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Terrell Owens cannot be tolerated, even by the Indoor Football League

Originally posted by cciowa:
rice did drop it alot during his first 6 games as a rookie,, he did whine and was a diva after our third super bowl win as he complained he was not getting enough respect. and he also held out one year which was major news. He came back and was called for offside twice in one game, John madden ripped him saying a wide out should never be off side. rice had a couple bouts where we was a problem child but in the end no biggie,, owens on the other hand has to generate, create or prolong drama, otherwise he would have to live a normal life

No biggie? Of course not, he was held to a completely different standard than Owens.

Here's a little glimpse into the Rice years:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_IqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=39cFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2122,4484504&dq=jerry+rice+1991+unhappy&hl=en

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/2000/young/si_flashback_053193/

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/sep/28/sports/sp-27320

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1998-11-26/sports/9811260091_1_jerry-rice-moss-bettis

http://findarticles.com/p/news-artic.../ai_n51295947/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1014799/2/index.htm

http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstoryn....3c93cb54.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3624319

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nfl&id=3153933


http://157.166.224.105/vault/article...35/3/index.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/01/sports/sp-49517


http://a.espncdn.com/page2/s/murphy/030520.html

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jan/07/sports/sp-61347


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=eQFZAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dhUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2919,4137382&dq=jerry+rice+complained&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TpczAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=2078,3183179&dq=jerry+rice+complained&hl=en

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=FB&p_theme=fb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EAE8B8812A9FCA2&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SB&p_theme=sb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB0462A6DE96EFB&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=DM&p_theme=dm&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0ED3D3CFE95EC65E&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
[ Edited by DerekJeterForGG on Jun 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM ]
Originally posted by DerekJeterForGG:

Steve Young handled it with class. Montana didn't. There's no secret there. You are only interested in revisionist history, though.
wow! Don't have much time to post but, you either weren't around for that era or you were high.

I own hundreds of 49ers games from the Rice years on DVD. I have never witnessed a more drops-prone receiver than Jerry Rice. It's not even close. Pull out your 94-95 NFC Championship game vs. Dallas. 3 drops, right there.

If you own all these videos Taber, then pullem out and lets see the proof.

Link some of these drop prone games for us all to see. Prove your statements.
Originally posted by DerekJeterForGG:
Originally posted by cciowa:
rice did drop it alot during his first 6 games as a rookie,, he did whine and was a diva after our third super bowl win as he complained he was not getting enough respect. and he also held out one year which was major news. He came back and was called for offside twice in one game, John madden ripped him saying a wide out should never be off side. rice had a couple bouts where we was a problem child but in the end no biggie,, owens on the other hand has to generate, create or prolong drama, otherwise he would have to live a normal life

No biggie? Of course not, he was held to a completely different standard than Owens.

Here's a little glimpse into the Rice years:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_IqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=39cFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2122,4484504&dq=jerry+rice+1991+unhappy&hl=en

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/2000/young/si_flashback_053193/

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/sep/28/sports/sp-27320

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1998-11-26/sports/9811260091_1_jerry-rice-moss-bettis

http://findarticles.com/p/news-artic.../ai_n51295947/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1014799/2/index.htm

http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstoryn....3c93cb54.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3624319

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nfl&id=3153933


http://157.166.224.105/vault/article...35/3/index.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/01/sports/sp-49517


http://a.espncdn.com/page2/s/murphy/030520.html

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jan/07/sports/sp-61347


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=eQFZAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dhUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2919,4137382&dq=jerry+rice+complained&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TpczAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=2078,3183179&dq=jerry+rice+complained&hl=en

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=FB&p_theme=fb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EAE8B8812A9FCA2&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SB&p_theme=sb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB0462A6DE96EFB&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=DM&p_theme=dm&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0ED3D3CFE95EC65E&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
Whats a bunch of links that either don't work, are to a cowboys fan site, or are from the end of his career prove again? Sure Rice had some issues letting go when he wasn't the best in football, at nearly age 40, but it's far from proof that he was an ass hat like TO was his entire career.
How can you say Owens was an ass hat his entire career?

look Jerry and Joe are my favorite 9ers of all time, but Jerry had his moments.

he did something T.O. never did, and that was make a scene when we were winning a ball game...heck we were blowing the team out, yet he was pissed and Mooch and making a scene on the sideline.

