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Cap room as of November 1st, NFLPA Version (49ers have $579K)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/01/current-cap-spac-nflpa-version/

Jaguars $20.1 million

Eagles $20.1 million

Browns $14.5 million

Titans $14.1 million

Chiefs $13.8 million

Seahawks $13.5 million

Broncos $12.1 million

Bills $11.7 million

Buccaneers $11.7 million

Bengals $9.0 million

Vikings $8.4 million

Packers $7.5 million

Dolphins $7.0 million

Cardinals $6.9 million

Patriots $6.4 million

Colts $5.0 million

Raiders $4.6 million

Bears $4.2 million

Jets $4.2 million

Panthers $4.0 million

Cowboys $3.7 million

Redskins $3.3 million

Saints $2.9 million

Texans $2.7 million

Lions $2.5 million

Giants $2.2 million

Chargers $2.0 million

Rams $2.0 million

Ravens $1.4 million

Falcons $1.1 million

Steelers $1.1 million

49ers $579,000
Did we not pay Willis like $17 million this year? And thus next year his salary is cleared out allowing us more cap room than what appears? In other words we tried to load him heavily to this year and free up dollars for next year. I don't think our cap is as bad as it seems for 2013.
Nice job AB. 49ers are going to have to make some tough decisions in the off-season.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Did we not pay Willis like $17 million this year? And thus next year his salary is cleared out allowing us more cap room than what appears? In other words we tried to load him heavily to this year and free up dollars for next year. I don't think our cap is as bad as it seems for 2013.

It isn't as bad as it seems, we still need to clear cap room. That should be easy with Haralson and possibly Goodwin being cut, plus extending Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Nice job AB. 49ers are going to have to make some tough decisions in the off-season.

Yep, possibly down to Goldson or Sopoaga.
back in cap hell i see
Cheap ass Yorks need to spend the 579k.
Originally posted by Janitor:
Cheap ass Yorks need to spend the 579k.

I know! That 579 is the difference between a superbowl and another NFCCG exit!
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Did we not pay Willis like $17 million this year? And thus next year his salary is cleared out allowing us more cap room than what appears? In other words we tried to load him heavily to this year and free up dollars for next year. I don't think our cap is as bad as it seems for 2013.

It isn't as bad as it seems, we still need to clear cap room. That should be easy with Haralson and possibly Goodwin being cut, plus extending Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Nice job AB. 49ers are going to have to make some tough decisions in the off-season.

Yep, possibly down to Goldson or Sopoaga.


Well that's no choice at all. Goldson is 10 times more valuable to this team than Sopoaga.
AB .. if you were the GM do you see anyway possible to sign Goldson, Bowman, Davis and Iupati as their contracts come up for renewal? Or are we going to have to let someone or a few of them walk?
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Originally posted by Janitor:
Cheap ass Yorks need to spend the 579k.

will probably have to lock up the water and sports drinks again
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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Did we not pay Willis like $17 million this year? And thus next year his salary is cleared out allowing us more cap room than what appears? In other words we tried to load him heavily to this year and free up dollars for next year. I don't think our cap is as bad as it seems for 2013.

It isn't as bad as it seems, we still need to clear cap room. That should be easy with Haralson and possibly Goodwin being cut, plus extending Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Nice job AB. 49ers are going to have to make some tough decisions in the off-season.

Yep, possibly down to Goldson or Sopoaga.
i asume you draft a haralson replacement, like i thought they should have done with the second pick this year? also if you cut goodwin, is his replacement currently on the roster? i do not know if it is and if not, draft a rookie center? that makes me nervous
Originally posted by SportsFan:
AB .. if you were the GM do you see anyway possible to sign Goldson, Bowman, Davis and Iupati as their contracts come up for renewal? Or are we going to have to let someone or a few of them walk?

Right now for 2014 season we have $85,250,836 committed in player salaries for 28 players. If the cap is only $122M as it has been hinted at, we have $36,749,164 in cap room. Now say we extend J.Smith, Whitner and Akers all through at least 2014. Below is the extensions I would do.

Justin Smith: He has a $7.5M Base in 2013, extend and lower down to $940k, and extend him through 2015, which would be an extra 3 seasons he would be a 49er, and may be inline for retiring. We convert the left over base of $6.56M into a signing bonus over 3 seasons, which would be around $2,186,666, we would have saved $4,373,334 in 2013 cap room. Could be more if we extend through 2016, but lets say 3 more years.

