When does Scotty M get the boot?

This is what happens when you lose. The fans blame every and anyone. They want answers and they want them now. This is the culture of losing Jed, Scot, and Mike need to change.

Originally posted by singfan:
If you booted him today, the franchise would be better for it. You all are attempting to justify his below mediocre existence. This franchise has already seen enough of McCloughan, Sing and Raye. It is just absolutely terrible. What quality franchise would have these three in place? How much longer do we need to be punished?

[ Edited by TheRatMan13 on Aug 31, 2009 at 10:36:41 ]

Originally posted by singfan:
If you booted him today, the franchise would be better for it. You all are attempting to justify his below mediocre existence. This franchise has already seen enough of McCloughan, Sing and Raye. It is just absolutely terrible. What quality franchise would have these three in place? How much longer do we need to be punished?

If it gets me banned so be it, but do us all a favor. Have someone stand on your shoulders and pull your arms out of the socket. Then have them jump up. If that doesn't work feel free to put your head through a concrete wall.

[ Edited by FL9er on Aug 31, 2009 at 11:02:21 ]

Originally posted by singfan:
If you booted him today, the franchise would be better for it. You all are attempting to justify his below mediocre existence. This franchise has already seen enough of McCloughan, Sing and Raye. It is just absolutely terrible. What quality franchise would have these three in place? How much longer do we need to be punished?

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by English:
Are we so sad now that there is an assumption of sacking? How about making a case for it before inviting comments?

Alex Smith
Vernon Davis
Manny Lawson
Kentwan Balmer
Michael Crabtree

You need your first rounders to make an impact and ours have not made a big impact. There's your case. In defense of Scott M., he's picked up some really nice players in the later rounds. Still, you can't be whiffing with all of the Ones.

First of all, I'm not sure if you're aware... but Kentwan Balmer is a defensive linemen. Players don't normally make a big impact at that position right away. And it's not like Balmer was a top-ten pick. He was picked towards the END of Round 1. Plus, he has been looking pretty good in preseason. Let's give Balmer a chance shall we?

Second of all, I can't believe you actually included Michael Crabtree on this list. We haven't even signed him yet. How is he supposed to make a big impact already?

And lastly, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are "Ones" too, but you're implying that "all of the ones" have failed to make an impact. That is incorrect.

Originally posted by singfan:
If you booted him today, the franchise would be better for it. You all are attempting to justify his below mediocre existence. This franchise has already seen enough of McCloughan, Sing and Raye. It is just absolutely terrible. What quality franchise would have these three in place? How much longer do we need to be punished?

Your name is SINGFAN

Very soon

Originally posted by nekst:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by English:
Are we so sad now that there is an assumption of sacking? How about making a case for it before inviting comments?

Alex Smith
Vernon Davis
Manny Lawson
Kentwan Balmer
Michael Crabtree

You need your first rounders to make an impact and ours have not made a big impact. There's your case. In defense of Scott M., he's picked up some really nice players in the later rounds. Still, you can't be whiffing with all of the Ones.

First of all, I'm not sure if you're aware... but Kentwan Balmer is a defensive linemen. Players don't normally make a big impact at that position right away. And it's not like Balmer was a top-ten pick. He was picked towards the END of Round 1. Plus, he has been looking pretty good in preseason. Let's give Balmer a chance shall we?

Second of all, I can't believe you actually included Michael Crabtree on this list. We haven't even signed him yet. How is he supposed to make a big impact already?

And lastly, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are "Ones" too, but you're implying that "all of the ones" have failed to make an impact. That is incorrect.

Not only that, but most of us cheered when those picks were made, with the exception maybe of Balmer, who I personally had never heard of and who the jury is still out on, and Smith, who was controversial from day one.

Other than that, those first rounders were met with near-universal approval by Niners fans when they were made.

Let's all take a deep breath and give this team a chance.