I believe it was a Primetime game against the Redskins.
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
How can you say Owens was an ass hat his entire career?

look Jerry and Joe are my favorite 9ers of all time, but Jerry had his moments.

he did something T.O. never did, and that was make a scene when we were winning a ball game...heck we were blowing the team out, yet he was pissed and Mooch and making a scene on the sideline.

I believe it was a Primetime game against the Redskins.
I agree with afrikan(owens only became an ass after the catch two!). Anyway of course we love jerry but come one, he had his diva moments. I also think mooch did not have the balls to be tough and that is why people like owens and rice walked all over him. And then when he tried to do something like the suspension of owens after the star, he looked foolish and impotent.I do disagree very very much with jete/taber. rice did not have awfull awfull hands.he had bad hands for 6 games a rookie and then he had some problem child moments after that which is typical for diva wr's
Look im not saying Jerry Rice was a saint. Im not saying he was infallible. However he never pulled the crap that TO did to the level that TO did. There is a reason no teams want him when he has proven he is physically capable. Teams were giving Rice a shot till he was what, 42/43? In EVERY stop TO started out with a bang and then quickly wore out his welcome.

TO was the next great WR for SF. He put up well over 5k yds in his last 4 seasons. In each of those seasons he nearly doubled the next closest WR's production and in 01 nearly tripled the next closest WR on the team, yet the team made ZERO effort to resign TO in a season when TO put up nearly double the stats that Tai Streets did. Why do you think that is?

People point to him playing with screws in his foot during the SB. After such a heroic performance that same team can't wait to get him out the door? Why do you think that is?

The freaking Cowboys put up with Irvin and his BS for years and years and he would have been welcome to continue his career there had he not been injured. Cocaine arrests, prostitutes, you name it. TO comes in, performs very well and has NONE of those kinds of issues yet they also couldn't wait to get him out the door after year two. Why do you think that is?

In 2009 TO was with the Bills. He was their best WR, the next closest in receptions was their RB who had 9 less catches and less than 1/2 the yards as TO who averaged 15.1 per reception on his 55 catches for nearly 900 yards. He had a really nice year for them and we heard little to nothing publicly, yet the Bills declined to have him back after that 1 year. Why do you think that is?

TO despite being physically able, has now been booted off a team in the Indoor Football League when surely being one of if not the most talented WR in that entire league. Why do you think that is?

Nah TO isn't an ass hat, not at all, he's just not being treated fairly in SF, Philly, Dallas, Buffalo, Cinci, Allen Tx.

Teams regularly prefer to kick the most productive WR on their team to the curb rather than keep him and his production around.....errr wait, don't teams usually go out of their way to keep highly productive players around?

TO has never been franchise tagged. No team has ever tried to prevent him from departing. Most teams were perfectly happy with the idea of him leaving with no compensation.

Why do you think that is?
[ Edited by WINiner on Jun 10, 2012 at 8:57 AM ]
Originally posted by WINiner:
Look im not saying Jerry Rice was a saint. Im not saying he was infallible. However he never pulled the crap that TO did to the level that TO did. There is a reason no teams want him when he has proven he is physically capable. Teams were giving Rice a shot till he was what, 42/43? In EVERY stop TO started out with a bang and then quickly wore out his welcome.

TO was the next great WR for SF. He put up well over 5k yds in his last 4 seasons. In each of those seasons he nearly doubled the next closest WR's production and in 01 nearly tripled the next closest WR on the team, yet the team made ZERO effort to resign TO in a season when TO put up nearly double the stats that Tai Streets did. Why do you think that is?

People point to him playing with screws in his foot during the SB. After such a heroic performance that same team can't wait to get him out the door? Why do you think that is?

The freaking Cowboys put up with Irvin and his BS for years and years and he would have been welcome to continue his career there had he not been injured. Cocaine arrests, prostitutes, you name it. TO comes in, performs very well and has NONE of those kinds of issues yet they also couldn't wait to get him out the door after year two. Why do you think that is?

In 2009 TO was with the Bills. He was their best WR, the next closest in receptions was their RB who had 9 less catches and less than 1/2 the yards as TO who averaged 15.1 per reception on his 55 catches for nearly 900 yards. He had a really nice year for them and we heard little to nothing publicly, yet the Bills declined to have him back after that 1 year. Why do you think that is?

TO despite being physically able, has now been booted off a team in the Indoor Football League when surely being one of if not the most talented WR in that entire league. Why do you think that is?