I would think this would be his base salaries.

2013- $940K + 2,186,666 = $3.126.666, plus his $500K workout bonus would be $3,626,666
2014- $3,500,000 + $2,186,666 = $5,686,666
2015 - $6,500,000 + $2,186,666 = $8,686,666

Total value: 3yr $17,981,998 (I would bump it up to around $18.25M with extra workout bonus).

We could guaranteed his 2013 and 2015 base salaries, 2013 since he lowered it down and 2015 to make him feel secured. Also guarantee his workout bonus in 2013.

Donte Whitner- He has a $3.75M base salary, and lowered down to $840K(Minimum for his time accrued), and extended through 2015, his bonus would end being $2.91M prorated over 3 seasons at $970K, saving us $1.84M in cap room in 2013. Now lets have his salaries below.

2013- $940K base, $250K workout, $833,333 previous Bonus and new bonus $970K = $2,993,333
2014- $2M base, $250K workout, $970K bonus = $3.22M
2015- $3M base, $250K workout, $970K bonus = $4.22M

Total Value: 3yr $10.433.333

We would guarantee his 2013 base and workout bonus.

David Akers – He has a $3M base salary, down to $940K, convert into a $2.06M bonus, prorated over 3 seasons at $686,666, Saving us $1,373,334. Below is new contract.

2013 - $940K base, $686,666 new bonus, $566,667 old bonus, and $50K incentive = $2,243,333
2014- $1.5M base, $686,666 and $50K incentive = $2,236,666
2015 - $2.5M base, $686,666 and $50K = $3,236,666

Total Value: 3yr $7,716,665

Now those 3 total $11,243,332 in 2014 cap room, and save us $7,586,668 in 2013 cap room. Plus cut Haralson($2.87M savings) and Goodwin($4.35M savings), gives us $14,806,668 in cap room, plus $3.5M gives us total of $18,306,668 to work with.

Lets say we use $5M on draftees, lets assume $5M for those picks in 2014, probably less, as we wont use all of our picks.

That now for 2013 and 2014, gives us $13,306,668 for 2013 cap room, and with $11,243,332 plus $5M, we would have now $20,505,832 in 2014 cap room.

Now we get into extensions for Goldson first. I would do this, 2015 I would load up for Goldson, right now we have $72,663,091 in cap room(yes that much), for only 13 players signed, now add in $16,143,332 for Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers extensions we have $56,519,759 in cap room before any new extensions, and lets add an extra $15M for 2013 picks, leaves us $41,519,759 under cap.

I'll explain 2014 draftees and effect on 2014 cap in a minute.

Goldson's deal would be loaded for 2015. I would do a fair deal, 5yr $35M deal, $7M average, which is fair value for a hard hitting, but not great in coverage FS. I would make it so we used up around $4M in 2013 cap room, $6M in 2014, $8.5M in 2015, then in last 2 years $8.25M each. Of course I would give him a nice signing bonus so he has that money up front, but prorated for cap purposes.

That would put us like this for each season

2013 - $9,306,668 in cap room
2014 - $14,505,832 in cap room
2015 - $33,019,759 in cap room

Now draftees. We will likely have less picks in 2014, we do own Carolina's 7th, but not a major hit on cap room there. Lets say $3M for 2014 picks, plus $3M again for those picks in 2015 cap. Now leaves us $11,505,832 under 2014 cap and $30,019,759 under 2015 cap.

Bowman is next. We would do his deal in 2014 offseason IMO, helps cap wise.

We give him 5yr $45M deal, with $20M guaranteed.

Breakdown like this, 2014 would be $5M, 2015 would be the big year, like Goldson is, $9M, 2015 would be $10M, 2016 and 2017 would be $12M each. Those last 2 years are when the cap should jump up, plus we have like 5 players signed right now for that year.

That now effects the 2014 and 2015 cap this way.

2014 - $6,505,832 under (But we have Goldson, Bowman and 2013 AND 2014 picks signed)
2015 - $21,019,759 under

Now 2015 draft wise, say $4M at most, leaves us under by $17,019,759 for 2015.