Originally posted by singfan:
If you booted him today, the franchise would be better for it. You all are attempting to justify his below mediocre existence. This franchise has already seen enough of McCloughan, Sing and Raye. It is just absolutely terrible. What quality franchise would have these three in place? How much longer do we need to be punished?

How much longer must we be punished with your tired act? You always complain about the team without so much suggesting a viable solution. A VALID solution.

Seems like you're just a NolanHasAPlan wannabe.

Originally posted by Mex49:

Originally posted by singfan:
If you booted him today, the franchise would be better for it. You all are attempting to justify his below mediocre existence. This franchise has already seen enough of McCloughan, Sing and Raye. It is just absolutely terrible. What quality franchise would have these three in place? How much longer do we need to be punished?

Your name is SINGFAN

yeah really?

Originally posted by 9er2k:

Originally posted by Mex49:

Originally posted by 9er2k:

Originally posted by miked1978:
You fairweather fans kill me. You guys would have called for his head if he didn't draft Crabtree at #10. Hell we would have been the laughing stock of the draft if we passed on Crabs. He also got us 2 first rounders last year.

No offense bro but if a top 5 talent is on the board you have to take him and it was a good move to get us two 1st rounders next year but I ask again how many of his 1st round picks pan out?

Which ones were the busts? Nolan was the the final word for the 2005 and 2006 and probably the 2007 season And there is a big gap bewtween a P. Willis pick (HOF) and A Rashan Woods (where are you now) kind of pick and so far, Scotty aint no where close to have made a Woods type pick

Well Woods was a Donahue pick.The point here is even if Nolan had final say Scott was the one doing all the scouting and Nolan was going off the information given to him by Scott.Besides Gore and Willis I don't see a whole lot of talent coming in from the draft(Brandon Williams anyone?)

I am gonna pull the negative card out on you. Micky C was basically needless since Nolan would have had the same draft with the Senior Bowl and a draft mag.

There is noticeable difference in the way the team does things with Nolan gone.

Originally posted by nekst:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by English:
Are we so sad now that there is an assumption of sacking? How about making a case for it before inviting comments?

Alex Smith
Vernon Davis
Manny Lawson
Kentwan Balmer
Michael Crabtree

You need your first rounders to make an impact and ours have not made a big impact. There's your case. In defense of Scott M., he's picked up some really nice players in the later rounds. Still, you can't be whiffing with all of the Ones.

First of all, I'm not sure if you're aware... but Kentwan Balmer is a defensive linemen. Players don't normally make a big impact at that position right away. And it's not like Balmer was a top-ten pick. He was picked towards the END of Round 1. Plus, he has been looking pretty good in preseason. Let's give Balmer a chance shall we?

Second of all, I can't believe you actually included Michael Crabtree on this list. We haven't even signed him yet. How is he supposed to make a big impact already?

And lastly, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are "Ones" too, but you're implying that "all of the ones" have failed to make an impact. That is incorrect.

Yes, I am aware that the non-existant marshmallow (last year, at least), Kentwan Balmer, is an interior defensive lineman, like Gary Johnson, Michael Carter, Jim Burt, Dana Stubblefield and Bryant Young, who were good impact players for the 49ers.

I include Crabtree on the list because he was regarded by other teams as a head case and a diva. If he remains unsigned, and the Niners eat that pick, that is on McCloughan. If he signs, I will certainly be rooting for him and hope he lives up to all the hype.

Lastly, I didn't imply anything. Willis and Staley were good picks. The others don't look so good. Experience tells me that good players jump out at you, regardless of their place in draft. Ronnie Lott, it was obvious immediately the guy was a stud. Jerry Rice showed signs very early, despite a shaky first half of the first season. T.O., stud out of the gate. Charles Haley, despite being picked later than the featured pick, Larry Roberts, was clearly an impact pass rusher early. Along those lines, I have great hopes for Nate Davis. I know he's playing the scrubs, but he looks like a natural.

So, I credited Scott with picking up some nice steals in the later rounds, and I did not dismiss Willis or Staley as you suggest in your straw man argument. I merely pointed out the obvious, that many of Scott's first rounders are looking like duds, and that hurts.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by nekst:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by English:
Are we so sad now that there is an assumption of sacking? How about making a case for it before inviting comments?