Nah TO isn't an ass hat, not at all, he's just not being treated fairly in SF, Philly, Dallas, Buffalo, Cinci, Allen Tx.

Teams regularly prefer to kick the most productive WR on their team to the curb rather than keep him and his production around.....errr wait, don't teams usually go out of their way to keep highly productive players around?

TO has never been franchise tagged. No team has ever tried to prevent him from departing. Most teams were perfectly happy with the idea of him leaving with no compensation.

Why do you think that is?

Nailed it.

Can't believe some don't realize that Rice was no where near the "unliked" player TO was.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
How can you say Owens was an ass hat his entire career?

look Jerry and Joe are my favorite 9ers of all time, but Jerry had his moments.

he did something T.O. never did, and that was make a scene when we were winning a ball game...heck we were blowing the team out, yet he was pissed and Mooch and making a scene on the sideline.

I believe it was a Primetime game against the Redskins.

it was 17-3 in the second quarter. yeah two TD lead but way early into the game.


i agree a lot of what he does gets blown completely out of proportion. personally i had no problem with his celebrations, but there were times when he should have just not said anything.
T.O. chose to leave with the Bills. They were both there for each other at the time.... T.O. needed a team, and the Bills needed a big time reciever. Some felt he was over the hill when he joined that team...but he played great with what that offense had to work with. Had some big plays.

but after his contract was up...lets face it, the Bills had Trent Edwards and other dude stinking up the place, let alone one of the worse Olines in the league. They were in rebuild mode after that. T.O. was trying to get a ring.

The Bengals had was seemed like a great situation. And T.O. quickly came and became Carson's #1 target, even though Carson worked with OchoCinco for most of his career. Again T.O. put up great #s for the amount of games he played.

after the Dallas fiasco, T.O. had no problems with the Bills or the Bengals. Just because they "don't bring him" back doesn't mean its because of his attitude, or else they would've got rid of him when they had a chance.

I just think it is easier to say no to take the chance of bringing T.O. in to a current team, than to say yes. Because, by T.O's own doing....yes T.O. had a big part in that....but by his own doing...where ever he goes ESPN is going to be hounding for a story no matter what. It was pathetic what Ed Warner was doing down in Dallas with his "sources".

ESPN is always trying to make something out of nothing....it was pathetic this morning when I'm watching the Euro 2012 coverage and ESPN is right there trying to pressure former soccer players Ballak and Rossi, into bashing Mario Balitelli....they kept showing him on the sidelines slumping after being taken out of the game (mainly because he already had a yellow card).

but they were saying, "OMG Would you even want to play with a player like that???? omgz" but Ballak and Rossi were all class and didn't fall for the bait. Look I don't think too highly of Mario myself, and he also brings attention to himself, but I know when the journalist are reaching to instigate.

ESPN was actually bringing that BS type of journalism to Europe.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Jun 10, 2012 at 8:09 PM ]
Originally posted by WINiner:
Whats a bunch of links that either don't work, are to a cowboys fan site, or are from the end of his career prove again? Sure Rice had some issues letting go when he wasn't the best in football, at nearly age 40, but it's far from proof that he was an ass hat like TO was his entire career.

They should all work. I suppose a couple of them might be down, but regardless, here's the gist:


*Following Super Bowl XXIII MVP, complained about not getting enough attention from the media, citing racism.

*1991-1992: Complained about Steve Young. When asked about him, passive-aggressively referred to him as a "great running quarterback."

*Held out until late August of 1992.

*Publicly criticized "conservative offense" and complained about not getting enough opportunities before the road game vs. the Rams in 1991

*Pushed over concession stand, shouting, "I ain't no m-f'ing decoy!" after Tom Rathman scored a touchdown, as the 49ers took a 27-3 lead over the Falcons on Monday Night Football on the road in 1992.

*Complained about not getting enough balls to the media after the Cowboys game during the 1993 season.

*Stormed out of the locker room after a 10-9 victory over the Oilers (Jeff Brohm game, with Owens catching the game winning TD)

*Publicly complained about lack of involvement in the offense during crucial moments after 30-24 loss to Panthers on road in 1996.

*Shouted at Steve Mariucci on the sidelines during 45-10 victory over Redskins in 1998

*Threatened to retire, said, "this isn't 49ers football," after 49ers' 31-20 victory over the New Orleans Saints in 1998.

