Stop blaming Raye . . .

I think the reason why the offense seems so vanilla is because they don't trust Hill and the weapons he has.

J-Raye called a decent game with Frank the Tank going down so early...

I'll keep on blaming him.

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:
It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

No offense, but this is absolute nonsense. That's the ENTIRE point of the offense. To convert on 3rd downs to keep the drive alive -- to keep the D off the field. When you do this, you do the next thing: score points. And you want to score more than the opponent.

No offense, but this is complete BS. I can prove it very easily.

A team is awarded a win based upon ONE thing and ONE thing only: Scoring more points than the opposing team. At the end of the day, there are only two stat's that matter, points for and points against. Make a thousand first downs, hold sustaining drives that hog up 59 minutes of the game and it still doesn't mean jack s**t if at the end of the day you don't have more points for than points against.

Now to prove how faulty this logic is that people are using here is: People are forgetting that the offense had another chance to score and win, but VD dropped the ball. He should have caught the ball, and he should have scored. See how f**ked up that line of reasoning is? See how it IGNORES ALL MITIGATING FACTS surrounding the situation? How about Walker giving up on the route? If he hadn't of done that we would have won. IN other words, the logic your using is faulty because even if the niner's had done something differently, it doesn't necessarily change the outcome. They had the game until THE DEFENSE FAILED TO DO IT'S JOB, which happened approximately 2 seconds before the end of the game. The offense did it's part (score more points than the opponent) and the defense did theirs right up until 2 seconds before the game at which time they blew it, epically, with the help of a hall of fame, once in many thousands throw and catch by the opposing team.

The facts: The offense scored enough points to win the game. The decision was made for the offense to protect the ball as much as possible and eat up clock first and foremost, then put the protection of that lead into the defense's hands, which was the right decision based upon the mitigating circumstances. The defense failed to do that.

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:
It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

No offense, but this is absolute nonsense. That's the ENTIRE point of the offense. To convert on 3rd downs to keep the drive alive -- to keep the D off the field. When you do this, you do the next thing: score points. And you want to score more than the opponent.

No offense, but this is complete BS. I can prove it very easily.

A team is awarded a win based upon ONE thing and ONE thing only: Scoring more points than the opposing team. At the end of the day, there are only two stat's that matter, points for and points against. Make a thousand first downs, hold sustaining drives that hog up 59 minutes of the game and it still doesn't mean jack s**t if at the end of the day you don't have more points for than points against.

Now to prove how faulty this logic is that people are using here is: People are forgetting that the offense had another chance to score and win, but VD dropped the ball. He should have caught the ball, and he should have scored. See how f**ked up that line of reasoning is? See how it IGNORES ALL MITIGATING FACTS surrounding the situation? How about Walker giving up on the route? If he hadn't of done that we would have won. IN other words, the logic your using is faulty because even if the niner's had done something differently, it doesn't necessarily change the outcome. They had the game until THE DEFENSE FAILED TO DO IT'S JOB, which happened approximately 2 seconds before the end of the game. The offense did it's part (score more points than the opponent) and the defense did theirs right up until 2 seconds before the game at which time they blew it, epically, with the help of a hall of fame, once in many thousands throw and catch by the opposing team.

The facts: The offense scored enough points to win the game. The decision was made for the offense to protect the ball as much as possible and eat up clock first and foremost, then put the protection of that lead into the defense's hands, which was the right decision based upon the mitigating circumstances. The defense failed to do that.

+1

All those consecutive runs at the end of the game (and during, for that matter), even WITH Gore would have been stupid. But, without Gore out? C'mon!!!!! There's either a stubborn refusal to deviate from the run bordering on potentially lethal intransigence, or just plain moronic tunnel vision. Too strong?
This is 3 games in a row now that we've stayed with the run and been unable to garner the necessary first down(s) to put the game away. We got lucky in 1 and 2 due to our stellar D. This time, they came up short, but they shouldn't have had to be put in that position. Thanks Jimmy Raye.

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Not to pick a fight, but you don't think that maybe if we got a first down on our last drive, we would've won? You don't think our Offense bears any blame for failing to run some 90 seconds off the clock? Due to VERY predictable playcalling?

In my eyes, Raye is just as at fault as the 'D'.

