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Originally posted by Getrdun9ers:
I honestly don't know why for the most part it's only Niners fans that think that Alex Smith is garbage. I talk to so many people over here in Iraq, and back in Japan and everyone thinks that Alex Smith is actually a good QB, he just has been injured the last almost 2 full seasons, and his first season was... well, it was just that. His first season. Everyone over here agrees if he's given a chance to learn one offense, not 5 in 5 seasons he could end up being a good QB. This comes from New England, Dallas, Arizona... and many other fans. It's only our fans that hate him with a passion and think he's worthless.

I'm not saying that I won't support whoever our QB is. As much as I hate to say it, I even supported Dilfer when he was playing, just because he was the one starting. And I'm still hoping Alex pulls through. If he doesn't do good here I hope he leaves here with his head high goes to a GOOD team and gets himself to the Super Bowl and makes all you people that hate him think... damn. I wish we would've kept him.

Take Tom Brady for example. He was skipped over 199 times in the draft. Nobody thought he would end up being any good. Look what happened. Put in the right system, with the right TEAM, and QB can be good, or even great.

Another person we could look at on that level would be Steve Bono, and Jim Drunkenmiller. Neither of them were supposed to be good QB's, but they grew up sitting on the Niners sideline learning the game. When they had to come in to the game finally they were VERY capable of winning. Not because they were great, but the team around them was great.

An opposite example of them would be Ryan Leaf. Supposed to be a GREAT QB.... the next so called Joe Montana. Put on a crappy San Diego team at the time, and didn't do crap.

My point is the Niners of the 80's and early to mid 90's could've done great with any QB simply because of the team around them. QB's don't make a great team, great teams make great QB's. That's the best part about football. It's the only sport you can HONESTLY say is a TEAM sport. Baseball isn't. One person can win a baseball game on his own. Basketball isn't. Take the Lakers for example with that one. Hear me out with this one. It's more like Kobe Bryant and the Lakers. Without Kobe, that team would be garbage. That's right... I said it. Anyways... who cares. I just want the Niners to be great again.

GO NINERS!!!!

I don't know who you talk to, but no one I know says Alex Smith is a good QB. I live in Jersey and have friends who are giants, eagles, skins, jets, cowboys fans. They all think Smith sucks something awful. Maybe that's because he does. I still wonder how anyone could say otherwise. I do agree he's gotten an unfair shake in the NFL due to injuries and coordinators. But that's the nature of the beast. Life isn't fair. Furthermore, even when he was healthy he never showed flashes of being great. I saw about a quarter and a half of solid football from him in a 2006 Seattle game. That's it. And that's not enough to warrant being a "decent" QB. Certainly not enough to warrant him being a good QB. That's laughable.
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by Getrdun9ers:
I honestly don't know why for the most part it's only Niners fans that think that Alex Smith is garbage. I talk to so many people over here in Iraq, and back in Japan and everyone thinks that Alex Smith is actually a good QB, he just has been injured the last almost 2 full seasons, and his first season was... well, it was just that. His first season. Everyone over here agrees if he's given a chance to learn one offense, not 5 in 5 seasons he could end up being a good QB. This comes from New England, Dallas, Arizona... and many other fans. It's only our fans that hate him with a passion and think he's worthless.

I'm not saying that I won't support whoever our QB is. As much as I hate to say it, I even supported Dilfer when he was playing, just because he was the one starting. And I'm still hoping Alex pulls through. If he doesn't do good here I hope he leaves here with his head high goes to a GOOD team and gets himself to the Super Bowl and makes all you people that hate him think... damn. I wish we would've kept him.

Take Tom Brady for example. He was skipped over 199 times in the draft. Nobody thought he would end up being any good. Look what happened. Put in the right system, with the right TEAM, and QB can be good, or even great.

Another person we could look at on that level would be Steve Bono, and Jim Drunkenmiller. Neither of them were supposed to be good QB's, but they grew up sitting on the Niners sideline learning the game. When they had to come in to the game finally they were VERY capable of winning. Not because they were great, but the team around them was great.

An opposite example of them would be Ryan Leaf. Supposed to be a GREAT QB.... the next so called Joe Montana. Put on a crappy San Diego team at the time, and didn't do crap.

My point is the Niners of the 80's and early to mid 90's could've done great with any QB simply because of the team around them. QB's don't make a great team, great teams make great QB's. That's the best part about football. It's the only sport you can HONESTLY say is a TEAM sport. Baseball isn't. One person can win a baseball game on his own. Basketball isn't. Take the Lakers for example with that one. Hear me out with this one. It's more like Kobe Bryant and the Lakers. Without Kobe, that team would be garbage. That's right... I said it. Anyways... who cares. I just want the Niners to be great again.

GO NINERS!!!!

I don't know who you talk to, but no one I know says Alex Smith is a good QB. I live in Jersey and have friends who are giants, eagles, skins, jets, cowboys fans. They all think Smith sucks something awful. Maybe that's because he does. I still wonder how anyone could say otherwise. I do agree he's gotten an unfair shake in the NFL due to injuries and coordinators. But that's the nature of the beast. Life isn't fair. Furthermore, even when he was healthy he never showed flashes of being great. I saw about a quarter and a half of solid football from him in a 2006 Seattle game. That's it. And that's not enough to warrant being a "decent" QB. Certainly not enough to warrant him being a good QB. That's laughable.


