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Originally posted by Shorteous:


They are paid ample and given much more than the avg American in the process. let my heart bleed for them another day. As for the owners, they put their work in to get there, they put there risks in, or maybe they were given there wealth. Life isn't fair and it shouldn't because lets be honesty, lets look over to the co-workers we are talking about, most people don't put in a fair share of collective effort.

this is a little contradictory, no? I mean, players have worked to get where they are and put in risks, and, unlike some owners, they aren't given any of their "wealth" ("ability.")
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
I have a major issue with these statement. And I've called out posters on the Zone for the same thing.

We live in a world of sensation and hyperbole and have lost all perspective when it comes to real horrors that have happened in the world.

Any time something the least bit negative happens, we are so quick to throw out words like "slavery", "holocaust", "nazi", "genocide", "war", "dictator" and so forth.

To compare labor negotiations to slavery is asinine. The players have bosses. They may be unhappy with the current deal and they have the right to do what they are doing to fight for something better.

They also have the right to walk away and work for a different company. Whether that's playing football for a different league (like the CFL) or not playing football at all.

The worst scenario, even for someone who was a UDFA with only one year of playing time, is that they walk away having been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for one year of work. Something most people would consider a life changing opportunity.

Making the case for that to compare in any way to slavery and the atrocities which accompanied it, insults all those who experienced that reality and all the repercussions from that era.

And yet, we continue compare trivial issues to the most horrific tragedies in human existence .

Dumb arguments over spelling result in the phrase "grammar nazi".

Presidents we don't like are call "fascists", or "Hitler".

We constantly compare sports to "war" and call athletes "soldiers".

And the minute anyone with authority offends someone under them, we become "slaves".

At some point, we need to regain our perspective.

By comparing far more trivial things to ideas and events which have such true significance we severely minimize the impact and memory of the actual events.

I would love to see someone who thinks the NFL is slavery or someone who thinks correcting grammar makes someone a nazi, spend just one day being beaten, raped and/or castrated by a slave owner, or one night in a concentration camp and then see how they feel about the comparison.

come on Tex, you're just being a Word Nazi
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
I have a major issue with these statement. And I've called out posters on the Zone for the same thing.

We live in a world of sensation and hyperbole and have lost all perspective when it comes to real horrors that have happened in the world.

Any time something the least bit negative happens, we are so quick to throw out words like "slavery", "holocaust", "nazi", "genocide", "war", "dictator" and so forth.

To compare labor negotiations to slavery is asinine. The players have bosses. They may be unhappy with the current deal and they have the right to do what they are doing to fight for something better.

They also have the right to walk away and work for a different company. Whether that's playing football for a different league (like the CFL) or not playing football at all.

The worst scenario, even for someone who was a UDFA with only one year of playing time, is that they walk away having been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for one year of work. Something most people would consider a life changing opportunity.

Making the case for that to compare in any way to slavery and the atrocities which accompanied it, insults all those who experienced that reality and all the repercussions from that era.

And yet, we continue compare trivial issues to the most horrific tragedies in human existence .

Dumb arguments over spelling result in the phrase "grammar nazi".

Presidents we don't like are call "fascists", or "Hitler".

We constantly compare sports to "war" and call athletes "soldiers".

And the minute anyone with authority offends someone under them, we become "slaves".

At some point, we need to regain our perspective.

By comparing far more trivial things to ideas and events which have such true significance we severely minimize the impact and memory of the actual events.

I would love to see someone who thinks the NFL is slavery or someone who thinks correcting grammar makes someone a nazi, spend just one day being beaten, raped and/or castrated by a slave owner, or one night in a concentration camp and then see how they feel about the comparison.

come on Tex, you're just being a Word Nazi

Cute.

But what else should I expect? Don't make me get all George Washington on you.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by franklinfan:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by aclarke49:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Read this article - link posted on PFT - thought it was interesting.

To be an African American NFL player is to play in a league where 70% of the players are black and 100% of the owners are white. It’s a league where only 3 percent of head coaches were black until the famous (or infamous) lawyer Johnnie Cochran threatened a mass class-action lawsuit, saying he would “litigate if they do not integrate.” It’s a league where collegiate players hoping to be drafted show up to the NFL combine to be poked, prodded and have various body parts judged and measured. Teams basically do everything short of having someone run their finger along the players’ gums. If you are lucky enough to make the league, you will be blessed with a career that will, on average, last 3.4 years, and cursed with a life expectancy twenty-two years shorter than that of the typical American male. Your contract isn’t guaranteed, so if you do sustain some horrific injury, you are officially yesterday’s trash.

