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What we learned from the Vikings game

Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Chief:
That Shaun Hill the best QB on this team and a solid starter in the NFL.

People are giving Hill way to much credit. He is a decent NFL QB that would be the #2 on most other teams. As soon as the pocket starts to collapse he is finished, he cant scramble due to his lack of mobility.

This is nothing but b@lls**t. Here is a bit more perspective from Matt Barrows ;

Until the end, Favre was being outplayed by Shaun Hill, a former Minnesota third-stringer who threw two touchdown passes to tight end Vernon Davis. The second was a 20-yard toss over three defenders that gave the Niners a 24-20 lead midway through the fourth quarter.

He did all of this behind a crappy beat up Offensive Line with 3rd and long because of Raye........ Hill isn't the problem.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Chief:
That Shaun Hill the best QB on this team and a solid starter in the NFL.

This staement is laughable imo.

Care to elaborate? The guy has a winning record as a starter and put us in a position to win the game against a very tough Minnesota defense.
Originally posted by 49ERGUY:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Chief:
That Shaun Hill the best QB on this team and a solid starter in the NFL.

People are giving Hill way to much credit. He is a decent NFL QB that would be the #2 on most other teams. As soon as the pocket starts to collapse he is finished, he cant scramble due to his lack of mobility.

This is nothing but b@lls**t. Here is a bit more perspective from Matt Barrows ;

Until the end, Favre was being outplayed by Shaun Hill, a former Minnesota third-stringer who threw two touchdown passes to tight end Vernon Davis. The second was a 20-yard toss over three defenders that gave the Niners a 24-20 lead midway through the fourth quarter.

He did all of this behind a crappy beat up Offensive Line with 3rd and long because of Raye........ Hill isn't the problem.

Favre was playing game manager for most of the game and his WR's dropped a lot of passes. When he needed to turn it on he did, Hill doesn't have that kind of QB ability. My statement about scrambling still holds truth, what Favre did at the end Hill doesn't have the physical ability to do.

You can blame Raye for play calling but Hill's abilities can only take him so far. He rarely goes through all of his reads because he has to get the ball out before he gets pressured. Once again, he does not have the ability to move outside the pocket and make plays on the run. That's why he is always throwing into double and triple team coverages. Now you can blame the OL for this, but if a QB isn't mobile that is his fault.
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Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Mark Roman still sucks.

Roman still has some Nowin in him. Classic Nowinism Mark Roman, unable to take it to the next level. Maybe Singletary will beat that out of him yet, although I'm not counting on it.
We were the underdogs in that game. Almost everybody, broadcasters, the NFL gameday crew, analysts, were picking the Vikings over us, which indeed was the turnout, but we practically had that game in the bag.

You all saw what happened within the last 1:45 seconds or so during the game.

One first down and we kill the clock with a couple kneel downs and we win the game.

If Roman just pushed Greg Lewis out of bounds after he caught the ball instead of going to deflect it, we win the game.

Could've, should've, would've... Although I am just as upset as all of you zoners for the loss, I'm glad Vernon Davis showed he could be a gamer. I'm happy Shaun Hill is progressing and proving all you haters wrong.

2-1 is better than 1-2, 0-3.

Let's just take out our frustration on the Rams next week and I'll be happy again.

Go Niners
[ Edited by bigmike55 on Sep 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM ]
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Chief:
That Shaun Hill the best QB on this team and a solid starter in the NFL.

This staement is laughable imo.

Care to elaborate? The guy has a winning record as a starter and put us in a position to win the game against a very tough Minnesota defense.

And without Frank Gore.
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Don't play soft at the end of the game because if you do, you allow the other team to beat you.
Originally posted by jerryricefan80:
Originally posted by Joecool:
What we learned?

Mark Roman whored himself out to 31 teams and no one wanted him. He hasn't done anything for us besides being in plays made by the OTHER team.

Why in the hell is he even getting THIS much playing time? Seriously, I have no problem with our run run run in the last drive as it drained the teams timeouts. I don't have a problem with prevent because there was VERY little time remaining and the last thing we want is to blitz, get it picked up and allow a 1-on-1 jump ball.

