am done here. I hope you feel better.
[ Edited by RedWaltz24 on Sep 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM ]
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
I found an interesting vid containing a small segment from "Coach Speak" on Fox Sports (via youtube) featuring Singletary, and how he feels about Shaun Hill in relation to the offensive system/passing game.

From this standpoint it sounds like Singletary has been encouraging Shaun to open it up (that Mike is fully confident within his QB), and that Shaun (himself) is allowed to do so whenever he feels comfortable enough to spread the field.

So altogether, it really sounds like we're finally going to air it out a lot more, and put more trust into Hill to close games (Singletary may be stubborn, but he never makes the same mistake twice if it costs the team a game).


Oh geez, if that was truly the case all along, then WHY oh why does Shaun have the WORST stats for a starting QB in the NFL?

Don't even mention Raye's name in regards to this cause I will laugh you right out of the conversation. Gimme something logical please, cause the stats just ain't normal.

~Ceadder

If Shaun Hill is one of the worst QBs in the NFL, then how do you explain this?

Quote:
After all, Hill is at his best on third downs and in the fourth quarter with passer ratings in the top five in the NFL in those situations. On third downs, Hill has completed 22 of 29 passes (75.9 percent) for 238 yards with a passer rating of 111.


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He's been even better in the fourth quarter, completing 23 of 30 passes (76.7 percent) for 235 yards with two TDs and no interceptions and a passer rating of 120.8.

Gore's Injury Opens Door for Hill to Shine
[ Edited by PTulini on Sep 30, 2009 at 7:11 PM ]
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
I found an interesting vid containing a small segment from "Coach Speak" on Fox Sports (via youtube) featuring Singletary, and how he feels about Shaun Hill in relation to the offensive system/passing game.

From this standpoint it sounds like Singletary has been encouraging Shaun to open it up (that Mike is fully confident within his QB), and that Shaun (himself) is allowed to do so whenever he feels comfortable enough to spread the field.

So altogether, it really sounds like we're finally going to air it out a lot more, and put more trust into Hill to close games (Singletary may be stubborn, but he never makes the same mistake twice if it costs the team a game).


Oh geez, if that was truly the case all along, then WHY oh why does Shaun have the WORST stats for a starting QB in the NFL?

Don't even mention Raye's name in regards to this cause I will laugh you right out of the conversation. Gimme something logical please, cause the stats just ain't normal.

~Ceadder

Someone has a perchance for hyperbole. Hill has far from the worst stats of any QB in the NFL. Ever heard of the names JaMarcus Russel, Jake Delhome, Byron Leftwich, Brady Quinn, Mark Bulger, Matthew Stafford, David Garrard, Jason Campbell..etc. etc.?

Ummmmm let's see here, no $h|t?

The point is, that Shaun ranks in the bottom of the list in every statistical category. Ranks right with the aforementioned names no less. That's nothing to be proud about. In fact I think that it would get some of us a bit up in arms over that.

But hey if he satisfies you and you can smoke a cigarette when he's finished, who am I to point this stuff out. So did you learn ANYTHING when you were on NFL.com, besides that Shaun is not at the bottom of the list? Or was this little experiment lost on you?

~Ceadder

I'm not sure why you are angry. Bad day?

I was merely pointing out that he was not the worst. You stated not that Hill was one of the worst, but "then WHY oh why does Shaun have the WORST stats for a starting QB in the NFL?"

In fact, he isn't even one of the worst. He is ranked 11th of all QB's in QB rating witih 89.9 out of 32 teams. That is pretty good.

He has only thrown 1 interception, which was mostly the WR's fault for giving up on a route. He is a game manager in a run first offense who steps up when he has too. He isn't Drew Brees, but don't paint him as being worse than he is.

You said you wanted facts, and there they are. Hill's numbers are normal for a run first team and better than many QB's that are in pass first offenses.

That being said, it doesn't seem like you are looking for a conversation, but a reason to be angry. So I am done here. I hope you feel better.

ceadder got pwnd!
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
I found an interesting vid containing a small segment from "Coach Speak" on Fox Sports (via youtube) featuring Singletary, and how he feels about Shaun Hill in relation to the offensive system/passing game.

From this standpoint it sounds like Singletary has been encouraging Shaun to open it up (that Mike is fully confident within his QB), and that Shaun (himself) is allowed to do so whenever he feels comfortable enough to spread the field.