*Complained about being phased out of 49ers offense after 23-7 loss to Rams in 1999.

*Shouted at Steve Mariucci on the sidelines after 49ers took 10-3 lead against Cowboys in 2000, after he'd dropped his second pass of the game. Per Owens in his book, Rice was shouting, "TELL HIM (Garcia) TO THROW A F-ING SPIRAL! A F-ING SPIRAL!"

*Kicked over pylon and threw tantrum in 2004 13-10 victory with the Raiders after "consecutive games with at least one catch" streak came to an end.

*Forced trade to Seahawks during that 2004 season


I'm sure I missed a few.

What has Owens done, exactly? He celebrated some touchdowns in a manner deemed "not classy" by football purists. Big deal.

And do people honestly think Jerry Rice would have tolerated Jeff Garcia? He complained about STEVE FREAKING YOUNG. You think he's going to put up with Garcia, whom he was already furious with during the 2000 season? LOL!
[ Edited by DerekJeterForGG on Jun 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM ]
Originally posted by WINiner:
Look im not saying Jerry Rice was a saint. Im not saying he was infallible. However he never pulled the crap that TO did to the level that TO did. There is a reason no teams want him when he has proven he is physically capable. Teams were giving Rice a shot till he was what, 42/43? In EVERY stop TO started out with a bang and then quickly wore out his welcome.

Rice wore out his welcome in SF. You think he wound up with the Raiders by accident? Then with the Seahawks? And then trying to make the Broncos (and failing)?

The reason Rice lasted as long as he did?

1. He played in the pre-internet boom era, so the media that attacked him for his much worse behavior than Owens was confined to print. ESPN was a completely different organization during the 90's, centering around a national news/highlights/information (and anchor personalities, of course)-based model.

2. He was a better receiver than Owens.

Owens is not unanimously seen as a truly great receiver. There are numerous scouts and General Managers who never thought he was that great a player.

And since when is 8 years in SF "quickly wearing out his welcome?"




TO was the next great WR for SF. He put up well over 5k yds in his last 4 seasons. In each of those seasons he nearly doubled the next closest WR's production and in 01 nearly tripled the next closest WR on the team, yet the team made ZERO effort to resign TO in a season when TO put up nearly double the stats that Tai Streets did. Why do you think that is?

Who was the General Manager during those years, and where is he now?

You know who else was gone that same off-season? Jeff Garcia, Garrison Hearst, Derrick Deese, Ron Stone, Tai Streets, and Jed Weaver.



People point to him playing with screws in his foot during the SB. After such a heroic performance that same team can't wait to get him out the door? Why do you think that is?

They waited through the biggest media frenzy seen until the February/March Charlie Sheen days, only to finally give up when Owens refused to apologize to McNabb. Had he apologized to McNabb, they were going to let him back on the team. Doesn't sound like "couldn't wait to get rid of him" to me. Owens says Andy Reid called him after the suspension, and he believes Reid was leaning toward letting him back, but Banner/Lurie wouldn't go for it.



The freaking Cowboys put up with Irvin and his BS for years and years and he would have been welcome to continue his career there had he not been injured. Cocaine arrests, prostitutes, you name it. TO comes in, performs very well and has NONE of those kinds of issues yet they also couldn't wait to get him out the door after year two. Why do you think that is?

Why do you? What do you think he's doing? Irvin stabbed a teammate in the neck with a pair of scissors.

What could Owens have possibly been doing that was actually worse than that?

This argument works against you, not for you.



In 2009 TO was with the Bills. He was their best WR, the next closest in receptions was their RB who had 9 less catches and less than 1/2 the yards as TO who averaged 15.1 per reception on his 55 catches for nearly 900 yards. He had a really nice year for them and we heard little to nothing publicly, yet the Bills declined to have him back after that 1 year. Why do you think that is?

Chan Gailey publicly stated that when reviewing the film, he thought Owens "had hit a wall." The Bills were rebuilding, and a 36-year-old coming off 829 yards (that's not nearly 900) and 5 touchdowns didn't exactly fit into their plan.



TO despite being physically able, has now been booted off a team in the Indoor Football League when surely being one of if not the most talented WR in that entire league. Why do you think that is?

Uh, maybe because the owners wanted their shares of the ownership back? They'd milked all the cash out of him they could get, and when he declined to play in the final road games (which weren't in his contract), they had no use for him anymore.




