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Gores injury, a blessing in disguise?

I know it's a bit of a cliché, but opportunities can come from bad events. Gore is a great RB and is probably the best offensive player on the team, but his being sidelined can open up opportunities for others and may cause changes in the offensive scheme. Hopefully, others will rise to the occasion and maybe the 9ers won't be so predictable in the future.
[ Edited by fzrdave on Sep 28, 2009 at 5:16 PM ]
Originally posted by fzrdave:
I know it's a bit of a cliché, but opportunities can come from bad events. Gore is a great RB and is probably the best offensive player on the team, but his being sidelined can open up opportunities for others and may cause changes in the offensive scheme. Hopefully, others will rise to the occasion and maybe the 9ers won't be so predictable in the future.

I think the 49ers step up & take care of buisness while Gore gets healed up!
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I just think it speed up the development of Glen Coffee. He did good in his first NFL game.

He did good? He had 25 carries and barely broke 50 yards! He only had a little over 2 yards a carry.

dude, we ran the same exact play 6 times and on every 3rd down. and it wasn't siguised, morgan went in motion, and the whole D brok e to the correct gap on the snap.

what happened when we ran PA out of that formation? a little dump off type pass to hill for 15 yards.


I am aware of the playcalling, but that doesn't mean Coffee had a good game "because" of it. 25 carries for 54 yards is not a "good" game no matter how you look at it.
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I just think it speed up the development of Glen Coffee. He did good in his first NFL game.

He did good? He had 25 carries and barely broke 50 yards! He only had a little over 2 yards a carry.

No kidding, good? You must have not been watching the same game I was. Coffee did
too much dancing and not enough north & south running. It goes to show you how meaningless pre season is, Coffee looked good there, so far in meaningful games he looks terrible.


No kidding, really? You must not have been reading the same post I wrote. See the "?" after "He did good"? That means I am questioning the OP's statement, not agreeing with it. Like I said, he had 25 carries and barely broke 50 yards.
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I just think it speed up the development of Glen Coffee. He did good in his first NFL game.

He did good? He had 25 carries and barely broke 50 yards! He only had a little over 2 yards a carry.

No kidding, good? You must have not been watching the same game I was. Coffee did
too much dancing and not enough north & south running. It goes to show you how meaningless pre season is, Coffee looked good there, so far in meaningful games he looks terrible.


No kidding, really? You must not have been reading the same post I wrote. See the "?" after "He did good"? That means I am questioning the OP's statement, not agreeing with it. Like I said, he had 25 carries and barely broke 50 yards.

You guys are asking way too much of a rookie RB, in a backup role, playing in his first game against a tough D. Of course he'll 'dance' a little. Every rookie RB does that to some extent until they get a few games into it. I'm just glad he didn't fumbled or get Hill blown up with a missed block.

If he continued to have those numbers against the Rams and Falcons I would be more critical, but he'll show he's a good one.
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Disagree.

It sure didn't help today, did it? Gore is out, Raye still runs the next RB through the middle against 8 man fronts.

I would like to see the ball in Hill's hands more.

-9fA

As I've stated before careful what you wish for you may find out more about Hill than you think
Originally posted by B650:
That's a good point. I remember in 1997 Jerry Rice got hurt and a lot of people gave up on us. Well, a young WR by the name of Terrell Owens stepped right in and we did just fine. Yes, we lost in the NFC Championship, but we still had a good year and we found out that we had a pretty good WR in Terrell Owens.

We can use this to our advantage, but Coffee has to be able to run the ball or it's going to be difficult to pass. Hopefully we bring up Sheets to help the running game out.

I think Vernon Davis is going to carry much of the load until Gore returns, which could be another positive.

