Stop blaming Raye . . .

Originally posted by tommyncal:
. . . . he is calling the plays that Singletary wants. This is Singletary's philosphy . . conservative, conservative and more conservative. Singletary could override any call that Raye calls. Singletary has done a remarkable job, but I am having trouble getting onboard his bandwagon. You need a qb that defenses have to game plan for. These are the 49ers, where's our legacy?? The game is there to be won with a simple short pass and they can't, or choose not to, make a first down! That's alot of pressure to be put on any defense game after game. Singletary needs to change or the Scott needs to tell him to change.

Sing is calling the offense now? No wait, it's Raye. Or maybe it's the O-line's fault because they can't open any holes against 9 defenders in the box. When we needed a first down the most, Raye said, "I know they've been stuffing us ALL f**kING DAY, but maybe this time will be different".
And if Sing is behind this garbage, then f**k him too. Worst playcalling EVER


I'm with on the play selection, God forbid we see a quick out or slant pattern.

we ran the ball 7 straight times to begin the second half

we ran the ball 5 straight times when we needed a first down.... at the end of the game....

We only "balanced" the offense when we were behind......

We need to get our asses out of the 70-80's and change up the offense a bit...

The problem on offense isn't the players, we have playmakers (Vernon showed what he can do... Bruce is smooth as ever and Morgan needs to have more targets). the problem is the conservative tecmo Bowl playcalling...

The defenses know what is coming and guess what, another 3 and out

Our defense is awesome, but when they are on the feild all the time they are going to break down just like they did today......

I am not asking for a run and shoot pass happy offense

But would a bit more balance and unpredictable playcalling be too much to ask for?

If we don't getr that fixed we will be nothing more then NFC West Champions...

In my opinion, the offensive playcalling will hold us back.....

If it was better, we would be contenders for the Super Bowl

As of now, we are not

Don't get me wrong I like Raye, but he DESPERATELY needs to mix up the play calling.

Three runs up the gut, when all we need is ONE first down, WITH THE GAME potentially on the line is UNACCEPTABLE. Had he he called SOMETHING ELSE other than plays THAT HAVEN'T WORKED THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Because we would've won.

QB bootleg. Throw a screen. Short pass across the middle. Something. ANYTHING but three futile run attempts that just weren't working (again, the whole game they weren't working).

Bottom line is Favre should have never even sniffed the ball again. It was on our offense to run out the clocked and we failed miserably. Hopefully this brings Sing/Raye back to earth and they realize that this "Physical with an F" crap is going to get us nowhere.

We very well be a good team now, but that won't be enough going forward. We need more production out of the Offense to become GREAT.

Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Originally posted by Blitz:
Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Not to pick a fight, but you don't think that maybe if we got a first down on our last drive, we would've won? You don't think our Offense bears any blame for failing to run some 90 seconds off the clock? Due to VERY predictable playcalling?

In my eyes, Raye is just as at fault as the 'D'.

Originally posted by LundyLove:
we ran the ball 7 straight times to begin the second half

we ran the ball 5 straight times when we needed a first down.... at the end of the game....

We only "balanced" the offense when we were behind......

We need to get our asses out of the 70-80's and change up the offense a bit...

The problem on offense isn't the players, we have playmakers (Vernon showed what he can do... Bruce is smooth as ever and Morgan needs to have more targets). the problem is the conservative tecmo Bowl playcalling...

The defenses know what is coming and guess what, another 3 and out

Our defense is awesome, but when they are on the feild all the time they are going to break down just like they did today......

I am not asking for a run and shoot pass happy offense

But would a bit more balance and unpredictable playcalling be too much to ask for?

If we don't getr that fixed we will be nothing more then NFC West Champions...

In my opinion, the offensive playcalling will hold us back.....

If it was better, we would be contenders for the Super Bowl

As of now, we are not

Agreed. That's the problem I have with Raye as well. I understand his desire to impose his will on the defense and stuff the ball down their throat, but you have to be willing to adjust to what the defense is doing on the field. The defense is playing 9 in the box and playing to stop the draw by run blitzing practically every play. So why does Raye so stubbornly continue to try run the same offensive plays (Runs up the middle), instead of trying to take advantage of the one on one coverage or other weak area's in the defense.

I swear, it looked like the Vikings run blitzed or had their linebackers sitting in the gaps on the line of scrimmage almost every play, and yet Raye continued to try and pound it in. When the Niners have absolutely had to pass, they've been successful. 0/11 on third down? A lot of that was due to minimal gains or losses leading to 3rd and 9 and then Hill being a couple yards short on the pass completion.

And at the end of games, it becomes even worse. Pure Vanilla. This time though, it came back to bite the Niners. As was stated earlier, “Play to win”, and “Don't play not to lose”. Raye's offensive philosophy is the latter.

