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ESPN's Clayton thinks SF will be 3rd in NFC West

I have great hopes for Singletary for a lot of reasons, but it's way too early to start discussing sainthood.
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John Clayton looks like an aborted fetus... Who would take a prediction from that little beast? Actually, I guess there's a possibility that beings from his dimension can see into the future, which just goes to show that you can't be too sure of anything.

Still, I'd take it with a grain of salt, he's a circus freak.

That is all, go about your business.
Originally posted by JulandEdward49:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
eh i agree. seahawks to me are the best in the west they were just injured last season then i got cards second and us third. especaily considering we got a new offense coordinator again which i still think is NOT an upgrade over martz.


We should have kept martz. totally agree on that one



Bravo...I agree. Glad to see there are some other realistic and objective fans who value common sense over blind support.
Originally posted by NinerNZ:
Originally posted by King49er:
at some of the comments in this thread

No kidding!!

Now I don't know what side of the fence you come down on, but here's where I stand:

Every year in the off-season, it's the same senseless hysteria. About how great we are and how NOW things are going to be different. What is true OTOH is that unless you actually change the way you do things, you cannot expect things to be different. Well how about us? What exactly has changed?

Ownership: Same
Talent evaluator: Same
HC: Was the assistant HC with the team the previous 3-4 years. So what exactly is new, other than the HYPE he receives for having done essentially NOTHING? May ACTUALLY be worse than the outgoing HC. We don't know.

Now there's probably going to be a flood of indignant commentary, so l have to digress and explain how I see it. What exactly did Singletary contribute to the alleged "turnaround" last year? He did not call the offensive plays. He did not call the defensive plays. All processes and personnel were in place when he took over.

Oh, he did stand wide-eyed on the sidelines OTOH . . . frozen . . . when he could actually have helped. Anyone remember the clock mismanagement at the end of the Arizona game? I watched. MS looked like a lost puppy out there, with a "huh, what happened?" expression on his face. Similar mismanagement at the conclusion of the Miami game. IMO the season played out how it was going to play out - MS or no MS. In fact, with some more credible leadership interceding at critical times, we should have made the play-offs. MS showed me that he was not a cool head, who could crisis manage at game-time.

People are going to say "he pulled JTO." So he's a genius for pulling JTO? That move was in the cards anyway. EVERYBODY could see a change was needed. It didn't take a stroke of genius and probably would have happened whoever was the HC. MS was LUCKY that ASmith was on IR and he HAD to play SHill. Otherwise GUARANTEED ASmith would have gone in and Singletary would have been out of a job with the Niners at season's end. He thought so much of SHill he wanted to pull him during the Rams game. And he shamelessly continues to disrespect SHill by not acknowledging him as starter, if only by name (it's only a title for crissakes, OF COURSE there should be competition, but show the QB who saved your a$$ some respect man!). MS is IMO a "knee jerk" coach, not an analytical one. The jury is WAAAAY out on him . . . so just hold on before you annoint him "Coach of the Year".

Back to what has changed with the Organization:

DC: Same

Position coaches: Same, except for Rathman (potentially great move; but questionable exactly how much impact he can have), brought in some family members and fired one of the OL coaches (good move on its face)

OC: CHANGE. OK this is the ONLY significant change over last year. Frankly IMO I'm not convinced that this is an upgrade. You're going to hear snide remarks about how Martz is out of a job, etc, etc. BUT he was a superbowl winning offensive mind. He was egotistical in the past perhaps, but there was every indication that life had taught him some hard lessons and he was now willing to take direction. Except Singletary (the ultimate motivator who can change/work with anybody ) couldn't work with him. (Too smart, I suspect). What followed was a OC-search debacle. Now we have Raye. I don't know him. And even though his resume is not stellar, I will not judge him until we see the product he puts on the field. And then he's fair game!

Player changes: None of significance. Except, potentially, Crabtree (we shall see). Hopefully, MSmith (again, we'll see; no better than JJennings, hopefully less injury prone)

Despite the foregoing, Some are "tough talking" about how we are so much better now and "how dare the analysts predict we won't sweep our division". Well, don't look now but, unlike us, the other teams in the division have upgraded significantly. The Rams are going to have significantly improved O and D lines. Coaching should be better also. Seattle have a previously decimated team returning healthy among other off-season additions. Despite Holmgrens resignation, they have coaching continuity there that is akin to ours. Cardinals have shored up their major weakness: RB. Their organization at the top is unchanged from last year. They went to the SB (show some respect until we actuall prove something)

Now . . . I'm not pessimistic about the future. Every off-season I think "this is going to be the year" . . . because I have no other choice other than to hope that way. But have some HUMILITY, people. The sheer ARROGANCE of some fans reflects poorly on their ability to look at things dispassionately. You'd think after the experiences of the recent past people would wait until the team actually shows something on the field before manufacturing a false reality.

Alright now NHAP . . . have at it!



B R A V O....couldn't agree more.
Originally posted by NinerNZ:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
"The jury is WAAAAY out on him . . . so just hold on before you annoint him "Coach of the Year"."

What I said was that if the team went 10-6, he'd be in the conversation. Of course the jury is out - he's never coached a team for a full season.

Yep . . . you're right. Sorry. I didn't intend to be calling you out as I did not recall that you had made that specific remark. Just the idea of pre-canonizing him is what I was getting at. Not you.





No need to apologize to Brodie. Had I posted what you did he'd be all over me hurling personal attacks. He seems to be sparing you the same (so far). The fact that he even mentions MS and Coach of the Year in the same sentence is absurd nevermind the fact that I can't imagine only 3 more wins the next year would garner consideration for such an honor. That should be a requirement for him just to keep his job!! Don't worry Brodie, I'll be here in Dec. when you're handing out your Coach of the Year honors.

[ Edited by Sabrason on May 28, 2009 at 23:30:07 ]
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by JulandEdward49:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
eh i agree. seahawks to me are the best in the west they were just injured last season then i got cards second and us third. especaily considering we got a new offense coordinator again which i still think is NOT an upgrade over martz.


We should have kept martz. totally agree on that one



Bravo...I agree. Glad to see there are some other realistic and objective fans who value common sense over blind support.

Right, there are "realistic and objective fans" here who know something nobody in the entire NFL knows - that Martz should be employed in the NFL. You "realistic and objective fans" should quickly call the main offices of the NFL and make sure they know their teams are really missing the boat on this one. OH GOD, WHY DOESN'T THE NFL UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS KNOW FOR A FACT??!!!

Sab, I've given you a present over at the Jimmy Raye discussion. I've made a bold prediction so that you can keep it under wraps for later in the year and have lots of fun with it - think if it as my present to you for graduating 8th grade and making it to high school.
Muahahaha, suck it skeletor!!!
Originally posted by zillabeast:
Muahahaha, suck it skeletor!!!

I don't think finishing 2nd is really something to be proud of.
Originally posted by smithgdwg:
Originally posted by zillabeast:
Muahahaha, suck it skeletor!!!

I don't think finishing 2nd is really something to be proud of.

Haha ya, he was off by one spot on a prediction from 7 months ago. You might be able to laugh if the niners were 1st.