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Reasons for an Alex Smith breakout season.

Originally posted by BobS:
Just a question for all you Smith homers on the zone, is this also his " last chance year"? If Alex doesn't do anything of note in 2009 will you stop making excuses for him, and stop talking about his potential? Also realize Hill is just a "stop gap" fix and realize this franchise needs to risk another high draft choice or trade for a QB. Then when that happens label Smith the bust that he is? We have a first pick overall in the draft fighting a career 3rd stringer for starting QB and not many seem to see how really sad that is, especially from a franchise that had names like Tittle, Brodie, Montana, Young and even a guy named Garcia.

Ahhh how refreshing. An actual realist. I don't know how most of you can pretend that this is not a pathetic situation
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by BobS:
Just a question for all you Smith homers on the zone, is this also his " last chance year"? If Alex doesn't do anything of note in 2009 will you stop making excuses for him, and stop talking about his potential? Also realize Hill is just a "stop gap" fix and realize this franchise needs to risk another high draft choice or trade for a QB. Then when that happens label Smith the bust that he is? We have a first pick overall in the draft fighting a career 3rd stringer for starting QB and not many seem to see how really sad that is, especially from a franchise that had names like Tittle, Brodie, Montana, Young and even a guy named Garcia.

Ahhh how refreshing. An actual realist. I don't know how most of you can pretend that this is not a pathetic situation

lol i agree
I want Alex smith to have 2 years with the same OC, then if he still sucks I'm ready to say he has nothing left.
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by BobS:
Just a question for all you Smith homers on the zone, is this also his " last chance year"? If Alex doesn't do anything of note in 2009 will you stop making excuses for him, and stop talking about his potential? Also realize Hill is just a "stop gap" fix and realize this franchise needs to risk another high draft choice or trade for a QB. Then when that happens label Smith the bust that he is? We have a first pick overall in the draft fighting a career 3rd stringer for starting QB and not many seem to see how really sad that is, especially from a franchise that had names like Tittle, Brodie, Montana, Young and even a guy named Garcia.

Ahhh how refreshing. An actual realist. I don't know how most of you can pretend that this is not a pathetic situation

Maybe that 3rd stringer can actually take hold of valuable opportunities that he has had and continue his success.

The class system means nothing in the NFL...it's all about what you do when you play and Shaun Hill has produced far better than any "3rd stringer".
Originally posted by fister30:
All other QBs have a down year?








down century more like it !
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by BobS:
Just a question for all you Smith homers on the zone, is this also his " last chance year"? If Alex doesn't do anything of note in 2009 will you stop making excuses for him, and stop talking about his potential? Also realize Hill is just a "stop gap" fix and realize this franchise needs to risk another high draft choice or trade for a QB. Then when that happens label Smith the bust that he is? We have a first pick overall in the draft fighting a career 3rd stringer for starting QB and not many seem to see how really sad that is, especially from a franchise that had names like Tittle, Brodie, Montana, Young and even a guy named Garcia.

Ahhh how refreshing. An actual realist. I don't know how most of you can pretend that this is not a pathetic situation

Maybe that 3rd stringer can actually take hold of valuable opportunities that he has had and continue his success.

The class system means nothing in the NFL...it's all about what you do when you play and Shaun Hill has produced far better than any "3rd stringer".

totally disagree. There is a concept of certain QBs starting for teams but would be a 3rd stringer on most other teams......and some teams have a better #2 QB than other teams starting QB. So the class system still means a lot to educated fans. That is why it is appropriate to refer to Hill as a career 3rd stringer, just because the Niners happen to be one of the worst teams in the league and thus opens the QB job and other positions to career backups does not magically change their status in the league as a whole when compared to the entire league.

Since Garcia, what has any Niner starting QB ever done in the NFL?

I would say the class system means a whole lot
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Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by BobS:
Just a question for all you Smith homers on the zone, is this also his " last chance year"? If Alex doesn't do anything of note in 2009 will you stop making excuses for him, and stop talking about his potential? Also realize Hill is just a "stop gap" fix and realize this franchise needs to risk another high draft choice or trade for a QB. Then when that happens label Smith the bust that he is? We have a first pick overall in the draft fighting a career 3rd stringer for starting QB and not many seem to see how really sad that is, especially from a franchise that had names like Tittle, Brodie, Montana, Young and even a guy named Garcia.

Ahhh how refreshing. An actual realist. I don't know how most of you can pretend that this is not a pathetic situation

Right on
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by BobS:
Just a question for all you Smith homers on the zone, is this also his " last chance year"? If Alex doesn't do anything of note in 2009 will you stop making excuses for him, and stop talking about his potential? Also realize Hill is just a "stop gap" fix and realize this franchise needs to risk another high draft choice or trade for a QB. Then when that happens label Smith the bust that he is? We have a first pick overall in the draft fighting a career 3rd stringer for starting QB and not many seem to see how really sad that is, especially from a franchise that had names like Tittle, Brodie, Montana, Young and even a guy named Garcia.