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Not to pick a fight, but you don't think that maybe if we got a first down on our last drive, we would've won? You don't think our Offense bears any blame for failing to run some 90 seconds off the clock? Due to VERY predictable playcalling?

In my eyes, Raye is just as at fault as the 'D'.

All woulda coulda shoulda. I can name a thousand other woulda coulda shoulda scenarios. A dropped ball, a bit of a wrong route, giving up on a route a missed block, a bad play call, a bad call by the refs..it goes on and on and on. All of it is part of the game, all of it woulda shoulda coulda. Stick with the facts, which is that the defense did not defend that play well at all, and it cost the game. The offense didd it's job, including the coaches...they put enough points on the board to win the game. Then we gave it to the defense to win for us, which was wholly the smart, odds on thing to do considering a field goal would not do it for them and they had no timeouts with one minute left and the d hadn't even allowed them to drive into filed goal range the entire second half, yet alone 80 yards and a td.

This reminds of the argument about the Patsy's when they lost the superbowl, how the offense failed them when the reality was that the defense failed them because they didn't stop the Giants from scoring after the Patsy's had gone ahead.

The bottom line was that it was a much safer bet to put the game in the defense's hand. It's a team game, when the game gets turned over to the defense (regardless of why) it's their job to do their part which is first and foremost not allow the score. When it gets turned over to the offense, it's their job to score enough to win, and they did that. It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

Jimmy Raye = F'N SUCKS as a OC

Since no one has done it yet, as far as I know..

"LEAVE JIMMY RAYE ALONE!!!"


But seriously.. We need more of a killer instinct. More screens, including to the WR's.

Where are the slants? Where are the pick-routes? We're running the most simplistic, vanilla looking formations and plays I've seen. It's almost as if we're still in the pre-season at times.

I completly agree. Let his body of work be measured after a WHOLE season rather than 3 games. Quit WHINING raye haters!

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Not to pick a fight, but you don't think that maybe if we got a first down on our last drive, we would've won? You don't think our Offense bears any blame for failing to run some 90 seconds off the clock? Due to VERY predictable playcalling?

In my eyes, Raye is just as at fault as the 'D'.

All woulda coulda shoulda. I can name a thousand other woulda coulda shoulda scenarios. A dropped ball, a bit of a wrong route, giving up on a route a missed block, a bad play call, a bad call by the refs..it goes on and on and on. All of it is part of the game, all of it woulda shoulda coulda. Stick with the facts, which is that the defense did not defend that play well at all, and it cost the game. The offense didd it's job, including the coaches...they put enough points on the board to win the game. Then we gave it to the defense to win for us, which was wholly the smart, odds on thing to do considering a field goal would not do it for them and they had no timeouts with one minute left and the d hadn't even allowed them to drive into filed goal range the entire second half, yet alone 80 yards and a td.

This reminds of the argument about the Patsy's when they lost the superbowl, how the offense failed them when the reality was that the defense failed them because they didn't stop the Giants from scoring after the Patsy's had gone ahead.

The bottom line was that it was a much safer bet to put the game in the defense's hand. It's a team game, when the game gets turned over to the defense (regardless of why) it's their job to do their part which is first and foremost not allow the score. When it gets turned over to the offense, it's their job to score enough to win, and they did that. It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

Have you actually watched the last 3 games? It's 3 games in a row that the defense held our opponents in check and all the offense had to do was get first downs to ice it away. All 3 games they couldn't and went 3 and outs, giving the other guys last ditch opportunities. If we could have just gotten a first down near the end today, Favre wouldn't have had a chance at last-minute heroics! The offense, thanks in great part to aye, is anemic and something needs to be done. Now that gore's probably out, it may actually force him to get a little creative. Pray that it's so!

Raye should have broken up that Favre pass in the endzone

Originally posted by Blitz:
It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

No offense, but this is absolute nonsense. That's the ENTIRE point of the offense. To convert on 3rd downs to keep the drive alive -- to keep the D off the field. When you do this, you do the next thing: score points. And you want to score more than the opponent.

Raye did a good job calling plays. We were up against one of the toughest D's in the league and probably the worst D for our team to go against in terms of matchups.

Then we lose Gore. Then we lose several O-lineman. We still put up 17 pts and we have the Vikings right where we wanted them.

Raye didn't let Favre drive 80 yrds for the game winning drive...We are a defense-oriented team, a defensive team can't let that happen.

The only thing that i criticize Raye for is the predictable play calling.

More than 2 wideouts = pass
Anything else = run.

Our power running rushing attack just doesn't have the personnel up front to constantly run against 8-9 defenders in the box.

All i ask is to "mix it up".

-9fA