So altogether, it really sounds like we're finally going to air it out a lot more, and put more trust into Hill to close games (Singletary may be stubborn, but he never makes the same mistake twice if it costs the team a game).


Oh geez, if that was truly the case all along, then WHY oh why does Shaun have the WORST stats for a starting QB in the NFL?

Don't even mention Raye's name in regards to this cause I will laugh you right out of the conversation. Gimme something logical please, cause the stats just ain't normal.

~Ceadder

Someone has a perchance for hyperbole. Hill has far from the worst stats of any QB in the NFL. Ever heard of the names JaMarcus Russel, Jake Delhome, Byron Leftwich, Brady Quinn, Mark Bulger, Matthew Stafford, David Garrard, Jason Campbell..etc. etc.?

Ummmmm let's see here, no $h|t?

The point is, that Shaun ranks in the bottom of the list in every statistical category. Ranks right with the aforementioned names no less. That's nothing to be proud about. In fact I think that it would get some of us a bit up in arms over that.

But hey if he satisfies you and you can smoke a cigarette when he's finished, who am I to point this stuff out. So did you learn ANYTHING when you were on NFL.com, besides that Shaun is not at the bottom of the list? Or was this little experiment lost on you?

~Ceadder

I'm not sure why you are angry. Bad day?

I was merely pointing out that he was not the worst. You stated not that Hill was one of the worst, but "then WHY oh why does Shaun have the WORST stats for a starting QB in the NFL?"

In fact, he isn't even one of the worst. He is ranked 11th of all QB's in QB rating witih 89.9 out of 32 teams. That is pretty good.

He has only thrown 1 interception, which was mostly the WR's fault for giving up on a route. He is a game manager in a run first offense who steps up when he has too. He isn't Drew Brees, but don't paint him as being worse than he is.

You said you wanted facts, and there they are. Hill's numbers are normal for a run first team and better than many QB's that are in pass first offenses.

That being said, it doesn't seem like you are looking for a conversation, but a reason to be angry. So I am done here. I hope you feel better.

ceadder got pwnd!

Ceaddar is Alex Smith's cousin and always looks to hate. He still thinks we'd be better off with that other scrub we have on the team under center.

Later Ceaddar you did get pwned




And sometimes I have no idea where you get the stuff that you come up with in here. You are way off in left field sometimes man. Nothing against you as a person but as a fan, I just don't get it and please don't try and explain.
When it comes to Singletary opening it up for Hill ....... just show me. I just want to see more balance and less predictability until such time that we really can run at will and get those neccessary 1st downs more consistently.
[ Edited by 49ERGUY on Oct 1, 2009 at 2:35 AM ]
There is a lot to admire about Singletary even if you disagree with him. One example is how he addressed the Kory Sheets thing. Nolan probably would ignore the question no matter how many asked and bs for ages like he was the god of all coaches while he was talking to us dummies. Well Singletary just tells it like it is and no one questions his decision because they know his reasons and they are reasoned good answers. It is no doubt at all why the team backs him. He might make some mistakes but he is man enough to admit it and change if needed. We have seen so many of the former flunkies since Walsh pretend to be something when they were not. He would probably hate being thought this way because many might feel he is being a fake front but you can't hide that sort of thing. You are what you are and I am sure the niners will go a long way under his reign. This run run business too is probably under review, not because of the number of runs or the philosophy but the judgment in those situations that seemed lame.
I think they are going to consider more and better options. Now some would say Nolan would never change until he was fired. I think Nolan was so blinded by his own vision of himself that he might never adapted like Singletary. I think we should also consider that Singletary had two ways to go in his many changes, right or wrong and he hasn't made any wrong ones I can remember other then Cranberry err crapapple or whoever that guy was.
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

From this standpoint it sounds like Singletary has been encouraging Shaun to open it up

They might have tried that in the last 49er's series in the Vikings game, and the AZ game, and let's not hope also in the Rams or Falcons game, etc.

Singletary sez one thing - but he doesn't necessarily mean it. He says - I want to win. I want winners. But when faced with an opportunity to finish off an opponent in AZ and MN, he whiffed. He played it safe on both sides of the ball for awhile in the latter, and on offense in the former. That can't continue.

I remember Nolan sounded in command and as if he understood the game - first year or so. But as the losses started to mount, and you were getting the same gas from him, it didn't sound so knowledgable or so reassuring anymore. Towards the end, it was actually painful to listen to his same-old speech after a loss.