Ahhh how refreshing. An actual realist. I don't know how most of you can pretend that this is not a pathetic situation

Maybe that 3rd stringer can actually take hold of valuable opportunities that he has had and continue his success.

The class system means nothing in the NFL...it's all about what you do when you play and Shaun Hill has produced far better than any "3rd stringer".

totally disagree. There is a concept of certain QBs starting for teams but would be a 3rd stringer on most other teams......and some teams have a better #2 QB than other teams starting QB. So the class system still means a lot to educated fans. That is why it is appropriate to refer to Hill as a career 3rd stringer, just because the Niners happen to be one of the worst teams in the league and thus opens the QB job and other positions to career backups does not magically change their status in the league as a whole when compared to the entire league.

Since Garcia, what has any Niner starting QB ever done in the NFL?

I would say the class system means a whole lot

I would buy that if Hill never had a chance to play a down but when he played, he played far better than any teams' second stringer. I don't know how you can look at his play and say his play would not have been as good as another team that has more talent meaning their 2nd stringer is better?

Hill has played better than most teams' first stringers and that's all that you can go by. Before he started or played a down of football in the NFL, then yes, you can say he's just a career 3rd stringer.

The way you are defining it, Kurt Warner is still no better than an Arena League QB.
Too much junk food?



Wow this thread has deteriorated into a Smith bashing circle jerk...
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Wow this thread has deteriorated into a Smith bashing circle jerk...

My post was meant as a little levity given the tendency for everything to be a firefight in NT.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Wow this thread has deteriorated into a Smith bashing circle jerk...

If you want the same type of posts about hill start a "reasons for a shaun hill breakout season" thread. We are good at circle jerks, it does not matter who stands in the middle.
Originally posted by fister30:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Wow this thread has deteriorated into a Smith bashing circle jerk...

If you want the same type of posts about hill start a "reasons for a shaun hill breakout season" thread. We are good at circle jerks, it does not matter who stands in the middle.

Shaun Hill's contributions have been taking advantage of by Niners fans that he doesn't even get a breakout thread, which is why he has been under rated on this board and Alex Smith has been highly over rated if you look at performance.
Originally posted by TowelBoy:
The starting point for this analysis is the fact that Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick in the draft, with elite physical tools, measureables, and intangibles.

Now, he hasn't been successful at all, so the question you have to ask yourself is "why?" If all the reasons for his downfall seem to have been remedied by now, there is pretty good reason to suspect that as his young age and intelligence, Smith still has a breakout year in him.

Poor line protection? Well, it's pretty solid now.

Lack of weapons? Bruce is the man, Morgan is already a breakout performer, and Crabtree is a #1 prospect on the level of a Braylon Edwards/Brandon Marshall/Anquan Boldin. And these aren't the only weapons.

Health issues? He will be ready to go this year. Knock on wood.

Coaching continuity? It seems we're finally putting together a great staff.

Now, I'll sign off with a reminder of Smith's best moment as a pro. This is when I thought he finally turned the corner and showed the "it" factor to be a stud. It was not to be at the time, but at least he has displayed the flashes.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10344718[/quote

New to the forum but not really. I have been a reader of this forum for years, I just have never been a member so it feels as if I know some of you. I used to post on the mercnews FUROM as we used to call it back when it was worth posting on.

That I am currently a 49ers fans should be evidence enough that I'm not a Johnny come lately. As an avid Cowboys hater, I converted back in 81 when the 9ers slayed the dragon as it were and I have been a fan ever since. Admittedly it was gratifying and easy to be a fan from that point on until the great purge of 2003.

I've always been intrigued by AS and am hesitant to write him off as a bust. Admittedly I like the guy he seems like a decent human being. I thought he did reasonably well under Turner at age 22. When you look at what has happened to VY Matt Lienart and what kind of a douchebag Cutler has turned into as well as others in his peer group, how bad is he really? I'm excited to see him play on Friday.

Break me in gentle, peeps.
Here is a solid reason for Alex Smith breakout season as the original poster opinioned:

Alex has missed approx 1.5 seasons of active football due to injuries. However, this season, once again healthy, at least in training camp so far, it is very clear to everyone that Alex has ALREADY caught up to Q.B. Hill and there is a very real Q.B. competition going on as we speak.

You have to be "impressed" with any Q.B. in the case Smith, who sat out 1.5 seasons of football but yet is ALREADY showing the talent and skills to seriously challenge any Q.B. in this case Hill, who has been playing football all during that time.

If Alex ALREADY caught Hill in traning camp, there exist a very REAL chance he will Pass Hill in the starting Q.B. derby before it's all said and done.

Bottom Line: Pre-season games will be a key tell tale.