Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Apples:
Jesus, he's not a bust, he's one of our best defensive players! He's not a great pass rusher, but he's damn good in coverage!
GAH! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!
the thing though is...... in a 3-4 defense the main thing is to disguise where the 4 guy is coming from. if manny can't rush the passer then we're essentially going to send the same 4 guys. thus we might as well go 4-3 and get true pass rushing ends.
Its NOT just about what 4 guys are going to be rushing...BUT WHERE ARE THEY RUSHING FROM.
Charles Haley and Fred Dean where both pass-rushing OLBs in a 3-4 and they did OK. NEITHER had a dominant pass rushing OLB on the other side (in both cases it was usually Keena Turner).
In Haley's prime most QB's when passing were taking at least 5 step drops, and a lot of 7 step drops. Today most good QB's will take 3/5 step drops and get rid of the ball just as the DE, or OLB coming from the outside is getting close. They might take a hit but in most cases this will tire out the DE, or OLB before the QB gets hurt. It is very tiring running and running trying to get past a huge OT with long arms who will either 1) push you back behind the QB 2) slow you down enough to let the QB get the ball of OR 3) occasionally give up a sack
This is why it's important to have a DE even in a 3-4 that can rush the QB because the OT must respect the outside rush which in the right scheme can open up a closer gap to the QB on the inside. For years I haven't seem much of this until we got Justin Smith who seems pretty good at opening a inside gap.
So I think it's a little short sighted to imply that Haley was able to do it so today you should be able to do it.
What we need is a DT/NT who can keep the middle of the OL tied up or at least close to the inside to allow the DE to make the OT open up a inside gap. This also presents a problem with the RB not being able to defend 2 gaps on one side of the field as easily as he can one outside gap.
But I don't know everything about football this is just something I have noticed over the years with teams that seems to get very close to sacks, but not get enough pressure to actually stop the pass.