I hope it never gets that way with Singletary. I thought he'd make a GREAT coach. And the players have rallied to him like they didn't to Nolan. But I'm starting to see a do as I say not as I do, trend.

Anyone think I'm wrong?

I agree in a way. We used to always get upset at Nolan for playing it safe and putting the onus on the D to finish the game off. That's exactly what Singletary has done in game 1 and game 3. It worked the first time, so I can see why he thought it would again (and it sure as hell almost did).

I think the main problem with Nolan was how stubborn he was to making a change...stay the course seemed to be his motto even when the obvious solution was right in front of him. Lets see how Singletary plays it out from here on out. I don't see him as the kind of coach who is resistant to change. He knows he has a good defense, but he and Jimmy Raye both have to realize that the offense is going to have to put some games away too.

I expect that if the same situation comes up again, we'll be more likely to go for that game clinching drive instead of leaving it up to the defense.
[ Edited by Leathaface on Oct 1, 2009 at 3:47 AM ]
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

From this standpoint it sounds like Singletary has been encouraging Shaun to open it up

They might have tried that in the last 49er's series in the Vikings game, and the AZ game, and let's not hope also in the Rams or Falcons game, etc.

Singletary sez one thing - but he doesn't necessarily mean it. He says - I want to win. I want winners. But when faced with an opportunity to finish off an opponent in AZ and MN, he whiffed. He played it safe on both sides of the ball for awhile in the latter, and on offense in the former. That can't continue.

I remember Nolan sounded in command and as if he understood the game - first year or so. But as the losses started to mount, and you were getting the same gas from him, it didn't sound so knowledgable or so reassuring anymore. Towards the end, it was actually painful to listen to his same-old speech after a loss.

I hope it never gets that way with Singletary. I thought he'd make a GREAT coach. And the players have rallied to him like they didn't to Nolan. But I'm starting to see a do as I say not as I do, trend.

Anyone think I'm wrong?

I agree in a way. We used to always get upset at Nolan for playing it safe and putting the onus on the D to finish the game off. That's exactly what Singletary has done in game 1 and game 3. It worked the first time, so I can see why he thought it would again (and it sure as hell almost did).

I think the main problem with Nolan was how stubborn he was to making a change...stay the course seemed to be his motto even when the obvious solution was right in front of him. Lets see how Singletary plays it out from here on out. I don't see him as the kind of coach who is resistant to change. He knows he has a good defense, but he and Jimmy Raye both have to realize that the offense is going to have to put some games away too.

I expect that if the same situation comes up again, we'll be more likely to go for that game clinching drive instead of leaving it up to the defense.

Singletary realizes that without Gore the offense is nowhere near as strong as our defense is. It is plain to see that he trusts the defense more than the offense. If we had a big time stud at QB, and an o line that was better at pass blocking, maybe the coaches would take more chances. As it stands now, I feel more confident that the defense will win games than I would having to rely on the offense.
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This is quite obvious, but the OL needs to play better, bottom line.
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Originally posted by servegmo:
yeah I like the running mentality also... today I was watching the game on NFL network rewind and in the drive that we put 3 points in the second half before the punt return for the td... we were running the ball hard, if we can get consistent with that type of running game, the play action and the passing game will benefit tremendously...

I like where we are right know we have to continue to grow after all this is a new offence and we have to take it one game at a time...

go nienrs

I'm very curious why the 49ers are so inconsistent at running the ball. It's frustrating.
Originally posted by carl:
Originally posted by servegmo:
yeah I like the running mentality also... today I was watching the game on NFL network rewind and in the drive that we put 3 points in the second half before the punt return for the td... we were running the ball hard, if we can get consistent with that type of running game, the play action and the passing game will benefit tremendously...

I like where we are right know we have to continue to grow after all this is a new offence and we have to take it one game at a time...

go nienrs

I'm very curious why the 49ers are so inconsistent at running the ball. It's frustrating.

oh I would say they're SUPER consistent with running the ball. In fact, it's so consistent that Raye calls the same damn run plays up the gut
Originally posted by ImaMod:
I was very mad at the loss to the Vikings at the moment, but now to think of it it really benefited us a lot, because if we are in the same situation we probably won't do the same mistake again for example:
We might of went for the 1st down in our second to last possession, which would have put the game away, or any small things like that, it gives Singletary who is basically a Rookie head coach knowledge or wisdom, it teaches him what he should do in a situation and how to play situations like that out, you know what I'm saying?
GO NIners!!

I know what yo sayin.