You just said yourself that he hasn't been given a good chance.

Perfect example... STEVE YOUNG!!!! Garbage in Tampa Bay... didn't do anything until he got to SF.... You lose....
I said that despite not getting a fair shot he still hasn't shown me anything. I'm going to pretend you didn't mention Steve Young in comparison with Alex Smith.
Originally posted by SF4EVA:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by ayerman:
who's next to lead the niners to the playoffs?

Alex Smith

~Ceadder

i think alex was spurrier

No No Garcia was Spurrier. Spurrier and Garcia were the QB's who had to attempt to followup back to back great franchise QB's. While neither played great enough to fill the shoes of their predecessors...both played well enough for the Niners keep a sliver of dignity and somewhat a competitive force.

Alex Smith, thus far compares more to Jim Plunkett of that time.

Keep this thread on track people. Whomever you believe is our next franchise QB...all the thread is about is that the timing may suggest we are on the precipice of our next 20 year run led by 2 awesome QB's.

Technically the first of these two could still be Alex.

Personally I am a big Sanchez supporter and think he is going to be an NFL great. I will be disappointed if we don't draft him.

[ Edited by danimal on Feb 24, 2009 at 17:49:07 ]
Originally posted by Getrdun9ers:
Everyone over here agrees if he's given a chance to learn one offense, not 5 in 5 seasons he could end up being a good QB. This comes from New England, Dallas, Arizona... and many other fans. It's only our fans that hate him with a passion and think he's worthless.

First of all, Shaun Hill has learned the same offense as Alex Smith the least few years, but somehow Hill is successful while Alex Smith is not. That should tell you something. Second, nobody else is going to "hate him with a passion" for a few reasons: 1. people normally hate a QB because he's been lighting it up (people hate Tom Brady and Peyton Manning because they are the best in the league and will tear their team apart). They don't have that issue with Alex Smith because he is not good. 2. They did not invest heavily in him with the #1 overall pick and a huge contract that he has not lived up to. They don't care about Alex Smith because he does not affect them, so why would they hate him?
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It's true that Brady was pased over and many observers were surprised by how he played in the NFL . But he proved himself as an NFL player from the first time he got on the field as the starter. The difference is that we have over 2 years of watching Alex TRY to play the position of QB in the NFL and after watching him be very mediocre some of us have decided that it is a pretty remote possibility that he could improve ENOUGH to be a top 10 NFL QB ,ever. And that is IF he is healthy. He was never very good when 100% healthy and now who knows how his shoulder will hold up.
He is still pretty young and there is the remote possibilty that the light will go on for Alex and he will greatly improve in the many many areas that he has that are not NFL quality. I hope he does but until that miracle happens I hope we draft another QB this year to sit and learn behind Hill this year or at the latest in next years draft that can be the QB of the future.
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Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
It's true that Brady was pased over and many observers were surprised by how he played in the NFL . But he proved himself as an NFL player from the first time he got on the field as the starter. The difference is that we have over 2 years of watching Alex TRY to play the position of QB in the NFL and after watching him be very mediocre some of us have decided that it is a pretty remote possibility that he could improve ENOUGH to be a top 10 NFL QB ,ever. And that is IF he is healthy. He was never very good when 100% healthy and now who knows how his shoulder will hold up.
He is still pretty young and there is the remote possibilty that the light will go on for Alex and he will greatly improve in the many many areas that he has that are not NFL quality. I hope he does but until that miracle happens I hope we draft another QB this year to sit and learn behind Hill this year or at the latest in next years draft that can be the QB of the future.

Holy S**t! . . . I can't believe that I'm actually agreeing with you on this!
Originally posted by danimal:
by 1973, the 49ers Franchise QB John Brodie; had come to the end of his career. 49er fans who had become spoiled with back to back Franchise QB's in YA Tittle and John Brodie were unafraid. Clearly Steve Spurrier would become yet there new 10+ year signal caller. Not quite. Mercifully the football gods gave the Niner fans a small dose of what other franchises deal with almost constantly. Then came the zoo and for 5 years the 49ers were lost, a team without a leader, a team destined to lose.

Then came Joe. and then Steve. Once again the 49ers knew not of life without a franchise QB for 20 years. And again, mercifully we were given Jeff Garcia who would be the calm before the storm, just as spurrier did a quarter century ago.

It has been 5 years of being lost. Just like the faithful of 1974-1979, we are the true fans of 2004-2009. Twice now the cycle of spoiled, weened to devastated has occured. One can only hope for the 3rd cycle to begin anew.

Wow, what an epiphany!!! Just goes to show you all what kind of night I had...brought this baby back!
so hill is the answer?
Well, this proves it. nate davis is the next joe montana.
Originally posted by SF4EVA:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by ayerman:
who's next to lead the niners to the playoffs?

Alex Smith[img=

~Ceadder[img=

i think alex was spurrier[img=

Bingo!!!
So hill is our Montana?

Wow. Gotta love Niner talk.
whoa....

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Here's to some good quarterback play, hopefully very soon!
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
So hill is our Montana? Wow. Gotta love Niner talk.


no shaun is deberg, alex is plunkett, nate davis is montana, and thats all i have to say about that.