ESPN's Clayton thinks SF will be 3rd in NFC West

Originally posted by NolanHasAPlan:

Originally posted by danimal:
1. Since Garcia, QB1 has been played by a 3rd tier QB, Hill is just a continuation of that. This is not an improvement. Rattay, Dorsey, Smith, Dilfer, JTO, Shaun Hill and others...NONE wereare an improvement over the other.....its just 1 mediocre QB taking over for another

Just because we have value at QB position doesn't make those QBs 3rd tier. We have singletary, don't we? Singletary can motivate journeymen into probowlers, can't he?

Originally posted by danimal:
2. Just saying...hey guys...lets be a running team....doesn't actually make you a running team. Just executing snaps to handoff to a runner, doesn't make you a smashmouth team...sometimes it just makes you a 3 and out team

Raye can call historic plays that averages 3.4 yards/play. So all good.

Originally posted by danimal:
3. I think our O-line is slightly better than 08'...but I don't think they are much better than a #15 ranked o-line...not sure where I would rank em in the division

Singletary can motivate journeymen into probowlers, can't he?

Originally posted by danimal:
4. Don't pretend that Martz reduced Vernon to be a blocker...that has been how he has been used for a few years now by many different coaches. We have to consider that we just might a blocking TE combine freak that we drafted #6. Vernon is on thin ice from being a bust....Martz gone doesn't change that...only Vernon can

Singletary can motivate Vernon into probowlers, can't he?

Originally posted by danimal:
5. Maybe we are tuning into different games...but the Niners Defense I see is GOOD...not Great. Maybe they could be great, but the O and their 3 and out Smash mouth rock em sock em new attitude on O.....will put them in very bad positions

Wanna hear what singletary can do again?

Damn!!!, you are really a pain in the ass!!!!!

Originally posted by RamItOn:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
What a buncha bulls**t,the shehawks are as bad as than they were last year,we have improved(fired Nolan and Martz the moron).

we did nothin really to improve this offseason,and a martz system is better for crabtree because he ran the spread offense with the red raiders so our run first offense won't really benefit our first round pick. marvel smith for jonas jennings is about gettin the same player really. brandon jones ? give me a break. seahawks had both starting WRs out last year and Hasslebeck and still kicked our ass on our home turf. they gettin TJ housh, Deon branch , Hasslebeck and now Curry , they would have easily won the NFC west last year if they stayed healthy and i dont see us having a better record than zona. im not being a downer i really hope we win the superbowl every year but being realistic here. i see it ending like this

1. Seahawks 10-6
2. Arizona 9-7
3. 49ers 8-8
4. Rams 4-12

I agree with Primetime, except that he gives the Rams too much credit with four wins.

Ok, I have to point out a couple of things here...

First off we beat the SeaChickens last year when Hasselbeck started. We lost to them when Hasselbeck was out...

Second, Most of those years that Jerry Rice was tearing up the record books, we had an awesome run game as well. It doesn't matter which way you set it up (run to set up the pass or pass to set up the run); the objective is to create mismatches and then take advantage of them. Having a guy like Crabtree will only help Gore (and vise-versa).

Lastly, We match up well against AZ. It was Martz that cost us that second game last year... If we won we would have finished 8-8 and AZ would have been 8-8.

I could see Seattle doing well next year. While they still don't have much of a run game, we barely squeaked out our first win, and got handled in the second game. Seattle was plagued with injuries at QB and WR. If I recall correctly, they were down to their 5th and 6th WRs. On D, they lost a few people but gained some also, so that breaks even. They could easily win the division...

I just have this gut shot feeling that Arizona is going to totally flop this year. The same way I felt Tennessee would lose their first game in the playoffs in 08'. They have Fitz, Warner, and an unhappy Boldin. If we get a solid pass rush this year, we are going to tear them to pieces. They also did not change much on D.

St. Louis, well, do I really need to say more than St. Louis?

We could easily go second in the division, or third if I am wrong about Arizona... It is really anyone's game though. Seattle showed us last year how a few key injuries can wreck a season...

Originally posted by rulo:

Originally posted by NolanHasAPlan:

Originally posted by danimal:
1. Since Garcia, QB1 has been played by a 3rd tier QB, Hill is just a continuation of that. This is not an improvement. Rattay, Dorsey, Smith, Dilfer, JTO, Shaun Hill and others...NONE wereare an improvement over the other.....its just 1 mediocre QB taking over for another

Just because we have value at QB position doesn't make those QBs 3rd tier. We have singletary, don't we? Singletary can motivate journeymen into probowlers, can't he?

Originally posted by danimal:
2. Just saying...hey guys...lets be a running team....doesn't actually make you a running team. Just executing snaps to handoff to a runner, doesn't make you a smashmouth team...sometimes it just makes you a 3 and out team

Raye can call historic plays that averages 3.4 yards/play. So all good.

Originally posted by danimal:
3. I think our O-line is slightly better than 08'...but I don't think they are much better than a #15 ranked o-line...not sure where I would rank em in the division

Singletary can motivate journeymen into probowlers, can't he?

Originally posted by danimal:
4. Don't pretend that Martz reduced Vernon to be a blocker...that has been how he has been used for a few years now by many different coaches. We have to consider that we just might a blocking TE combine freak that we drafted #6. Vernon is on thin ice from being a bust....Martz gone doesn't change that...only Vernon can

Singletary can motivate Vernon into probowlers, can't he?

Originally posted by danimal:
5. Maybe we are tuning into different games...but the Niners Defense I see is GOOD...not Great. Maybe they could be great, but the O and their 3 and out Smash mouth rock em sock em new attitude on O.....will put them in very bad positions

Wanna hear what singletary can do again?

Damn!!!, you are really a pain in the ass!!!!!