We would have done in 2 offseasons, Goldson, Bowman, Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers all extended, plus 2 years of draft picks. Plus we still have $9.3M for 2013 offseason to sign some of our FAs. We can also in 2015 offseason do this.

Extend Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis and Aldon Smith.

Iupati around 5yr $35M ($7M average)

Davis around 4yr $25M ($6.25M average)

Aldon around 6yr $60M ($10M average)

I wont go deep into the contracts, just for cap wise, we would use around lets say $3M for Iupati, $4M for Davis and $8M for Aldon, so shave off $15M off that 21M, down to $6M in cap room. Of course the way Baalke and Marathe do contracts, they would structure them more back loaded for 2016 and 2017. So maybe 4M less in 2015, so we have $10M in cap room.

Basically it can be done. We would probably need to decide in 2014 offseason on Mario Manningham or Tarell Brown. Possibly we can keep both if they are willing to sign long term, 4 yr deals, loaded in 2016, maybe shave only $4M at most off 2014 cap room. Then we would have kept these guys together.

2015 offseason needs to decide on Crabtree, Miller, Hunter, Culliver and Kaepernick.

We could see Kaep era start by then, meaning Alex is gone after 2014, or before, would save $9.25M to cut Alex before 2014 begins, giving us power to extend Crabtree or someone else earlier.

Guys signed long term then.

We would have re-signed the following in 3 offseasons.

Kaep, Hunter, Miller, Culliver, Bowman, Aldon, A.Davis, Iupati, Mario, Brown, possibly Crabtree if we decide to cut Alex. Whitner, J.Smith and Akers.

All In all, it is possible, very possible, and it will be tight, not just in SF but everywhere. So we may see some guys take less money to stay and win a title.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Did we not pay Willis like $17 million this year? And thus next year his salary is cleared out allowing us more cap room than what appears? In other words we tried to load him heavily to this year and free up dollars for next year. I don't think our cap is as bad as it seems for 2013.

It isn't as bad as it seems, we still need to clear cap room. That should be easy with Haralson and possibly Goodwin being cut, plus extending Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Nice job AB. 49ers are going to have to make some tough decisions in the off-season.

Yep, possibly down to Goldson or Sopoaga.
i asume you draft a haralson replacement, like i thought they should have done with the second pick this year? also if you cut goodwin, is his replacement currently on the roster? i do not know if it is and if not, draft a rookie center? that makes me nervous

Yeah, I would draft Haralson's replacement early. By 3rd round, Carolina pick. Goodwin would be a tough cut, I can see us taking a Center very early. Some good ones, Barrett Jones, Dalton Freeman, and Khaled Holmes in the draft for 2013.
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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by SportsFan:
AB .. if you were the GM do you see anyway possible to sign Goldson, Bowman, Davis and Iupati as their contracts come up for renewal? Or are we going to have to let someone or a few of them walk?

Right now for 2014 season we have $85,250,836 committed in player salaries for 28 players. If the cap is only $122M as it has been hinted at, we have $36,749,164 in cap room. Now say we extend J.Smith, Whitner and Akers all through at least 2014. Below is the extensions I would do.

Justin Smith: He has a $7.5M Base in 2013, extend and lower down to $940k, and extend him through 2015, which would be an extra 3 seasons he would be a 49er, and may be inline for retiring. We convert the left over base of $6.56M into a signing bonus over 3 seasons, which would be around $2,186,666, we would have saved $4,373,334 in 2013 cap room. Could be more if we extend through 2016, but lets say 3 more years.

I would think this would be his base salaries.

2013- $940K + 2,186,666 = $3.126.666, plus his $500K workout bonus would be $3,626,666
2014- $3,500,000 + $2,186,666 = $5,686,666
2015 - $6,500,000 + $2,186,666 = $8,686,666

Total value: 3yr $17,981,998 (I would bump it up to around $18.25M with extra workout bonus).

We could guaranteed his 2013 and 2015 base salaries, 2013 since he lowered it down and 2015 to make him feel secured. Also guarantee his workout bonus in 2013.

Donte Whitner- He has a $3.75M base salary, and lowered down to $840K(Minimum for his time accrued), and extended through 2015, his bonus would end being $2.91M prorated over 3 seasons at $970K, saving us $1.84M in cap room in 2013. Now lets have his salaries below.