Great points
I'd like to see them activate Sheets (wonder why this hasn't been done yet?), but I' also afraid it will mean same ol', same ol', with Coffee and Sheets taking over Gore's role in the same running offense that has exactly lit the world on fire yet.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I never like to see a player get injured, especially a Niner and even worst Gore. But, maybe the two weeks of sitting Gore will force our coaches/team to depend a little more on the pass. As long as Gore is in the game he will always be our bread and butter, but I think our passing game is a lot better than you would think. What would be ideal is for our passing game to find a rhythm so the coaches are more comfortable putting the game in Shaun's hands or at least letting him bare some of the load and not just when they absolutely have to. If we really want to be a championship team we need a balanced attack, not just a ho hum run team.

It should be interesting
Hey Singletary, your Bell Cow is out, what are you going to do?


Maybe you let the man who helped you earn your job let you show that he can get the job done.

Free Shaun Hill!

I'm sorry, but in game decisions are no different than Nolan's so far.
[ Edited by Joecool on Sep 29, 2009 at 8:40 AM ]
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Memphis9er = unabashed Hill hater


I'm at work so I don't have to break down every series, but stats doen't tell the whole story. Anybody who is watching the game can cleary see that we are way too predictable.


BTW, the firt drive should be thrown out. On the first play Allen caused a fumble (after not being called for encroachment) which set us back 7 yards (17 total). That is a deep hole to be in at the back of your own endzone where the noise is the loadest at the very first drive of the game.

Like I said, stats dont tell the whole story....

Then wouldn't that be all the more reason to go vanilla and run on 2nd and 3rd down?


What did I say that would make you think I would disagree with your statement? My point is you can't just point to three and outs when passing and say, "our passing game sucks." The odds where stacked against them to pass yet they did, which in reality only proves my point that Jimmy Raye is brain dead...

But you can point to 3 & outs and say our OC sucks? I gotcha

My point was it wasn't just run run run punt like posters on here would lead you to believe. they're under the impression that if we let Hill loose he can/will shine. I was merely showing examples of Hill not being held back as much as posters are lead to believe.

Hill isn't the kind of QB that can/will lead down the field on a consistant basis whether we run run run or mix it up with a couple pass plays. He's just not good enough. And that is why our passing game sucks. Well that and the O-line. You can put it on Raye all you guys want. But he has nothing to work with to feature the passing game. Trying to do so would only prove your point of him being brain dead.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Memphis9er = unabashed Hill hater


I'm at work so I don't have to break down every series, but stats doen't tell the whole story. Anybody who is watching the game can cleary see that we are way too predictable.


BTW, the firt drive should be thrown out. On the first play Allen caused a fumble (after not being called for encroachment) which set us back 7 yards (17 total). That is a deep hole to be in at the back of your own endzone where the noise is the loadest at the very first drive of the game.

Like I said, stats dont tell the whole story....

Then wouldn't that be all the more reason to go vanilla and run on 2nd and 3rd down?


What did I say that would make you think I would disagree with your statement? My point is you can't just point to three and outs when passing and say, "our passing game sucks." The odds where stacked against them to pass yet they did, which in reality only proves my point that Jimmy Raye is brain dead...

But you can point to 3 & outs and say our OC sucks? I gotcha

My point was it wasn't just run run run punt like posters on here would lead you to believe. they're under the impression that if we let Hill loose he can/will shine. I was merely showing examples of Hill not being held back as much as posters are lead to believe.

Hill isn't the kind of QB that can/will lead down the field on a consistant basis whether we run run run or mix it up with a couple pass plays. He's just not good enough. And that is why our passing game sucks. Well that and the O-line. You can put it on Raye all you guys want. But he has nothing to work with to feature the passing game. Trying to do so would only prove your point of him being brain dead.

I don't want to repeatedly keep defending Hill but Hill has shown that he can do it. It helps when you allow your QB to build a rythm rather than expect him to throw one pass every 3 or 4 downs and most of those separated passes were not under the most comfortable situations.

When Gore got injured, our Bell Cow is Shaun Hill. Let him build a rythm and get confidence.

Who knows, Raye could have a big plan give Hill a few games and more experience in his offense before he lets him go or maybe Raye does not have enough of a playbook and everything could be shown in one entire quarter, but Hill is now the Bell Cow and they need to adjust their gameplan as they have been forced to do for one or two drives a game.
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I just think it speed up the development of Glen Coffee. He did good in his first NFL game.

