Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by B650:Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Anyone here that is making the legitimate argument that Shaun is not what people think he is, just stop.
People hate Smith so much that they are unwilling to even concede the point that...
1) Shaun's stats reflect who he is. A back up playing in a Starting role.
2) That his arm is well below average and it affects the Offense(If this were the other way around Smith's likeness would be a smoldering pile of ashes by now) and that of the amount of time spent of the field by our Defense.
3) Superman Shaun Hill holds the ball too freakin long, and can cost us games when the opponent strip sacks him. Nevermind that it happened right in front of their disbelieving eyes.
This is behind a BETTER Offensive Line that Smith NEVER had in front of him.
It's too early to yank the plug. I just wish people would straight up call a Spade a Spade in regards to Hill. I've NEVER seen such one sided love for a guy that didn't deserve it.
Anyone remember the photoshop thread? I'd have to say well over 75% of the posts there were negatively about Kwame. Regardless if he deserved it or not.
What is Hill a freakin Liberal Democrat(Common man my ass) and Smith(Big business degree holder) *gasp* a Republican?
It's the ONLY thing that makes sense from the looks of things. People seem to be so full of hatred for anyone that has money that when they have 50 mil sitting in their account and "did nothing to earn it" they gotta be haters. So in the end I guess what I would like to know is if they got PAID that money instead of Smith would they return it for sitting on their butts and doing absolutely nothing to warrant the pay day?
They're lying if they say "Yes I would".
It's the system NOT the players.
The only difference that I see is that Smith CAN take chances because he has the arm to back it up. Does ANYONE truly believe that Smith will start freelancing if he was given the yob over Hill?
That's the quickest way right back to the bench on Sing's team. Nevermind that this has NEVER been about Smith. The haters only make it about Smith. This is about HILL and how poorly he IS playing. Y'all need ta get over yourselves.
I think Smith people are too enamored with the fact that he could take chances because of his arm strength. Sure, he could. But he also throws more interceptions because of those chances, and right now, we can't afford that. The only reason people like Smith is because he has a stronger arm. Get over it. He has horrible footwork. He stares down receivers. He throws too many picks. He fumbles. He has bad accuracy. He makes bad decisions. He gets hurt a lot. He loses. Focus on reality and get off his precious throwing arm which is stronger than Hill's. Look, Brady doesn't have the strongest arm either. Steve Young didn't have a cannon. Montana didn't have a cannon. Garcia didn't have a cannon. They were good not because of their arm, but because of their mind. I would've loved to see Smith out there because of his physical talent, but there comes a time when you just have to move on. Hill wins games. He's smart. And we have a guy with a stronger arm sitting behind him: Nate Davis.
Ummm I think that GOAT and Taylor and just about anyone that ever caught a pass from Steve would disagree.
Smith doesn't have a "cannon" either. But what you are disregarding is not what happened, both good or bad, but that the Line in front of Smith has for the most part been atrocious. That will make even the good ones look bad. Steve had one of the WORST Lines in front of him when he played for the Bucs. They were getting him killed. So bad in fact that he determined that he was better off RUNNING the ball.
Only when he got to us and decided to be a QB, did he have success. Smith is in that boat NOW. I'm not and will NEVER state that he is a future HoF'er, but it's pretty damn sad that alot of 9er fans can't get over the past. It's past, right? What about the future? Smith looked pretty damn polished in OTAs' and TC as well as Preseason. His footwork was there, his decision making from what I could see, was there. And the players were responding to both players equally well.
So as much as people are dead set against Smith starting, it makes no sense, given that in the same situation that Hill is in Smith "can't" do the job. Even if he could be better.
Don't be too surprised if Hill falters much, that Smith gets the nod and does a better job. So far as this Line can continue to protect whomever is back there.
But c'mon guy, Nate? Do you REALLY want to take the chance and screw up HIS development? Like the team screwed up Alex's? Cause what Nate's supporters are saying is that he could do the job better than 1 and 2. This is not Preseason. There won't be an Opposing Defense that is made up primarily of 3rd and 4th teamers. And it's full speed, balls to the wall. Let that man sit and ruminate on what it takes to do the job. If the job isn't done well, he will see it. If it is, even better for his future. Which is what I wish that Nolan had done with Smith. Instead of throwing the kid to the wolves. Unfortunately injuries and a trade did not allow for that.
As much as I know I'm going to hear about this, I just want our coaching staff to learn from past mistakes.
Well, you could argue that if Smith was drafted by a team with a good offense (good OL, RB, and WR) he'd be in much better shape. You could also say that if the 49ers kept Norv Turner and helped Smith out by keeping just one OC, he'd have different results. The problem is, he was drafted by the 49ers and they kept changing OCs. Nothing can change that. I'm not saying he's a horrible QB. I think it's possible for him to succeed. But, is he that much better than Hill to risk jeopardizing the entire season for? They went the safe route. Should Hill falter, Smith will come in and show what he's got, again.
By the way, all the circumstances you've brought up, Hill has had to overcome. And that's the difference between the two. Smith struggles because of the problems and people make excuses for him, while Hill finds a way to produce and win under the same circumstances. You have to imagine how Hill would fare with a better OL and a real set of WRs too. I like Smith. I think he has character and he's tough, but at this stage, I think Hill is the smart choice at QB. Let Davis learn a thing or two behind the veteran Hill.