All woulda coulda shoulda. I can name a thousand other woulda coulda shoulda scenarios. A dropped ball, a bit of a wrong route, giving up on a route a missed block, a bad play call, a bad call by the refs..it goes on and on and on. All of it is part of the game, all of it woulda shoulda coulda. Stick with the facts, which is that the defense did not defend that play well at all, and it cost the game. The offense didd it's job, including the coaches...they put enough points on the board to win the game. Then we gave it to the defense to win for us, which was wholly the smart, odds on thing to do considering a field goal would not do it for them and they had no timeouts with one minute left and the d hadn't even allowed them to drive into filed goal range the entire second half, yet alone 80 yards and a td.

This reminds of the argument about the Patsy's when they lost the superbowl, how the offense failed them when the reality was that the defense failed them because they didn't stop the Giants from scoring after the Patsy's had gone ahead.

The bottom line was that it was a much safer bet to put the game in the defense's hand. It's a team game, when the game gets turned over to the defense (regardless of why) it's their job to do their part which is first and foremost not allow the score. When it gets turned over to the offense, it's their job to score enough to win, and they did that. It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

Have you actually watched the last 3 games? It's 3 games in a row that the defense held our opponents in check and all the offense had to do was get first downs to ice it away. All 3 games they couldn't and went 3 and outs, giving the other guys last ditch opportunities. If we could have just gotten a first down near the end today, Favre wouldn't have had a chance at last-minute heroics! The offense, thanks in great part to aye, is anemic and something needs to be done. Now that gore's probably out, it may actually force him to get a little creative. Pray that it's so!

I have watched the games, now here is the reality of the situation you speak of:

"The 49ers have ended all three of their games the same way, by lining up with only one wide receiver and running three times in a row. I do think there are times when offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye should show more trust in Shaun Hill. This was not necessarily one of those times. The 49ers had thrown eight previous times on third down in this game without converting one of them, including a third-and-1 play when they tried to spread the field with three receivers instead of running. Their best pass-protector, left tackle Joe Staley, had suffered a leg injury late in the game. Barry Sims was at left tackle. If Raye had called for a pass and something had gone terribly wrong, the 49ers would be hearing about how they strayed from their identity at the worst possible time, and how Raye should have known the passing game hadn't done anything on third down all game, even with Staley. The 49ers' defense allowed a 32-yard touchdown pass on the final play when only a 32-yard touchdown pass could beat them. That was the bigger story to me. "

That's the reality, on the ground, instead of from a the armchair coaches position.

Now to say the offense is anemic is complete and utter BS. It's ugly as hell, but it's been damn good enough to win. Here are the stats to prove it:

Avg points for: 22.3
Avg points against: 17.7

You see, 22.3 points is plenty good enough to win when you have a defense that only allows an average of 17.7. The offense is good enough to win, with the defense we have, and vice versa. Utter BS about the offense being anemic, as it ignores the most important stat of all, points for.

I have a theory, I think there is a lot of people who simply don't have the nerves to sit through this type of football. It's too uncomfortable for them, win or lose. Gives them ulcer's, even when we win.

Originally posted by 49wyztoscore:

Originally posted by cNiner:

Originally posted by 49wyztoscore:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
. . . . he is calling the plays that Singletary wants. This is Singletary's philosphy . . conservative, conservative and more conservative. Singletary could override any call that Raye calls. Singletary has done a remarkable job, but I am having trouble getting onboard his bandwagon. You need a qb that defenses have to game plan for. These are the 49ers, where's our legacy?? The game is there to be won with a simple short pass and they can't, or choose not to, make a first down! That's alot of pressure to be put on any defense game after game. Singletary needs to change or the Scott needs to tell him to change.

Yeah its Raye's fault. We lose our best player on offense and Raye manages to squeeze 2 TD's out in the second half on the road against a top 5 defense and it's his fault. You guys a f**king ridiculous.
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when hill was hot in 4th we should have kept throwing the ball insted run run punt !

Your defense has play great all game and they need a TD to win. You pass and they almost have have 3 minutes to score, you run and they have to burn thier last time out and have under 2 minutes to score a TD. Not a FG. If it were a FG it would be a different story. It was the right call. Prevent defense was the wrong call.