2013- $940K base, $250K workout, $833,333 previous Bonus and new bonus $970K = $2,993,333
2014- $2M base, $250K workout, $970K bonus = $3.22M
2015- $3M base, $250K workout, $970K bonus = $4.22M

Total Value: 3yr $10.433.333

We would guarantee his 2013 base and workout bonus.

David Akers – He has a $3M base salary, down to $940K, convert into a $2.06M bonus, prorated over 3 seasons at $686,666, Saving us $1,373,334. Below is new contract.

2013 - $940K base, $686,666 new bonus, $566,667 old bonus, and $50K incentive = $2,243,333
2014- $1.5M base, $686,666 and $50K incentive = $2,236,666
2015 - $2.5M base, $686,666 and $50K = $3,236,666

Total Value: 3yr $7,716,665

Now those 3 total $11,243,332 in 2014 cap room, and save us $7,586,668 in 2013 cap room. Plus cut Haralson($2.87M savings) and Goodwin($4.35M savings), gives us $14,806,668 in cap room, plus $3.5M gives us total of $18,306,668 to work with.

Lets say we use $5M on draftees, lets assume $5M for those picks in 2014, probably less, as we wont use all of our picks.

That now for 2013 and 2014, gives us $13,306,668 for 2013 cap room, and with $11,243,332 plus $5M, we would have now $20,505,832 in 2014 cap room.

Now we get into extensions for Goldson first. I would do this, 2015 I would load up for Goldson, right now we have $72,663,091 in cap room(yes that much), for only 13 players signed, now add in $16,143,332 for Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers extensions we have $56,519,759 in cap room before any new extensions, and lets add an extra $15M for 2013 picks, leaves us $41,519,759 under cap.

I'll explain 2014 draftees and effect on 2014 cap in a minute.

Goldson's deal would be loaded for 2015. I would do a fair deal, 5yr $35M deal, $7M average, which is fair value for a hard hitting, but not great in coverage FS. I would make it so we used up around $4M in 2013 cap room, $6M in 2014, $8.5M in 2015, then in last 2 years $8.25M each. Of course I would give him a nice signing bonus so he has that money up front, but prorated for cap purposes.

That would put us like this for each season

2013 - $9,306,668 in cap room
2014 - $14,505,832 in cap room
2015 - $33,019,759 in cap room

Now draftees. We will likely have less picks in 2014, we do own Carolina's 7th, but not a major hit on cap room there. Lets say $3M for 2014 picks, plus $3M again for those picks in 2015 cap. Now leaves us $11,505,832 under 2014 cap and $30,019,759 under 2015 cap.

Bowman is next. We would do his deal in 2014 offseason IMO, helps cap wise.

We give him 5yr $45M deal, with $20M guaranteed.

Breakdown like this, 2014 would be $5M, 2015 would be the big year, like Goldson is, $9M, 2015 would be $10M, 2016 and 2017 would be $12M each. Those last 2 years are when the cap should jump up, plus we have like 5 players signed right now for that year.

That now effects the 2014 and 2015 cap this way.

2014 - $6,505,832 under (But we have Goldson, Bowman and 2013 AND 2014 picks signed)
2015 - $21,019,759 under

Now 2015 draft wise, say $4M at most, leaves us under by $17,019,759 for 2015.

We would have done in 2 offseasons, Goldson, Bowman, Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers all extended, plus 2 years of draft picks. Plus we still have $9.3M for 2013 offseason to sign some of our FAs. We can also in 2015 offseason do this.

Extend Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis and Aldon Smith.

Iupati around 5yr $35M ($7M average)

Davis around 4yr $25M ($6.25M average)

Aldon around 6yr $60M ($10M average)

I wont go deep into the contracts, just for cap wise, we would use around lets say $3M for Iupati, $4M for Davis and $8M for Aldon, so shave off $15M off that 21M, down to $6M in cap room. Of course the way Baalke and Marathe do contracts, they would structure them more back loaded for 2016 and 2017. So maybe 4M less in 2015, so we have $10M in cap room.

Basically it can be done. We would probably need to decide in 2014 offseason on Mario Manningham or Tarell Brown. Possibly we can keep both if they are willing to sign long term, 4 yr deals, loaded in 2016, maybe shave only $4M at most off 2014 cap room. Then we would have kept these guys together.