Alex Smith
Vernon Davis
Manny Lawson
Kentwan Balmer
Michael Crabtree

You need your first rounders to make an impact and ours have not made a big impact. There's your case. In defense of Scott M., he's picked up some really nice players in the later rounds. Still, you can't be whiffing with all of the Ones.

First of all, I'm not sure if you're aware... but Kentwan Balmer is a defensive linemen. Players don't normally make a big impact at that position right away. And it's not like Balmer was a top-ten pick. He was picked towards the END of Round 1. Plus, he has been looking pretty good in preseason. Let's give Balmer a chance shall we?

Second of all, I can't believe you actually included Michael Crabtree on this list. We haven't even signed him yet. How is he supposed to make a big impact already?

And lastly, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are "Ones" too, but you're implying that "all of the ones" have failed to make an impact. That is incorrect.

Yes, I am aware that the non-existant marshmallow (last year, at least), Kentwan Balmer, is an interior defensive lineman, like Gary Johnson, Michael Carter, Jim Burt, Dana Stubblefield and Bryant Young, who were good impact players for the 49ers.

I include Crabtree on the list because he was regarded by other teams as a head case and a diva. If he remains unsigned, and the Niners eat that pick, that is on McCloughan. If he signs, I will certainly be rooting for him and hope he lives up to all the hype.

Lastly, I didn't imply anything. Willis and Staley were good picks. The others don't look so good. Experience tells me that good players jump out at you, regardless of their place in draft. Ronnie Lott, it was obvious immediately the guy was a stud. Jerry Rice showed signs very early, despite a shaky first half of the first season. T.O., stud out of the gate. Charles Haley, despite being picked later than the featured pick, Larry Roberts, was clearly an impact pass rusher early. Along those lines, I have great hopes for Nate Davis. I know he's playing the scrubs, but he looks like a natural.

So, I credited Scott with picking up some nice steals in the later rounds, and I did not dismiss Willis or Staley as you suggest in your straw man argument. I merely pointed out the obvious, that many of Scott's first rounders are looking like duds, and that hurts.

In rpinciple Staley was a good pick. However, he cost us a top ten pick (and a 4th) to get him. At the time, we were the most hyped up team in the league. But Nolan and McCloguhan should have been able to see through that. They weren't.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by English:
Are we so sad now that there is an assumption of sacking? How about making a case for it before inviting comments?

Alex Smith
Vernon Davis
Manny Lawson
Kentwan Balmer
Michael Crabtree

You need your first rounders to make an impact and ours have not made a big impact. There's your case. In defense of Scott M., he's picked up some really nice players in the later rounds. Still, you can't be whiffing with all of the Ones.

Correct me if I am wrong but is Vernon Davis the only one on that list that has played a full three seasons. If that is the case, this thread should be locked until they have actually been allowed to prove themselves on the field.

Years ago, Bill Walsh explained that to be a Super Bowl caliber team, one needed a minimum of six exceptional, game-changing players. The rest of the team did not have to be exceptional, but there could be no glaring weak link in the line-up.

There is no doubt that McLoughan is much better than Donahue (who I think went down to the local magazine store and bought a Pro Football Weekly draft magazine to help him decide who to pick).

However, McL has presided over five drafts, and with extra picks in most rounds, he has had the equivalent of six drafts. Many of our first round picks were top ten, so they should have been exceptional, game-changers. Yet, in all honesty, too many of these elite picks have not produced as well as their position suggested. For this reason, I am afraid that McL has been a bit of a disappointment. He is probably good, but is not good enough to put together a team that will compete with the elite teams in the league.

For those who contend that Nolan had some say in the first four drafts, remember that McL was the talent evaluator. I am sure Nolan's decisions were based on what McL told him about a player. Nolan had to rely on these assessments. He had too much else going on to do his own independant study of game film etc.