Link

“Learn to LISTEN before you pass judgment. Because speaking without knowledge of subject is truly ignorant,”
Rashard Mendenhall wrote.


The median salary in the NFL in 2009 was roughly $770,000. In 2008 it was about $720,000.

Signing bonuses vary from $100k to $20 million.

There are 1,696 total players in the NFL. According the US Census 1860 there were aprox. four million slaves. Who had no rights, no money, no fame, no security.

NFL players get paid this to play a game. Yes, it's dangerous but so are many other professions that receive far less compensation.

They, unlike slaves, have the choice to find another profession. They, unlike slaves can earn a small fortune. They, unlike slaves have rights that protect and help them. They, unlike slaves earn fame and notoriety in our society.

They, unlike slaves, have really very little value to the survival of our society. However, the argument can be made that our nation was built, at least in part, upon the labor or slaves.

They, unlike slaves, have the opportunity for a very bright future for them and their children. Slaves did not have the same opportunities.

To say that NFL players are like slaves, is like spitting in the face of all of those who did endure and still endure true slavery.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_salary_of_an_NFL_football_player#ixzz1GtNRmj8R

I don't agree with what AD said, just posted an article which defended him and I thought the article had an interested take on it. Of course, slavery is a huge exaggeration, but I get what AD is trying to say.

Also, AD used the word "modern day slavery" if I remember correctly. I don't think it's entirely fair to compare it to what slavery was in 1800. Still, it's a huge exaggeration, but that's a little unfair comparison.

Even guys who make minimum NFL salary still make 8 times the amount that an average American worker makes. 3 year career. That's a million bucks earned by the age of 25-26. That's a pretty good head start for the rest of their life.

Slavery - modern day slavery doesn't matter it's a retarded statement. The worse players in the NFL still should be living real well.

minimun wage=320k +120 =440k 50% goes to fed+calif taxes =220k..2500 a month housing,sharing W/another player=15k +10k union dues,down to 190k..plus expenses.. food,flts,transportation,ect.down to.. 175k a yr.. times 3yrs..does not make a million..oh and add agent fees 2-3% ..most walk away after 3 yrs with less than 250k if they are lucky..no,not slaves,but not rich either.

We all pay rent, food, and taxes. If I subtract all the costs out of the average american income it's not going to average at 40 grand either. Anyway you look at it the worse players in the NFL are still cashing it in over most of the population.

But these guys dedicate their whole life to play in the NFL and have very few options once their career is over. That amount of money is peanuts for a career you worked your whole life for

That really isn't the league's problem. Not everyone who makes a NFL roster is entitled to a lifetime's worth of money. Just like not every actor is going to make it in Hollywood and not every band signed to a record company is going to cash it in. These guys we're talking about aren't the guys making money for the league. I've never watched a game to see brilliant special teams action. Or to watch Jason Hill.

If they played their cards right they would have used that education pretty much all of them had the oppurtunity to get. Otherwise they're living life just like the average American without a career path.

No it's not their problem, but they deserve every penny they get and we can agree it isn't that much. And these players make up a big portion of the NFL.

No we don't agree on that. For 3 years work it's very good money. They make 8x the average worker and by no standards is it chump change. Even after expenses they're still years ahead of most people 1-3 years out of college. Cry me a river that they have hold a different job the rest of their life.

As of right now players receive 60% of all revenue minus the 1st of 9 billion. I don't blame the union for wanting to keep that number to as close as possible. But that's a more than fair number, and this modern day slavery sh*t is as dumb as it gets. NFL players are well compensated and well represented. They don't do anything that's not collectively bargained over. Other than having to work for a white guy I see no comparision.

What's the point? Stop comparing these guys to "average" people, and goofy post-college grads. The amount of revenue that they generate is so above "average" it's hard to find words. Please tell me, when was the last time half of America tuned in on Sunday to watch you do anything? When was the last time a major network was able to charge fortune 500 companies a million dollars a minute to run adds in between segments of watching you sit on your couch? I would guess never? However, the next time you and your buddies are able to sell out a stadium of 60 thousand plus, I would be curious to know what you charged?


LOL...


P.S. If you want a better index of "average" when gaging what these guys should make, look at the Sienfield cast, or maybe Friends. I wonder how many of those actors will end up dead or disabled by 60?

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Mar 18, 2011 at 14:24:28 ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".


I find no reason to disagree.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".

Or you could all just use a little perspective and figure it out.

4ML nailed it with "gotcha moments". People love to jump on people, especially if they already dislike them. (See: Obama and NCAA brackets).
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".

