Seattle Seahawks thread

Originally posted by theduke85:

Who is a Seahawks fan? I'm certainly not.

Oh my bad. I mistook you for someone else. Continue.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Who is a Seahawks fan? I'm certainly not.

I rest my case

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by theduke85:
Wow, saying I "have a crush" on Russell Wilson! You did it again! You are so clever! Holy cow, that doesn't sound like something a middle schooler would say at all! I don't feel vindicated at all, I feel completely owned! [Sadly this sarcasm-laced comment will go over his head and he will take it literally and somehow think I am actually conceding this argument.]

Arguing with elguapo is like playing with fire -- if you engage him in an argument, you're going to get burned! Golly gee, did I learn my lesson!

Well reading your biased man love for a glorified game manager is getting old. Also, since you haven't had a rebuttal to any of my points or even sorry excuses for rw, just keep on trucking! Sadly, every point was valid, you look even dumber for changing the subject to me instead of any sane unbiased or logical argument. Geez whiz buddy, you really made your point. You are right, rw is great. Who could argue with you anyway without laughing hysterically

How in god's name am I biased? First of all, I like the 49ers. Second of all, go look at the history of these threads. I used to be very vocal about stating that Russell Wilson was overrated. I used to say that he was insulated because of the defense and Marshawn Lynch.

Then last year, Lynch had only 111 carries and was basically a non-factor. In spite of this, Wilson set career-highs in completion percent (68.1%), passing touchdowns (34), passing yards (4,024) and passer rating (110.1 -- which lead the NFL, by the way). It sucks to be incorrect, but I can eat crow and accept that I was wrong with my prediction that he would take a step back after Lynch was gone. He didn't. He took a step forward. This year, he has 5 UDFA offensive lineman (even worse because he's been battling a leg injury which has greatly-limited his mobility), and yet he's still having a very strong year.

I pointed out a few posts ago how ridiculous your arguments are. When Graham struggles, you say it's because Wilson sucks. When Graham does well, you say he is bailing out Wilson. That is textbook cognitive dissonance. You are either delusional and incapable of recognizing that, or you are a poor sport and can't give your opponent credit.

When Wilson does well against a poor defense, you say that his numbers are inflated because he feasts on weak defenses. When he does well against a good defense (Philly), you say he was "bailed out his teammates" or that "numbers are overrated and they lie, Philly doesn't have a good defense." To say you grasp at straws is an understatement.

For that matter, it's also asinine that you keep arguing that he does better against poor defenses. No kidding. That's common sense. Of course he is going to do better against weaker defenses.

You say that he struggles in the playoffs. Yes, sometimes he does. He was terrible in the NFCCG. As I've pointed out before, nobody is immune to poor performances. For example, Joe Montana -- widely considered the best QB of all-time, especially in the playoffs -- had a three-year stretch where he put up these one-and-done performances:
1985, @ New York: 55 CMP%, 0 TD, 1 INT, 65.6 passer rating
1986, @ New York: 53 CMP%, 0 TD, 2 INT, 34.2 passer rating
1987, Minnesota: 46 CMP%, 0 TD, 1 INT, 42.0 passer rating

That's a three-year stretch where he was one-and-done, threw 0 TD and 4 INT over that span and had a nauseatingly-low passer rating. Yes, he was going up against some tough defense. Yes, the game was more physical back then. But no matter how you spin it, that was an abysmal stretch for Joe.

Overall, Wilson's numbers in the playoffs are very respectable:
60.5 CMP% / 8.4 Y/A / 93.4 passer rating

Compare that to say, Tom Brady:
62.4 CMP% / 6.7 Y/A / 88.0 passer rating

Or Big Ben:
61.5 CMP% / 7.8 Y/A / 84.6 passer rating

Or Aaron Rodgers:
63.8 CMP% / 7.4 Y/A / 98.2 passer rating ....

Or Cam Newton
59.8 CMP% / 8.0 Y/A / 83.9 passer rating

Peyton Manning:
63.2 CPM% / 7.1 Y/A / 87.4 passer rating

Yes, I think he's overrated to some extent. His winning percent wouldn't be as high if he were on a different team. He wouldn't have as many fourth-quarter comebacks if his defense didn't keep every game close. He probably wouldn't have won a Super Bowl if he played somewhere else. You cite the "Wilson struggles when opponents score 24 or more points". In week 9 the Seahawks beat the Bills when they put up 25 points. In week 10, the Seahawks beat the Patriots in New England when they put up 24 points. His career W-L in those games is right around league average now.

It's hard to argue his decision-making (few turnovers), the touch/accuracy he has on his deep passes, or his absolutely ridiculous evasiveness and ability to avoid pressure. He is very poised and composed. He is insufferable in real life and is an absolute phony, but on the football field he is a great player. He's not a game manager. He's easily top 10, and I think he's knocking on the door of being top 5. Year in and year out the dude is ultra productive. Without his legs I think he'd be quite mediocre, but his scrambling ability elevates his game to incredible levels. (I do think this will be a problem for him as he enters his early-mid 30's and starts to lose some of that speed/agility, although this year he did very respectably to start the year without that scrambling ability when he was injured.)

I am still amazed at how this team keeps getting back into gear after 3 years of slow starts. Also very impressed that the NFL has not been able to figure out their defense yet. All this without their DT. We suffered without Justin Smith. SEA defense hasn't budged.

No Lynch. No problem. No Bennett. No problem.