2015 offseason needs to decide on Crabtree, Miller, Hunter, Culliver and Kaepernick.

We could see Kaep era start by then, meaning Alex is gone after 2014, or before, would save $9.25M to cut Alex before 2014 begins, giving us power to extend Crabtree or someone else earlier.

Guys signed long term then.

We would have re-signed the following in 3 offseasons.

Kaep, Hunter, Miller, Culliver, Bowman, Aldon, A.Davis, Iupati, Mario, Brown, possibly Crabtree if we decide to cut Alex. Whitner, J.Smith and Akers.

All In all, it is possible, very possible, and it will be tight, not just in SF but everywhere. So we may see some guys take less money to stay and win a title.
what would it do to your calculations if you sub the word ck in for smith in regards to cutting a quarterback. if you commit to alex and cut ck how does that change the mix? maybe i missed it but i assume we are also cutting dixons worthless ass
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by SportsFan:
AB .. if you were the GM do you see anyway possible to sign Goldson, Bowman, Davis and Iupati as their contracts come up for renewal? Or are we going to have to let someone or a few of them walk?

Right now for 2014 season we have $85,250,836 committed in player salaries for 28 players. If the cap is only $122M as it has been hinted at, we have $36,749,164 in cap room. Now say we extend J.Smith, Whitner and Akers all through at least 2014. Below is the extensions I would do.

Justin Smith: He has a $7.5M Base in 2013, extend and lower down to $940k, and extend him through 2015, which would be an extra 3 seasons he would be a 49er, and may be inline for retiring. We convert the left over base of $6.56M into a signing bonus over 3 seasons, which would be around $2,186,666, we would have saved $4,373,334 in 2013 cap room. Could be more if we extend through 2016, but lets say 3 more years.

I would think this would be his base salaries.

2013- $940K + 2,186,666 = $3.126.666, plus his $500K workout bonus would be $3,626,666
2014- $3,500,000 + $2,186,666 = $5,686,666
2015 - $6,500,000 + $2,186,666 = $8,686,666

Total value: 3yr $17,981,998 (I would bump it up to around $18.25M with extra workout bonus).

We could guaranteed his 2013 and 2015 base salaries, 2013 since he lowered it down and 2015 to make him feel secured. Also guarantee his workout bonus in 2013.

Donte Whitner- He has a $3.75M base salary, and lowered down to $840K(Minimum for his time accrued), and extended through 2015, his bonus would end being $2.91M prorated over 3 seasons at $970K, saving us $1.84M in cap room in 2013. Now lets have his salaries below.

2013- $940K base, $250K workout, $833,333 previous Bonus and new bonus $970K = $2,993,333
2014- $2M base, $250K workout, $970K bonus = $3.22M
2015- $3M base, $250K workout, $970K bonus = $4.22M

Total Value: 3yr $10.433.333

We would guarantee his 2013 base and workout bonus.

David Akers – He has a $3M base salary, down to $940K, convert into a $2.06M bonus, prorated over 3 seasons at $686,666, Saving us $1,373,334. Below is new contract.

2013 - $940K base, $686,666 new bonus, $566,667 old bonus, and $50K incentive = $2,243,333
2014- $1.5M base, $686,666 and $50K incentive = $2,236,666
2015 - $2.5M base, $686,666 and $50K = $3,236,666

Total Value: 3yr $7,716,665

Now those 3 total $11,243,332 in 2014 cap room, and save us $7,586,668 in 2013 cap room. Plus cut Haralson($2.87M savings) and Goodwin($4.35M savings), gives us $14,806,668 in cap room, plus $3.5M gives us total of $18,306,668 to work with.

Lets say we use $5M on draftees, lets assume $5M for those picks in 2014, probably less, as we wont use all of our picks.

That now for 2013 and 2014, gives us $13,306,668 for 2013 cap room, and with $11,243,332 plus $5M, we would have now $20,505,832 in 2014 cap room.

Now we get into extensions for Goldson first. I would do this, 2015 I would load up for Goldson, right now we have $72,663,091 in cap room(yes that much), for only 13 players signed, now add in $16,143,332 for Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers extensions we have $56,519,759 in cap room before any new extensions, and lets add an extra $15M for 2013 picks, leaves us $41,519,759 under cap.