What I DO have a problem is with some idiot who is in a prevent defense for a reason relaxes for a split second and says "Oh s**t!" as soon as Favre rifles a ball from 35 yards back only to misjudge the ball as he so often does and allow a toe tipper catch. Man, Roman has NO game awareness. I have seen Clements catch a jumping receiver and throw him out of bounds. Roman is no Clements and would have never though of trying to push the receiver out of bounds or even making contact with the receiver as soon as the ball got there.

There is a reason why Roman was passed up by 31 teams. Why the hell does he keep playing for ours AND getting time on the field?

Agreed. Before I even saw the replay I knew it was Roman. Although that was a great sack he had early.

He came in on a safety blitz untouched. What's so great about that? The credit belongs to Manusky's playcall, not Roman.
We learned that Singletary/Raye are not going to deviate from the situational play calling chart that tells them to run the ball no matter what if you have a lead in the 4th quarter - even if you are leaving enough time for the other team to come back if you don't get a 1st down.
we've learned that this lost stings like a mfer....
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Chief:
That Shaun Hill the best QB on this team and a solid starter in the NFL.

This staement is laughable imo.

why is it laughable. Shaun Hill has proven he is a capable QB for us, or do you not remember his 2 clutch 4th quarter drives this year against AZ and MIN

They obviously forget that. They have no stats to prove the opposite.

The only thing that Hill has done for this team since becoming the starter is not turn the ball over, put up pretty good stats, and win.
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What we learned from the Vikings game

We learned that while the team has clearly improved, it still has a long way to go. Not just the players (the most obvious evidence of improvement), but with the coaching.

We learned that the players might be more talented than even the coaches are willing to admit.

We learned that the players might have more confidence in themselves than the coaches have in them. (this is an ongoing theme).

We learned that we still have serious enough talent deficits on both sides of the ball (no pass rush and poor OL play) that heart and desire can't compensate for.

We should be a little mature about this though.....considering where we've been, we're in a better place now. It's a process, maybe we should be a bit more patient?
1. We played even up with one of the best teams in the NFL.
2. We are still #1 in the NFC West.
3. The defense is really solid this year, and is going to keep us in games.
4. The offense is a work in progress. I hope they expand the running playbook being I-Form HB Dive, though.
5. I hate Favre even more.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 49ERGUY:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Chief:
That Shaun Hill the best QB on this team and a solid starter in the NFL.

People are giving Hill way to much credit. He is a decent NFL QB that would be the #2 on most other teams. As soon as the pocket starts to collapse he is finished, he cant scramble due to his lack of mobility.

This is nothing but b@lls**t. Here is a bit more perspective from Matt Barrows ;

Until the end, Favre was being outplayed by Shaun Hill, a former Minnesota third-stringer who threw two touchdown passes to tight end Vernon Davis. The second was a 20-yard toss over three defenders that gave the Niners a 24-20 lead midway through the fourth quarter.

He did all of this behind a crappy beat up Offensive Line with 3rd and long because of Raye........ Hill isn't the problem.

Favre was playing game manager for most of the game and his WR's dropped a lot of passes. When he needed to turn it on he did, Hill doesn't have that kind of QB ability. My statement about scrambling still holds truth, what Favre did at the end Hill doesn't have the physical ability to do.

You can blame Raye for play calling but Hill's abilities can only take him so far. He rarely goes through all of his reads because he has to get the ball out before he gets pressured. Once again, he does not have the ability to move outside the pocket and make plays on the run. That's why he is always throwing into double and triple team coverages. Now you can blame the OL for this, but if a QB isn't mobile that is his fault.

When the coaches let Hill throw we have the winning drives ....... Steve Young calls it great Quarterbacking ........ Obviously this is a forum and you are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine ...... I respectfully agree to disagree.

Hill put us into a position to win the game ....... other players and coaches had their hands in losing it.
[ Edited by 49ERGUY on Sep 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM ]
I also learned that I want to punch Mark Roman in the vagina.
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