Noboday in the media is criticizing SF for our last offensive possesion. They made the right call on Offense. The Defensive play could have been better. But I feel this more Favre pulling a TD out of his a** with two seconds left. The line was applying pressure and we had 2 guys by the receiver. It was an amazing catch.

I was in agony after the game but I don't blame the team. It was a close game. We stuck to our gameplan, wore down the D-line which is what let us have that throwing room and in 9 games out of 10 we would win that game.

We are 2-1 and already atop of the division. after next week we could very well have a solid hold on it. This is a league of parity and any one that knows anything about football can clearly see the Niners are a force this season.

If you don't like it and still want to complain, I hear the Raiders could use some bandwagon fans.

The buck stops at Singletary's desk. He is dictating the game plan to his coordinators. Any OC in the NFL including Raye would probably like to open things up more than they have.

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Not to pick a fight, but you don't think that maybe if we got a first down on our last drive, we would've won? You don't think our Offense bears any blame for failing to run some 90 seconds off the clock? Due to VERY predictable playcalling?

In my eyes, Raye is just as at fault as the 'D'.

All woulda coulda shoulda. I can name a thousand other woulda coulda shoulda scenarios. A dropped ball, a bit of a wrong route, giving up on a route a missed block, a bad play call, a bad call by the refs..it goes on and on and on. All of it is part of the game, all of it woulda shoulda coulda. Stick with the facts, which is that the defense did not defend that play well at all, and it cost the game. The offense didd it's job, including the coaches...they put enough points on the board to win the game. Then we gave it to the defense to win for us, which was wholly the smart, odds on thing to do considering a field goal would not do it for them and they had no timeouts with one minute left and the d hadn't even allowed them to drive into filed goal range the entire second half, yet alone 80 yards and a td.

This reminds of the argument about the Patsy's when they lost the superbowl, how the offense failed them when the reality was that the defense failed them because they didn't stop the Giants from scoring after the Patsy's had gone ahead.

The bottom line was that it was a much safer bet to put the game in the defense's hand. It's a team game, when the game gets turned over to the defense (regardless of why) it's their job to do their part which is first and foremost not allow the score. When it gets turned over to the offense, it's their job to score enough to win, and they did that. It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

Have you actually watched the last 3 games? It's 3 games in a row that the defense held our opponents in check and all the offense had to do was get first downs to ice it away. All 3 games they couldn't and went 3 and outs, giving the other guys last ditch opportunities. If we could have just gotten a first down near the end today, Favre wouldn't have had a chance at last-minute heroics! The offense, thanks in great part to aye, is anemic and something needs to be done. Now that gore's probably out, it may actually force him to get a little creative. Pray that it's so!

I have watched the games, now here is the reality of the situation you speak of:

"The 49ers have ended all three of their games the same way, by lining up with only one wide receiver and running three times in a row. I do think there are times when offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye should show more trust in Shaun Hill. This was not necessarily one of those times. The 49ers had thrown eight previous times on third down in this game without converting one of them, including a third-and-1 play when they tried to spread the field with three receivers instead of running. Their best pass-protector, left tackle Joe Staley, had suffered a leg injury late in the game. Barry Sims was at left tackle. If Raye had called for a pass and something had gone terribly wrong, the 49ers would be hearing about how they strayed from their identity at the worst possible time, and how Raye should have known the passing game hadn't done anything on third down all game, even with Staley. The 49ers' defense allowed a 32-yard touchdown pass on the final play when only a 32-yard touchdown pass could beat them. That was the bigger story to me. "

That's the reality, on the ground, instead of from a the armchair coaches position.

Now to say the offense is anemic is complete and utter BS. It's ugly as hell, but it's been damn good enough to win. Here are the stats to prove it:

Avg points for: 22.3
Avg points against: 17.7

You see, 22.3 points is plenty good enough to win when you have a defense that only allows an average of 17.7. The offense is good enough to win, with the defense we have, and vice versa. Utter BS about the offense being anemic, as it ignores the most important stat of all, points for.

I have a theory, I think there is a lot of people who simply don't have the nerves to sit through this type of football. It's too uncomfortable for them, win or lose. Gives them ulcer's, even when we win.