I'll explain 2014 draftees and effect on 2014 cap in a minute.

Goldson's deal would be loaded for 2015. I would do a fair deal, 5yr $35M deal, $7M average, which is fair value for a hard hitting, but not great in coverage FS. I would make it so we used up around $4M in 2013 cap room, $6M in 2014, $8.5M in 2015, then in last 2 years $8.25M each. Of course I would give him a nice signing bonus so he has that money up front, but prorated for cap purposes.

That would put us like this for each season

2013 - $9,306,668 in cap room
2014 - $14,505,832 in cap room
2015 - $33,019,759 in cap room

Now draftees. We will likely have less picks in 2014, we do own Carolina's 7th, but not a major hit on cap room there. Lets say $3M for 2014 picks, plus $3M again for those picks in 2015 cap. Now leaves us $11,505,832 under 2014 cap and $30,019,759 under 2015 cap.

Bowman is next. We would do his deal in 2014 offseason IMO, helps cap wise.

We give him 5yr $45M deal, with $20M guaranteed.

Breakdown like this, 2014 would be $5M, 2015 would be the big year, like Goldson is, $9M, 2015 would be $10M, 2016 and 2017 would be $12M each. Those last 2 years are when the cap should jump up, plus we have like 5 players signed right now for that year.

That now effects the 2014 and 2015 cap this way.

2014 - $6,505,832 under (But we have Goldson, Bowman and 2013 AND 2014 picks signed)
2015 - $21,019,759 under

Now 2015 draft wise, say $4M at most, leaves us under by $17,019,759 for 2015.

We would have done in 2 offseasons, Goldson, Bowman, Justin Smith, Whitner and Akers all extended, plus 2 years of draft picks. Plus we still have $9.3M for 2013 offseason to sign some of our FAs. We can also in 2015 offseason do this.

Extend Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis and Aldon Smith.

Iupati around 5yr $35M ($7M average)

Davis around 4yr $25M ($6.25M average)

Aldon around 6yr $60M ($10M average)

I wont go deep into the contracts, just for cap wise, we would use around lets say $3M for Iupati, $4M for Davis and $8M for Aldon, so shave off $15M off that 21M, down to $6M in cap room. Of course the way Baalke and Marathe do contracts, they would structure them more back loaded for 2016 and 2017. So maybe 4M less in 2015, so we have $10M in cap room.

Basically it can be done. We would probably need to decide in 2014 offseason on Mario Manningham or Tarell Brown. Possibly we can keep both if they are willing to sign long term, 4 yr deals, loaded in 2016, maybe shave only $4M at most off 2014 cap room. Then we would have kept these guys together.

2015 offseason needs to decide on Crabtree, Miller, Hunter, Culliver and Kaepernick.

We could see Kaep era start by then, meaning Alex is gone after 2014, or before, would save $9.25M to cut Alex before 2014 begins, giving us power to extend Crabtree or someone else earlier.

Guys signed long term then.

We would have re-signed the following in 3 offseasons.

Kaep, Hunter, Miller, Culliver, Bowman, Aldon, A.Davis, Iupati, Mario, Brown, possibly Crabtree if we decide to cut Alex. Whitner, J.Smith and Akers.

All In all, it is possible, very possible, and it will be tight, not just in SF but everywhere. So we may see some guys take less money to stay and win a title.
what would it do to your calculations if you sub the word ck in for smith in regards to cutting a quarterback. if you commit to alex and cut ck how does that change the mix? maybe i missed it but i assume we are also cutting dixons worthless ass

Oh yeah, Dixon you're cut, see ya in the unemployment line. I know harsh, but I can't stand his ass.

We could commit to Alex and not sign Kaep, but then Niner Talk might implode if we haven't gotten #6 by then. Then imagine the WZ being truly into chaos.

All seriousness, besides Dixon, which I am serious his ass is gone after 2012. I dont see a real problem keeping Alex and Kaep, but it comes doen in 2015 offseason, by then we will know, because Alex is signed through 2014, so is it Alex extended, or Kaep extended. I feel this is Tebow/Jets type of thing in 2015. Didn't work in NY, so may not here.