You wouldn't feel that way if you admire Singletary.

sounds reasonable to me. My only hope is that our D can contain both the Tards and Hawks. If we can do that, we'll be in good shape. If not, our O does not match up to theirs so we'll get burnt.

1. Seahawks 10-6
2. Arizona 9-7
3. 49ers 8-8
4. Rams 4-12
Bull, no way are the Seahawks going from a 4-12 season to winning the west. I dont care how many injuries they had.

Clayton is a weenie. The guy has never played a game in his whole life. He looks like Mr Peabody.

I am glad that we will still play the games anyway and not just take Clayton's word for it.

Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of NFL writers don't seem to think that losing Holmgren is a big deal at all.

Yes getting Hasselback...back.. is huge. But an aging QB coming off a back injury, a great LT coming off microfracture surgery protecting that QB's blind side. No running game whatsoever to protect that QB from having to throw all the time. Add to that Jim Mora Jr. is now their HC.(Huge loss there)

The underdog role is shaping up great for us. Playoffs here we come!

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Once again it comes back to Qb and the Niners have the worst Qb in the division. Clayton's opinion isn't crazy or anything just his opinion. If you look at Seattle and don't' think they had a monster off season and will be much better b/c of the retrun of a healthy Hassleback then you are tripping. Funny how folks say Marvel smith is a major improvement though he's coming off injury. But Hassleback and the Seattle WR's will struggle b/c they are coming off injury. Can't have it both ways. Niners could finish 3rd or they could win the division imo it's wide open.

They defiantly made some good upgrades, but the coach is Mora Jr and Greg Knapp and once again that makes all the difference in the world. When it comes down to QB play, it is true that we probably have the worse rated QB's in the division but lets remember what wins championships....DEFENSE. Great example would be the Saints and Bronco's last season. I'm just saying with some average QB play we could be a playoff contender if the rest of the team steps up and our coaches execute the type of game plans they did late last year.

I agree about there coaching staff but it's all wait and see game. And they need ore than an average qb to win a super bowl. You need offense unless you are the old Ravens

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Once again it comes back to Qb and the Niners have the worst Qb in the division. Clayton's opinion isn't crazy or anything just his opinion. If you look at Seattle and don't' think they had a monster off season and will be much better b/c of the retrun of a healthy Hassleback then you are tripping. Funny how folks say Marvel smith is a major improvement though he's coming off injury. But Hassleback and the Seattle WR's will struggle b/c they are coming off injury. Can't have it both ways. Niners could finish 3rd or they could win the division imo it's wide open.

They defiantly made some good upgrades, but the coach is Mora Jr and Greg Knapp and once again that makes all the difference in the world. When it comes down to QB play, it is true that we probably have the worse rated QB's in the division but lets remember what wins championships....DEFENSE. Great example would be the Saints and Bronco's last season. I'm just saying with some average QB play we could be a playoff contender if the rest of the team steps up and our coaches execute the type of game plans they did late last year.

I agree about there coaching staff but it's all wait and see game. And they need ore than an average qb to win a super bowl. You need offense unless you are the old Ravens

I agree unequivocally that you need more than an average QB to win the super bowl. Truthfully I would be shocked if anyteam in the West won the superbowl let alone getting there. But you can win the division with great defense and average QB play and I believe the 9ers have that ability. It'll come down to whether our new coach booms or busts.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
eh i agree. seahawks to me are the best in the west they were just injured last season then i got cards second and us third. especaily considering we got a new offense coordinator again which i still think is NOT an upgrade over martz.

Then why is Raye employed and Martz unemployed? I know this is a little hard for some of you to grasp because it's based on a simple logic and not emotion: if Martz were as valuable as you think he is, he'd be employed now on some NFL team. If Raye were as bad as you think he is, he wouldn't be employed now on some NFL team.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Truthfully I would be shocked if anyteam in the West won the superbowl let alone getting there.

What the hell are you even talking about? A member of our division not only made the last Superbowl, but came a play away from winning it. And, they're not even the team Clayton thinks is the best in the division. He thinks Seattle is better.... and you'd be shocked, shocked if any in our division even gets there. Dude, you're pretty easily shocked.

I think its going to be a fun season to watch. If we have a few things fall our way then we can get lucky enough to make the playoffs. I just know that Sing came in and did an admirable job. We have a veteran OC and Manusky now get to run the defense he knows and likes. Personnel isn't the ONLY aspect to improve on a team. Coaching is just as important. I think this is the best staff we have had in along time.

I think it's great how people are forgetting about us.

I think either the Tards or us will win the NFC West. The seachickens just lost Holmegren, don't tell me thats not going to hurt them. They got who's your daddy but he is getting older. They have no running game, and I think hasselbeck is on his way out.

There going down, were on the rise. The Tards are kind of in dissaray, with Bolden and docket crying and demanding trades and crap. They got Chis wells, which will help IF he stays healty. But other than that, they haven't done anything.

We have Sing, just got crabtree, and added depth at a number of key positions. Our big ? mark will be how the offense does with Raye at the helm. Our defense and special teams are THE BEST in the west. Just got to see how the offense does.

And well the rams still suck.

Go niners!

Originally posted by 49wyztoscore:
I think its going to be a fun season to watch. If we have a few things fall our way then we can get lucky enough to make the playoffs. I just know that Sing came in and did an admirable job. We have a veteran OC and Manusky now get to run the defense he knows and likes. Personnel isn't the ONLY aspect to improve on a team. Coaching is just as important. I think this is the best staff we have had in along time.

That's called "hopeful optimism" and it's a great thing. It's not for the faint of heart, though. More worrisome and fearful fans are afraid they might get their tender feelings hurt if they hope for too much. So they resort to a concept they call "realism." Their concept of "realism" evidently protects them from disappointment. Good for them!