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Marvel Smith will make O-line much better than last year

Originally posted by krizay:
So the 110 sacks we gave up the last 2 years is all on Jennings, Snyder and Martz?

The line in general has been bad for a few years now,07 Heitman was coming off an injury and played crappy,and he is probably our best lineman now,but a lot of that was also play calling.It is a combination of many things when it comes down to it,some of which have been addressed.We should be better this year,as long as the pass protection is solid.
Originally posted by krizay:
So the 110 sacks we gave up the last 2 years is all on Jennings, Snyder and Martz?

thank you
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

It's not hard to learn players names by playing Madden.
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

It's not hard to learn players names by playing Madden.

Madden 10 next month
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

It's not hard to learn players names by playing Madden.

Madden 10 next month

Isn't NCAA out today? That should hold me over until Madden comes out
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

It's not hard to learn players names by playing Madden.

Madden 10 next month

Isn't NCAA out today? That should hold me over until Madden comes out

gamestop called me and said it will be in tuesday morning
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

It's not hard to learn players names by playing Madden.

Madden 10 next month

Isn't NCAA out today? That should hold me over until Madden comes out

gamestop called me and said it will be in tuesday morning



sweet
Originally posted by krizay:
So the 110 sacks we gave up the last 2 years is all on Jennings, Snyder and Martz?

The OL's chance of improvement is not all at RT.

Start with Staley who improved in the 2nd half with the firing of Nolan and Warhop. Staley said he went back to blocking techniques (more aggressive) he used in college. Nolan/Warhop wanted him to play more passively. This will also be only his 2nd year at LT.

Rachal will improve the RG position. He took over RG only at mid-year, again with the Nolan subtraction-being-addition firing. A full TC at RG (he practiced some last year at RT) should only improve his work.

Baas, a full year of work at RG behind him, and Heitmann, a second year from injury, should be at least as good as last year and likely improve.

Cohesion so important to the OL unit should benefit from the half-year Staley-Baas-Heitmann-Rachal spent together. The five-man unit (with Smith) having TC together is another thing the OL didn't have last year.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by krizay:
So the 110 sacks we gave up the last 2 years is all on Jennings, Snyder and Martz?

The OL's chance of improvement is not all at RT.

Start with Staley who improved in the 2nd half with the firing of Nolan and Warhop. Staley said he went back to blocking techniques (more aggressive) he used in college. Nolan/Warhop wanted him to play more passively. This will also be only his 2nd year at LT.

Rachal will improve the RG position. He took over RG only at mid-year, again with the Nolan subtraction-being-addition firing. A full TC at RG (he practiced some last year at RT) should only improve his work.

Baas, a full year of work at RG behind him, and Heitmann, a second year from injury, should be at least as good as last year and likely improve.

Cohesion so important to the OL unit should benefit from the half-year Staley-Baas-Heitmann-Rachal spent together. The five-man unit (with Smith) having TC together is another thing the OL didn't have last year.

I counted 1 chance and 3 should's.

If these guys are as good as many of posters are claiming. They either A: wouldn't have been a part of a line that gave up the most sacks in team history. Or B: Wouldn't have been sitting behind guys that helped give up the most sacks in team history.


I suppose that there is a chance it can become a great offensive line. But it won't be because we signed Marvel Smith. Our problems up front stemmed alot further than RT. I find it hard to believe that all 4 guys will improve to the extent of us having a "Top 10 offensive line" That with adding a new guy. Who very well may not play/practice a whole heck of alot during TC because of his injury history. Which would just throw one of your "should"'s right out the window.




It's hard for this board to expect/predict better or good play. They have to expect/predict Top 10ish numbers and pro bowl type stuff. We seriously have like 25 guys who are suppose to breakout this season.
[ Edited by krizay on Jul 13, 2009 at 10:40 AM ]
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

Serious question

Have you heard of Adam Snyder or Barry Sims??

Be honest

I rest my case.
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

Serious question

Have you heard of Adam Snyder or Barry Sims??

Be honest

I rest my case.

I don't get it...what's your case?
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
Originally posted by RonMexico:
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
I think the addition of Marvel Smith to the O line will help make us more of a solid unit than last year. Adam Snyder IMO is a good back up, but he gets beat a lot of the time on the right side and that's not even where the pass rushers line up. Marvel Smith played left tackle if I'm not mistaken and was a pro bowler. I know he's kind of up there in age, but still has all the skills to be a dominant right tackle. The pass protection should be greatly improved as well as run blocking. I am telling you right now that our O line will be one of the best in the league.

Staley-Bass-Heitmann-Rachal-Smith=Top 10 offensive line

serious question

did you know anything about or had you even heard of Marvel Smith before this off season

be honest

Serious question

Have you heard of Adam Snyder or Barry Sims??

Be honest

I rest my case.

I don't get it...what's your case?

Adam Snyder and Barry Sims are weak. That's my case. Marvel Smith is a drastic upgrade from those losers. I used to like Snyder until i kept seeing him get beat and fall all over the place trying to block. But at least he's not Kwame.
Snyder's a marginal starter, but I wouldn't lump him right in with Sims... he's better and more useful than him. I still think there is room for Snyder to improve, if he's finally left alone to focus his energies on one position (OT). Sounds like the whole OL is working harder on increasing strength, and this would go a long way in helping Snyder's biggest flaw (pushing the pile on run plays).
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by krizay:
So the 110 sacks we gave up the last 2 years is all on Jennings, Snyder and Martz?

The OL's chance of improvement is not all at RT.

Start with Staley who improved in the 2nd half with the firing of Nolan and Warhop. Staley said he went back to blocking techniques (more aggressive) he used in college. Nolan/Warhop wanted him to play more passively. This will also be only his 2nd year at LT.

Rachal will improve the RG position. He took over RG only at mid-year, again with the Nolan subtraction-being-addition firing. A full TC at RG (he practiced some last year at RT) should only improve his work.

Baas, a full year of work at RG behind him, and Heitmann, a second year from injury, should be at least as good as last year and likely improve.

Cohesion so important to the OL unit should benefit from the half-year Staley-Baas-Heitmann-Rachal spent together. The five-man unit (with Smith) having TC together is another thing the OL didn't have last year.

I counted 1 chance and 3 shoulds.

If these guys are as good as many of posters are claiming. They either A: wouldn't have been a part of a line that gave up the most sacks in team history. Or B: Wouldn't have been sitting behind guys that helped give up the most sacks in team history.

I suppose that there is a chance it can become a great offensive line. But it won't be because we signed Marvel Smith. Our problems up front stemmed alot further than RT. I find it hard to believe that all 4 guys will improve to the extent of us having a "Top 10 offensive line" That with adding a new guy. Who very well may not play/practice a whole heck of alot during TC because of his injury history. Which would just throw one of your "should"'s right out the window.

It's hard for this board to expect/predict better or good play. They have to expect/predict Top 10ish numbers and pro bowl type stuff. We seriously have like 25 guys who are suppose to breakout this season.

I haven't said the OL will be top ten. But they "should" improve over last year, with a "chance" to be significantly better. Even being an average-performing OL will be significant. My point is that each position "should" improve, not just RT. Just recreating last year's 2nd half results will be an improvement, and that was without M. Smith.