You keep saying other people's opinions are BS! Why be so subtle? What do you really think? Your points, though well made, continue to ignore the obvious, and that while our average points per game are decent, they are as much a factor of the D getting turnovers and/or putting us in good field position as they are of the offense actually driving down the field. And when we have had good drives, they have been more from the pass than the run (with the exception of those 2 phenomenal runs by Frank). And, when it really counted, when it was imperative we at least get 1 or 2 first downs, we couldn't; and, we ran exclusively those times!
Sorry, it's on the offense and specifically Raye's inexplicable play calling. And that ain't BS!

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Whether it's Raye or Singletary, I don't agree with five straight runs at the end of the game. That's playing right into the Vike's hands...especially with Favre's history of beating us like a drum, you've got to be a little more imaginative at that point. A simple toss to a RB or TE is low-risk and with a 1st down you keep Favre & Co. on the sideline and win the game. However, overall, given we lost Gore early on, it was a heckuva an effort by our guys. They definitely could've won this game...it's a very tough loss, but I do agree w/Coach, we'll see them again in the playoffs.

I agree.

I just hate that we didnt even try to get the first down........ I get the reasoning but you dont do that with a HOF QB on the other side

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Not to pick a fight, but you don't think that maybe if we got a first down on our last drive, we would've won? You don't think our Offense bears any blame for failing to run some 90 seconds off the clock? Due to VERY predictable playcalling?

In my eyes, Raye is just as at fault as the 'D'.

All woulda coulda shoulda. I can name a thousand other woulda coulda shoulda scenarios. A dropped ball, a bit of a wrong route, giving up on a route a missed block, a bad play call, a bad call by the refs..it goes on and on and on. All of it is part of the game, all of it woulda shoulda coulda. Stick with the facts, which is that the defense did not defend that play well at all, and it cost the game. The offense didd it's job, including the coaches...they put enough points on the board to win the game. Then we gave it to the defense to win for us, which was wholly the smart, odds on thing to do considering a field goal would not do it for them and they had no timeouts with one minute left and the d hadn't even allowed them to drive into filed goal range the entire second half, yet alone 80 yards and a td.

This reminds of the argument about the Patsy's when they lost the superbowl, how the offense failed them when the reality was that the defense failed them because they didn't stop the Giants from scoring after the Patsy's had gone ahead.

The bottom line was that it was a much safer bet to put the game in the defense's hand. It's a team game, when the game gets turned over to the defense (regardless of why) it's their job to do their part which is first and foremost not allow the score. When it gets turned over to the offense, it's their job to score enough to win, and they did that. It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

Have you actually watched the last 3 games? It's 3 games in a row that the defense held our opponents in check and all the offense had to do was get first downs to ice it away. All 3 games they couldn't and went 3 and outs, giving the other guys last ditch opportunities. If we could have just gotten a first down near the end today, Favre wouldn't have had a chance at last-minute heroics! The offense, thanks in great part to aye, is anemic and something needs to be done. Now that gore's probably out, it may actually force him to get a little creative. Pray that it's so!

I have watched the games, now here is the reality of the situation you speak of:

"The 49ers have ended all three of their games the same way, by lining up with only one wide receiver and running three times in a row. I do think there are times when offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye should show more trust in Shaun Hill. This was not necessarily one of those times. The 49ers had thrown eight previous times on third down in this game without converting one of them, including a third-and-1 play when they tried to spread the field with three receivers instead of running. Their best pass-protector, left tackle Joe Staley, had suffered a leg injury late in the game. Barry Sims was at left tackle. If Raye had called for a pass and something had gone terribly wrong, the 49ers would be hearing about how they strayed from their identity at the worst possible time, and how Raye should have known the passing game hadn't done anything on third down all game, even with Staley. The 49ers' defense allowed a 32-yard touchdown pass on the final play when only a 32-yard touchdown pass could beat them. That was the bigger story to me. "

That's the reality, on the ground, instead of from a the armchair coaches position.

Now to say the offense is anemic is complete and utter BS. It's ugly as hell, but it's been damn good enough to win. Here are the stats to prove it:

Avg points for: 22.3
Avg points against: 17.7

You see, 22.3 points is plenty good enough to win when you have a defense that only allows an average of 17.7. The offense is good enough to win, with the defense we have, and vice versa. Utter BS about the offense being anemic, as it ignores the most important stat of all, points for.