But this is what gets me. No Cam. Problem.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I am still amazed at how this team keeps getting back into gear after 3 years of slow starts. Also very impressed that the NFL has not been able to figure out their defense yet. All this without their DT. We suffered without Justin Smith. SEA defense hasn't budged.

No Lynch. No problem. No Bennett. No problem.

But this is what gets me. No Cam. Problem.

The NFC West doesn't exactly help out last Sunday. Most likely, seahawks win in a weak division. Following the patriots script of the last decade.
seahawks won
49ers lost (surpirse surprise)
Rams lost
Cards lost

Originally posted by JimA49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I am still amazed at how this team keeps getting back into gear after 3 years of slow starts. Also very impressed that the NFL has not been able to figure out their defense yet. All this without their DT. We suffered without Justin Smith. SEA defense hasn't budged.

No Lynch. No problem. No Bennett. No problem.

But this is what gets me. No Cam. Problem.

The NFC West doesn't exactly help out last Sunday. Most likely, seahawks win in a weak division. Following the patriots script of the last decade.
seahawks won
49ers lost (surpirse surprise)
Rams lost
Cards lost

SEA just beat NE and PHI. Their WR's aren't considered anywhere near top in their league. They lose Irvin to free agency, Bennett gets injured, and they have no offensive line. But they keep dominating.* Getting stops when it counts and TD's when it matters.

*Of course, 2 wins each year thanks to the refs messing up enormous key calls...but still.

The 49ers were built very similar but had better WR's a few years ago. I really think the personality and play of Wilson, Sherman, Cam, and Thomas is huge.

Originally posted by elguapo:

There are a lot of qbs that are playmakers but that does not mean they are a great or very good quarterback.

I don't care to explain them to you all because it's been done many times over. But having an elite defense, one of the historically best runs of any defense five years strong Goes pretty far in aiding his wins.

I guess you view him running around and avoiding sex.....sacks....(that was a typo but I like it, it's quite true haha) and throwing up a prayer to a receiver that usually bailed him out as a great play. A lot of times those are just jump balls and as you should know already that is more a result of the receiver going up and making a tremendous catch. All Russell Wilson did was avoid pressure Which many quarterbacks can do that aren't very good like Colin Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor, Jamie's Winston, and so on. (Winston is a solid qb but not very good yet IMO)

His defense won him the Super Bowl

He's running game also won him most of their games after the defense.

He has a horrible record when the opposing team scores on that elite defense (more than 24 points on him). He can't catch up he's not built that way, great quarterbacks are, he is certainly not.

He is quite horrible in the playoffs especially the last few years.

I hope that clears it up for you

They won a sb 43-8 and some back up defensive player was named mvp how is that even possible?

Originally posted by crabman82:

They won a sb 43-8 and some back up defensive player was named mvp how is that even possible?

But if the Broncos had scored 28 the Seahawks would have probably lost that game. Am I reading into this right?

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:

Originally posted by crabman82:

They won a sb 43-8 and some back up defensive player was named mvp how is that even possible?

But if the Broncos had scored 28 the Seahawks would have probably lost that game. Am I reading into this right?

Still would've lost due to Seattle's d and special teams scoring tds.

Up until a few weeks ago, elguapo was talking about how bad Seattle's "no-name receivers" were. Now, they are bailing him out.

I can't wait for the excuses when RW is a finalist for league MVP.

Do 1-2's still want to get rid of Bevell? Or is that only when they lose?

Originally posted by tfer:
Up until a few weeks ago, elguapo was talking about how bad Seattle's "no-name receivers" were. Now, they are bailing him out.

I can't wait for the excuses when RW is a finalist for league MVP.

Wilson continues to be a divisive figure, even among the "experts". Kurt Warner was on the Jim Rome show the other day, and while I did not hear the show, I did read some of the transcript. Kurt Warner characterized Wilson as "polarizing" and "special", but who still has things to learn about being a pocket passer. He noted that in his opinion, Wilson sometimes has trouble diagnosing coverage or maybe in trusting what he sees. Warner seems to have a definite preference for a timing based passer, which has not been RWs strong suit, but he sees growth in that area and thinks that Wilson has potential to be among the best. I thought the comments made a lot of sense - possibly because it agrees with what I think! Wilson uses his athleticism to great advantage, but he also studies hard and works at his trade. He is not the same QB he was in 2013 or even 2014. Wilson has been evolving as a QB over the last 3 years, but elguapo's opinion is set in stone - because he sees no potential for Wilson to learn and grow.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Do 1-2's still want to get rid of Bevell? Or is that only when they lose?

There is a component of the fan base that blames Bevell for every missed block and deep in their heart's believe he is likely responsible for global warming as well. If the Seahawks were to win another Sb with Bevell as the OC they would still be calling for his head. It makes no sense to me as he has consistently delivered a top 10 offense over the last 4 years while working with spare parts left over after the defense takes up 65% of the cap in some years. I thought he did a brilliant job of protecting Wilson when he was virtually immobile and stuck behind a line that is extremely raw. I believe there is a lot of residual anger over the last play of SB 49. The fans need somebody to blame - apparently criticizing Carroll or Wilson is not an alternative, so Bevell gets all the hate. I don't talk about Bevell with some Seahawk fans - they are as flexible as elguapo on his Wilson opinion

Bevell has been rock solid the last 2 years.

Before that, he was either predictable or trying to be too cute. I think he learned more than anybody else, the lessons from the SB loss.

I'm going to stop hating the Seahawks and spend my time hating teams we might actually beat like Oregon State and maybe De La Salle's JVs.