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Defensive Analysis thread (Preseason Week 1)

Whether it's the D-line or the nonexistent pass rushers, we couldn't do much on defense. I don't think that we ever forced a punt?

-9fA
Originally posted by Thizz415:
-Need better play from our pass rushers.
-Less cushion on WR's

-More aggressive
-Need Patrick Willis
-Less Roman and more Goldson and Smith.

That says it all in a nutshell.
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Manny Lawson only has one pass rush move, we are in trouble if we are depending on him.
For those of you that claim the D looked so bad cause we were playing vanilla........ SAVE THAT s**t. It doesn't excuse the OLBs lack of pressure. Lawson was clearly ineffective against the pass. He was easily blocked right out of passing plays just like he's been since being drafted. Haralson DID PLAY (despite what some are claiming) and he looked very sluggish. The overall scheme could be a little at fault, but it wasn't like these guys weren't trying. Did you see Lawson before the snaps? He was chomping at the bit to get after the QB, but he just couldn't get it done.
The bottom line is our OLBs couldn't beat the man in front of them.

On the flip side, this was just one game. One preseason game at that.
It's still early, so Sing/Manusky have time to get this fixed before the season. But if they cannot find the answer, we'll have another disappointing season.
Dissapointed to not see a pass rush from the first teamers. Manny especially looked a bit slow. I can see why they like Brooks. The guy has nice explosion, but is still raw! He keeps bustin his butt, I would not be suprised if he beats Manny. Maybe Greg was being vanilla, but they had all day to throw. Also, whether its was first or second, out OLBs were not keeping outside leverage and they were running outside on us all day. OLBs need to be more disciplined than that.

Thank god for our DB play. Smith is a keeper. That INT was why we drafted him out of OK. Very athletic play. Goldson athleticism is evident. I just hope he can stay healthy for a full season. Bly was great pick up. I saw him in TC and the guy is a football player!!! Good for him vs. his former team!!!!

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[ Edited by 9erluv415 on Aug 15, 2009 at 3:36 AM ]
Firstly, our pass-rush will never be any good till our 3 DL don't take 5 guys on consistently. We can't expect our LBs to beat OTs. We have to get them to go against TEs and FBs/RBs.

Secondly, we need better OLBs. They can't even collapse the pocket. I understand this is the first pre-season game, but we hardly one any 1-on-1 battles when it came to pass-rush. Brooks showed some power, but he is as raw as they come.

I feel bad for Lawson though. He is a 4-3 LB, who got drafted to a 3-4 team. He really needs to show something early this season. No more excuses.
Well, of course I want to see more from our pass rush, so I was a little disappointed in that first preseason outing of our team.

But I think we should not start to panic just yet, just because we could not get much pressure against the Broncos. Is it just me or don´t I remember the Broncos O-Line being really good last year in pass protection? I think they allowed one of the fewest sack totals in the entire NFL last season and Jay Cutler put up some big stats behind those guys for a reason (Hint: It´s not because they sucked )

Now consider that the line is pretty young (so there could even be room for improvement ), stayed intact during the offseason as far as I know, so there should be a lot of cohesiveness and did not get anything fancy from our defense, I am not surprised that they should (and did) fare very well against our pass rush.

That still means we need to see an improved pass rush in the following weeks, but for now, I will not fret too much over the pass rush; at least the turnovers were a good start
Our best pass rusher rushed the passer 3 times in the game.

Manny rushed the passer about 10 times.
4 times against Clady(0.5 sacks allowed last season),
once against the TE who he easily beat
once unblocked (wr screen)
4 times against the RT

By my count Manny only rushed on 4 pass plays that were not a quick pass from shotgun or a 3 step drop.

I think we can wait a tad longer before we make any season long proclimations about our OLBs and our pass rush.
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Imagine what our secondary would have done last night if we would have got pressure on the QB!! We would have had 5 INT'S!! I think MS will fix the problem after he gets done foaming at the mouth. I look forward to seeing our starters come out apply needed pressure and make the QB throw the ball up and our DB'S snag Ints like a fat kid eating chocalate at a candy store... I remember a few years ago I would take a shot of Vodka everytime they got a INT needless to say I never even got a buzz!!!

Lets Go NINERS
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I am really excited to see what will happen once the pass rush is conducted.
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With the unfortunate injuries we suffered, we should use the opportunity to look at other LB options.

If Clayton and Keasey go to IR, that opens two roster spots for us to fill. One or both could be used to evaluate pass rush candidates.

Guys like Travis LaBoy or Kalimba Edwards would be nice situational pass rushers that will give you at least 3-4 sacks per season. They should not start, but they are significant upgrades to Brooks and Moore.

OLB: Lawson/LaBoy
ILB: Willis/Ulbrich
ILB: Spikes/McKillap
OLB: Haralson/Brooks

BOOM!
Originally posted by Thizz415:
-Need better play from our pass rushers.
-Less cushion on WR's
-More aggressive
-Need Patrick Willis
-Less Roman and more Goldson and Smith.

That was my main concern with the 1st string defense. They were just giving Denver's WR"s way too much respect.

Pass rush was looking real suspect. Yes Willis wasn't playing and yes they didn't blitz a lot. But that doesn't stop somebody beating there man one on one and creating a pass rush.
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Laboy is out for the season with Injury, torn Biceps i think

I'd like to sign him anyway and IR him (if you can do that)
It would be nice to have him for next year
Originally posted by AKfanster:
For those of you that claim the D looked so bad cause we were playing vanilla........ SAVE THAT s**t. It doesn't excuse the OLBs lack of pressure. Lawson was clearly ineffective against the pass. He was easily blocked right out of passing plays just like he's been since being drafted. Haralson DID PLAY (despite what some are claiming) and he looked very sluggish. The overall scheme could be a little at fault, but it wasn't like these guys weren't trying. Did you see Lawson before the snaps? He was chomping at the bit to get after the QB, but he just couldn't get it done.
The bottom line is our OLBs couldn't beat the man in front of them.

On the flip side, this was just one game. One preseason game at that.
It's still early, so Sing/Manusky have time to get this fixed before the season. But if they cannot find the answer, we'll have another disappointing season.

Good point. Singletary was NOT happy and nor should he be - vanilla or not. I do agree the scheme was very Nolan-like and even more predictable with the OLB's up at the LOS the whole game - no movement, no switching, no pacing back and forth pre-snap looking to attack gaps, no OLB's really rushing inside, etc. Vanilla but something we have seen from our d-coordinators for ages now.

Either way, that does not excuse the fact that all of our front 7 got their nuts cracked in individual drills.
I hope the D was playing that soft by design in order to keep down any possible injuries. The pass rush was horrible and the point of attack was as well.