I have a theory, I think there is a lot of people who simply don't have the nerves to sit through this type of football. It's too uncomfortable for them, win or lose. Gives them ulcer's, even when we win.

Well, actually it's 19.97 points per game for the offense. At least 7 points yesterday was from a blocked field goal and return. To me that's not enough offense to consistently win.

LB

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by baltien:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Ok, here's the deal from someone who knows something about this type of situation, Tony Dungy, who just went over this with some film illustrating how the defense f**ked up.

Right from his mouth: The 49ers didn't defend this well, they defended the middle of the field instead of the sidelines and the end zone. This was a situation we (the colts) used practice once a week on Saturday, put the ball on the thirty and practice a "last play of the game" defense. Mike Singletary will learn from this and not let this this happen again, you can bet they will be practicing it once a week from now on, is what he said.

There you go, from somebody who knows what the f**k they are talking about. This loss didn't have a f**king thing to do with the offense, it was the defense who played an outstanding game who f**ked up in the end, and it was because neither Manusky nor Singletary recognized that they needed to focus on defending the sideline and the endzone. Before the snap...the middle of the field was loaded up defensively.

Not to pick a fight, but you don't think that maybe if we got a first down on our last drive, we would've won? You don't think our Offense bears any blame for failing to run some 90 seconds off the clock? Due to VERY predictable playcalling?

In my eyes, Raye is just as at fault as the 'D'.

All woulda coulda shoulda. I can name a thousand other woulda coulda shoulda scenarios. A dropped ball, a bit of a wrong route, giving up on a route a missed block, a bad play call, a bad call by the refs..it goes on and on and on. All of it is part of the game, all of it woulda shoulda coulda. Stick with the facts, which is that the defense did not defend that play well at all, and it cost the game. The offense didd it's job, including the coaches...they put enough points on the board to win the game. Then we gave it to the defense to win for us, which was wholly the smart, odds on thing to do considering a field goal would not do it for them and they had no timeouts with one minute left and the d hadn't even allowed them to drive into filed goal range the entire second half, yet alone 80 yards and a td.

This reminds of the argument about the Patsy's when they lost the superbowl, how the offense failed them when the reality was that the defense failed them because they didn't stop the Giants from scoring after the Patsy's had gone ahead.

The bottom line was that it was a much safer bet to put the game in the defense's hand. It's a team game, when the game gets turned over to the defense (regardless of why) it's their job to do their part which is first and foremost not allow the score. When it gets turned over to the offense, it's their job to score enough to win, and they did that. It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

Have you actually watched the last 3 games? It's 3 games in a row that the defense held our opponents in check and all the offense had to do was get first downs to ice it away. All 3 games they couldn't and went 3 and outs, giving the other guys last ditch opportunities. If we could have just gotten a first down near the end today, Favre wouldn't have had a chance at last-minute heroics! The offense, thanks in great part to aye, is anemic and something needs to be done. Now that gore's probably out, it may actually force him to get a little creative. Pray that it's so!

I have watched the games, now here is the reality of the situation you speak of:

"The 49ers have ended all three of their games the same way, by lining up with only one wide receiver and running three times in a row. I do think there are times when offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye should show more trust in Shaun Hill. This was not necessarily one of those times. The 49ers had thrown eight previous times on third down in this game without converting one of them, including a third-and-1 play when they tried to spread the field with three receivers instead of running. Their best pass-protector, left tackle Joe Staley, had suffered a leg injury late in the game. Barry Sims was at left tackle. If Raye had called for a pass and something had gone terribly wrong, the 49ers would be hearing about how they strayed from their identity at the worst possible time, and how Raye should have known the passing game hadn't done anything on third down all game, even with Staley. The 49ers' defense allowed a 32-yard touchdown pass on the final play when only a 32-yard touchdown pass could beat them. That was the bigger story to me. "

That's the reality, on the ground, instead of from a the armchair coaches position.