He did good? He had 25 carries and barely broke 50 yards! He only had a little over 2 yards a carry.

dude, we ran the same exact play 6 times and on every 3rd down. and it wasn't siguised, morgan went in motion, and the whole D brok e to the correct gap on the snap.

what happened when we ran PA out of that formation? a little dump off type pass to hill for 15 yards.


I am aware of the playcalling, but that doesn't mean Coffee had a good game "because" of it. 25 carries for 54 yards is not a "good" game no matter how you look at it.

I don't like Coffee so far. He needs to show more than that kind of average to be a dependable backup. Did you see how he stuttered and "juked" (in his mind anyway) on the breakaway run? If that were Gore it would have been a TD for sure!
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Memphis9er = unabashed Hill hater


I'm at work so I don't have to break down every series, but stats doen't tell the whole story. Anybody who is watching the game can cleary see that we are way too predictable.


BTW, the firt drive should be thrown out. On the first play Allen caused a fumble (after not being called for encroachment) which set us back 7 yards (17 total). That is a deep hole to be in at the back of your own endzone where the noise is the loadest at the very first drive of the game.

Like I said, stats dont tell the whole story....

I do not hate Hill,or any other niner, he is doing what is asked of him, and that is all we can expect from him. All I am saying is that he isn't the next great niner QB, but that goes without saying. He will do for now, but the QB position is one we will have to upgrade. Like I said he is the QB now because of the lack of experience and/or shortcomings of the other QB's on our roster, not because he is a great QB.


Exactly, anyone being objective cannot dismiss the mostly lousy throws he made all day , and only count the TD passes to Davis , If having an opinion about Hill that goes against the grain is Hating then count me in. He's mediocre at best but will have to do for now
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Memphis9er = unabashed Hill hater


I'm at work so I don't have to break down every series, but stats doen't tell the whole story. Anybody who is watching the game can cleary see that we are way too predictable.


BTW, the firt drive should be thrown out. On the first play Allen caused a fumble (after not being called for encroachment) which set us back 7 yards (17 total). That is a deep hole to be in at the back of your own endzone where the noise is the loadest at the very first drive of the game.

Like I said, stats dont tell the whole story....

Then wouldn't that be all the more reason to go vanilla and run on 2nd and 3rd down?


What did I say that would make you think I would disagree with your statement? My point is you can't just point to three and outs when passing and say, "our passing game sucks." The odds where stacked against them to pass yet they did, which in reality only proves my point that Jimmy Raye is brain dead...

But you can point to 3 & outs and say our OC sucks? I gotcha

My point was it wasn't just run run run punt like posters on here would lead you to believe. they're under the impression that if we let Hill loose he can/will shine. I was merely showing examples of Hill not being held back as much as posters are lead to believe.

Hill isn't the kind of QB that can/will lead down the field on a consistant basis whether we run run run or mix it up with a couple pass plays. He's just not good enough. And that is why our passing game sucks. Well that and the O-line. You can put it on Raye all you guys want. But he has nothing to work with to feature the passing game. Trying to do so would only prove your point of him being brain dead.

I don't want to repeatedly keep defending Hill but Hill has shown that he can do it. It helps when you allow your QB to build a rythm rather than expect him to throw one pass every 3 or 4 downs and most of those separated passes were not under the most comfortable situations.

When Gore got injured, our Bell Cow is Shaun Hill. Let him build a rythm and get confidence.

Who knows, Raye could have a big plan give Hill a few games and more experience in his offense before he lets him go or maybe Raye does not have enough of a playbook and everything could be shown in one entire quarter, but Hill is now the Bell Cow and they need to adjust their gameplan as they have been forced to do for one or two drives a game.

As the other poster has pointed he can do it , but not a regular basis , review the games it's pretty much one drive a game , either it's Hill , Raye a combo of both but either way 1 drive a game is just not good enough