Michael Vick staying with Eagles

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Doubt it

Seeing as how that's one of the effects of this being reported by virtually everyone, not sure what basis you have for your doubt. Without Vick, the free agent market is even more barren than before. Just a total dearth of talent out there.

9ers are in a pinch...pay the 8 mill or let him go.

Teams are willing to draft a QB first then trade for a back up QB

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Doubt it

Seeing as how that's one of the effects of this being reported by virtually everyone, not sure what basis you have for your doubt. Without Vick, the free agent market is even more barren than before. Just a total dearth of talent out there.

9ers are in a pinch...pay the 8 mill or let him go.

Teams are willing to draft a QB first then trade for a back up QB

By that rationale, would you draft what's available like Blaine Gabbert was or pick up Alex Smith? Just a hypothetical. When you don't have a good crop of QB's in the draft, why take the risk? Draft someone that you can develop and pick up a free agent that can help get you back on your feet in the short term.

DAMMIT

So much for that idea

#kaepnmike2013 is a no go.

Originally posted by sacguy08:
By that rationale, would you draft what's available like Blaine Gabbert was or pick up Alex Smith? Just a hypothetical. When you don't have a good crop of QB's in the draft, why take the risk? Draft someone that you can develop and pick up a free agent that can help get you back on your feet in the short term.

I think that is exactly what the poster is saying. Draft some scrub QB in the 1st round just for the sake of drafting one. Who would want a QB that could win now and you'd only need a 2nd or 3rd round pick?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by sacguy08:
By that rationale, would you draft what's available like Blaine Gabbert was or pick up Alex Smith? Just a hypothetical. When you don't have a good crop of QB's in the draft, why take the risk? Draft someone that you can develop and pick up a free agent that can help get you back on your feet in the short term.

I think that is exactly what the poster is saying. Draft some scrub QB in the 1st round just for the sake of drafting one. Who would want a QB that could win now and you'd only need a 2nd or 3rd round pick?

not drafting a scrub but drafting a potential number 1 QB, (back up plan)

The teams that need a QB right now suck, why would they invest in a back up QB for 8-9 mill when there's more needed through out that team.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not drafting a scrub but drafting a potential number 1 QB, (back up plan)

The teams that need a QB right now suck, why would they invest in a back up QB for 8-9 mill when there's more needed through out that team.

Yep, Buffalo, Cleveland, KC, Ari all do pretty much suck. If they use a 1st Rounder to pick up someone else that sucks, 3-4 years from now, they will still be in the basement. With Vick resigning and it looks like Foles will stay in Philly, that leaves Alex, maybe Flynn, maybe Flacco (depending on the Tag he gets) and a whole pile of bad potential rookies.

You trade for Alex, you have a starter for 4-5 years that you can build around. And he isnt a $20 million qb, as far as starters go, hes pretty cheap. So you can build around that. Cleveland has Richardson and a high DP, assuming they resign Thomas, he has protection. Buf has Spiller and a few wideouts, KC has alot of pieces in place and will likely tag Bowe, all they need is a qb.

Are you trying to say that any of these teams wouldnt want to be a contender now (especially KC with that horrible division) with Alex as opposed to drafting in the top ten for the next 4 years while hoping they get a shot at a Kap, RG3 or Luck?

Originally posted by frozen49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not drafting a scrub but drafting a potential number 1 QB, (back up plan)

The teams that need a QB right now suck, why would they invest in a back up QB for 8-9 mill when there's more needed through out that team.

Yep, Buffalo, Cleveland, KC, Ari all do pretty much suck. If they use a 1st Rounder to pick up someone else that sucks, 3-4 years from now, they will still be in the basement. With Vick resigning and it looks like Foles will stay in Philly, that leaves Alex, maybe Flynn, maybe Flacco (depending on the Tag he gets) and a whole pile of bad potential rookies.

You trade for Alex, you have a starter for 4-5 years that you can build around. And he isnt a $20 million qb, as far as starters go, hes pretty cheap. So you can build around that. Cleveland has Richardson and a high DP, assuming they resign Thomas, he has protection. Buf has Spiller and a few wideouts, KC has alot of pieces in place and will likely tag Bowe, all they need is a qb.

Are you trying to say that any of these teams wouldnt want to be a contender now (especially KC with that horrible division) with Alex as opposed to drafting in the top ten for the next 4 years while hoping they get a shot at a Kap, RG3 or Luck?

8 years in the league, only 1.5 of those years were ok.

AS is still a risk which will be more expensive trade wise then drafting a rookie.

Buff is locked up with Fitz
Cleveland might stay with Weed since he did better than expected with that offense.
KC has been burned by too many FA QBs
AZ would need to give up a very high pick.

AS is going to get cut, every team knows it and will wait.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
8 years in the league, only 1.5 of those years were ok.

AS is still a risk which will be more expensive trade wise then drafting a rookie.

Buff is locked up with Fitz
Cleveland might stay with Weed since he did better than expected with that offense.
KC has been burned by too many FA QBs
AZ would need to give up a very high pick.

AS is going to get cut, every team knows it and will wait.

I can understand your reasoning, just dont agree with it. Guess we'll all find out in about a month.

How the fuk does he keep getting $100 million deals only to have then voided within 2 years

Philly fans are huge dush bags but in regards to the Eagles I don't have much animosity towards them. Way over hyped for the past two years but they have players I generally like (Nnamdi, DJack, McCoy, Demeco, Vick) so I hope Michael Vick redeems himself.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
8 years in the league, only 1.5 of those years were ok.

AS is still a risk which will be more expensive trade wise then drafting a rookie.

Buff is locked up with Fitz
Cleveland might stay with Weed since he did better than expected with that offense.
KC has been burned by too many FA QBs
AZ would need to give up a very high pick.

AS is going to get cut, every team knows it and will wait.

I'd say Smith has 3.5 solid seasons, maybe 4.5 if you want to count that season under Norv Turner.

Under Mike Singletary, Smith completed 429 passes on 714 attempts- a 60% completion percentage. He threw for 4,720 yards (a 236 yard per game average), with 32 touchdowns and 22 interceptions. What he has done for the last year and a half, we are all aware of. Any team that trades for Alex Smith (and the smart thing to do would be to trade), would get a very solid QB, that can hold down the job for a few years, or at least until his contract expires and a QB drafted later is ready. The best thing a team like Kansas City or Jacksonville can do is draft an elite player with their first round pick that is ready to start on day 1. Use the 2nd rounder on Alex Smith (and if you are Kansas City, you'd at least have a chance of making the playoffs in 2013), and pick a quarterback later on to develop.

Eggles fans weren't so boastful last year were they?

dumba$$es! vick has been screwing up the eagles for the last 3 years. either he is a turnover machine or he throws off the eagles season by getting injured. not a good way to start your NFL HC career Kelly =/