Now to say the offense is anemic is complete and utter BS. It's ugly as hell, but it's been damn good enough to win. Here are the stats to prove it:

Avg points for: 22.3
Avg points against: 17.7

You see, 22.3 points is plenty good enough to win when you have a defense that only allows an average of 17.7. The offense is good enough to win, with the defense we have, and vice versa. Utter BS about the offense being anemic, as it ignores the most important stat of all, points for.

I have a theory, I think there is a lot of people who simply don't have the nerves to sit through this type of football. It's too uncomfortable for them, win or lose. Gives them ulcer's, even when we win.

You keep saying other people's opinions are BS! Why be so subtle? What do you really think? Your points, though well made, continue to ignore the obvious, and that while our average points per game are decent, they are as much a factor of the D getting turnovers and/or putting us in good field position as they are of the offense actually driving down the field. And when we have had good drives, they have been more from the pass than the run (with the exception of those 2 phenomenal runs by Frank). And, when it really counted, when it was imperative we at least get 1 or 2 first downs, we couldn't; and, we ran exclusively those times!
Sorry, it's on the offense and specifically Raye's inexplicable play calling. And that ain't BS!

lol

Your ignoring the contribution the complete commitment to the run is making on our passing game. You think they are separate? You think that having opposing defenses stack 8-9 in the box, and not being able to pin their ears back to get to the QB because they are honoring the run first and foremost has nothing to do with our success passing? Your ignoring that teams have been stacking that box and that has made it easy to pass. That will end the first time we step away from our identity. They WILL skin the 49er cat a different way, and it may not work out so good for us.

News flash: The run has been setting up the pass, and opposing teams have been willing to give us the pass because they don't respect Hill, our receiving corp, and our o-lines pass blocking. How many sacks so far? We were on track to break our records from the last two years. That's the damn truth, the o-line is not up to par to pass a whole lot. We simply don't have the talent at QB nor receiver, nor pass blocking on offense. They need help in the passing, big time help, they need teams to honor that run big time. I'll give you 100 bucks if I am wrong, but without that honoring the run, Hill is going to get planted into the turf all day long, and the TO's are going to go way up.

Wait and see, the minute they stop respecting the run, and unload that box, they are going to pin their ears back and have a f**king field day against the pass. THEY HAVE YET TO PIN THOSE EARS BACK AGAINST THE PASS. Hill and the receiving corps, pass blocking, simply don't add up to enough horses to really do anything different than what we have been doing. Not in a real meaningful way, that's for damn sure. We might get a little, but we damn sure aren't going to get much for too long.

Originally posted by jaghetersofie:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:
It ain't the offense's job to get first downs, convert 3rd downs or anything of the sort, it is simply to score more points than the other guy, anyway you can get it, and to protect that ball along the way.

No offense, but this is absolute nonsense. That's the ENTIRE point of the offense. To convert on 3rd downs to keep the drive alive -- to keep the D off the field. When you do this, you do the next thing: score points. And you want to score more than the opponent.

No offense, but this is complete BS. I can prove it very easily.

A team is awarded a win based upon ONE thing and ONE thing only: Scoring more points than the opposing team. At the end of the day, there are only two stat's that matter, points for and points against. Make a thousand first downs, hold sustaining drives that hog up 59 minutes of the game and it still doesn't mean jack s**t if at the end of the day you don't have more points for than points against.

Now to prove how faulty this logic is that people are using here is: People are forgetting that the offense had another chance to score and win, but VD dropped the ball. He should have caught the ball, and he should have scored. See how f**ked up that line of reasoning is? See how it IGNORES ALL MITIGATING FACTS surrounding the situation? How about Walker giving up on the route? If he hadn't of done that we would have won. IN other words, the logic your using is faulty because even if the niner's had done something differently, it doesn't necessarily change the outcome. They had the game until THE DEFENSE FAILED TO DO IT'S JOB, which happened approximately 2 seconds before the end of the game. The offense did it's part (score more points than the opponent) and the defense did theirs right up until 2 seconds before the game at which time they blew it, epically, with the help of a hall of fame, once in many thousands throw and catch by the opposing team.

The facts: The offense scored enough points to win the game. The decision was made for the offense to protect the ball as much as possible and eat up clock first and foremost, then put the protection of that lead into the defense's hands, which was the right decision based upon the mitigating circumstances. The defense failed to do that.

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