Nah TO isn't an ass hat, not at all, he's just not being treated fairly in SF, Philly, Dallas, Buffalo, Cinci, Allen Tx.

1. No. No, he isn't.

2. Even if he were...you say this as if he would be the only ass hat in the NFL. What a coincidence that the "worst guy ever" also happens to be second all-time in receiving yards and touchdowns and one of the stars of the game. I mean, think of the thousands and thousands of players to come through the NFL the past 12 years. It just so happens to be this great one who is worse than anyone else, and not Johnny Solidstarter or Jim Roleplayer who is an insufferable, surly a*****e.

Media sensationalism creating the "drama?" Naaah, couldn't be.



Teams regularly prefer to kick the most productive WR on their team to the curb rather than keep him and his production around.....errr wait, don't teams usually go out of their way to keep highly productive players around?

Unsuccessful teams do things like this all the time.




TO has never been franchise tagged. No team has ever tried to prevent him from departing. Most teams were perfectly happy with the idea of him leaving with no compensation.

Why do you think that is?

1. Not true. The 49ers signed him to a 7-year contract following the 1998 season. Then the Cowboys signed him to an extension following the 2007 season.

2. The only times Owens has actually hit (and successfully filed for) free agency were when he was 36 and 37 years old, coming off losing seasons on teams heading into rebuilding mode. Rebuilding teams don't typically bring back old players they only signed to 1-year-deals the year before.
Originally posted by WINiner:
If you own all these videos Taber, then pullem out and lets see the proof.

Link some of these drop prone games for us all to see. Prove your statements.

Originally posted by DerekJeterForGG:
Originally posted by WINiner:
If you own all these videos Taber, then pullem out and lets see the proof.

Link some of these drop prone games for us all to see. Prove your statements.

Get them on the net Taber, LETS SEE THE PROOF, not a picture of you extensive porn collection.
The freaking Cowboys put up with Irvin and his BS for years and years and he would have been welcome to continue his career there had he not been injured. Cocaine arrests, prostitutes, you name it. TO comes in, performs very well and has NONE of those kinds of issues yet they also couldn't wait to get him out the door after year two. Why do you think that is? Why do you? What do you think he's doing?

Irvin stabbed a teammate in the neck with a pair of scissors. What could Owens have possibly been doing that was actually worse than that? This argument works against you, not for you.

Umm exactly. The Cowboys and Jerry Jones were willing to keep a guy who got arrested for cocaine and prostitutes, and according to you (I have never read or heard about this scissors story) also stabbed a teammate with scissors yet they wanted TO gone.

You lack understanding of my point. They were willing to put up with allllll that, yet would not put up with TO. In other words, since you seem to lack understanding, TO is a team CANCER. He rips teams apart. Irvin while a s**tty human being was STILL not the team cancer TO was.

And just cause some teams resigned him, including the team that drafted him and might I add they resigned him prior to him falling off the deep end, doesn't negate the fact that he's a CANCER. The Cowboys resigned him in an effort to placate him. Make him feel wanted to hopefully stop his antics.

NOBODY wants TO. There are SEVERAL WR starved teams end of last season and this offseason headed into the draft. Teams would rather try an untested rookie than TO.

There are teams to this day who could really use a decent WR, even only as a #2 WR yet TO is still unemployed.

This is the same sorry song and dance I used to hear from you at Ninerholics site Taber. According to you TO is god, faster than anyone (didn;t you splice a video of TO running the 40 against an Olympic gold medalist sprinter at one point to try to prove this? Absolutely hilarious). Unfairly hounded by the media.

I left that site for good 5 years ago and he has followed the exact same path I predicted then. TO could have been the best ever. Better than Rice, better than Moss who he is EXTREMELY envious/jealous of, better than anyone, but his mouth ruined it all and he will go down in NFL history more of a circus sideshow than one of the greatest WR's to ever have played.
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jordon also misrepresents the rice young thing. The only thing rice ever said badly about young is that it was very hard to adjust from a right hander to a left hander. as we know the learning curve was short and they made history together, rice was never a cancer. He never left a scorched earth where ever he went. The only reasons things worked out well in buffalo and the bengals was that they gave him a one year contract, History will show diva wide outs are good on a one year deal and after that, you do not want to temp fate. I am not calling out jordon but he does fudge the facts a bit about rice in order to pump up his boy