Or you could all just use a little perspective and figure it out.

4ML nailed it with "gotcha moments". People love to jump on people, especially if they already dislike them. (See: Obama and NCAA brackets).

I agree that isn't right, but there are also people who are extremely sensitive to some things and will shake their heads and think, "WTF did he just say?" This analogy is WAY off from their situation. People who say dumb things should be called out for it...




...unless you are Charles Barkley.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by franklinfan:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by aclarke49:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Read this article - link posted on PFT - thought it was interesting.

To be an African American NFL player is to play in a league where 70% of the players are black and 100% of the owners are white. It’s a league where only 3 percent of head coaches were black until the famous (or infamous) lawyer Johnnie Cochran threatened a mass class-action lawsuit, saying he would “litigate if they do not integrate.” It’s a league where collegiate players hoping to be drafted show up to the NFL combine to be poked, prodded and have various body parts judged and measured. Teams basically do everything short of having someone run their finger along the players’ gums. If you are lucky enough to make the league, you will be blessed with a career that will, on average, last 3.4 years, and cursed with a life expectancy twenty-two years shorter than that of the typical American male. Your contract isn’t guaranteed, so if you do sustain some horrific injury, you are officially yesterday’s trash.

Link

“Learn to LISTEN before you pass judgment. Because speaking without knowledge of subject is truly ignorant,”
Rashard Mendenhall wrote.


The median salary in the NFL in 2009 was roughly $770,000. In 2008 it was about $720,000.

Signing bonuses vary from $100k to $20 million.

There are 1,696 total players in the NFL. According the US Census 1860 there were aprox. four million slaves. Who had no rights, no money, no fame, no security.

NFL players get paid this to play a game. Yes, it's dangerous but so are many other professions that receive far less compensation.

They, unlike slaves, have the choice to find another profession. They, unlike slaves can earn a small fortune. They, unlike slaves have rights that protect and help them. They, unlike slaves earn fame and notoriety in our society.

They, unlike slaves, have really very little value to the survival of our society. However, the argument can be made that our nation was built, at least in part, upon the labor or slaves.

They, unlike slaves, have the opportunity for a very bright future for them and their children. Slaves did not have the same opportunities.

To say that NFL players are like slaves, is like spitting in the face of all of those who did endure and still endure true slavery.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_salary_of_an_NFL_football_player#ixzz1GtNRmj8R

I don't agree with what AD said, just posted an article which defended him and I thought the article had an interested take on it. Of course, slavery is a huge exaggeration, but I get what AD is trying to say.

Also, AD used the word "modern day slavery" if I remember correctly. I don't think it's entirely fair to compare it to what slavery was in 1800. Still, it's a huge exaggeration, but that's a little unfair comparison.

Even guys who make minimum NFL salary still make 8 times the amount that an average American worker makes. 3 year career. That's a million bucks earned by the age of 25-26. That's a pretty good head start for the rest of their life.

Slavery - modern day slavery doesn't matter it's a retarded statement. The worse players in the NFL still should be living real well.

minimun wage=320k +120 =440k 50% goes to fed+calif taxes =220k..2500 a month housing,sharing W/another player=15k +10k union dues,down to 190k..plus expenses.. food,flts,transportation,ect.down to.. 175k a yr.. times 3yrs..does not make a million..oh and add agent fees 2-3% ..most walk away after 3 yrs with less than 250k if they are lucky..no,not slaves,but not rich either.

We all pay rent, food, and taxes. If I subtract all the costs out of the average american income it's not going to average at 40 grand either. Anyway you look at it the worse players in the NFL are still cashing it in over most of the population.

But these guys dedicate their whole life to play in the NFL and have very few options once their career is over. That amount of money is peanuts for a career you worked your whole life for

That really isn't the league's problem. Not everyone who makes a NFL roster is entitled to a lifetime's worth of money. Just like not every actor is going to make it in Hollywood and not every band signed to a record company is going to cash it in. These guys we're talking about aren't the guys making money for the league. I've never watched a game to see brilliant special teams action. Or to watch Jason Hill.

If they played their cards right they would have used that education pretty much all of them had the oppurtunity to get. Otherwise they're living life just like the average American without a career path.

No it's not their problem, but they deserve every penny they get and we can agree it isn't that much. And these players make up a big portion of the NFL.

No we don't agree on that. For 3 years work it's very good money. They make 8x the average worker and by no standards is it chump change. Even after expenses they're still years ahead of most people 1-3 years out of college. Cry me a river that they have hold a different job the rest of their life.

As of right now players receive 60% of all revenue minus the 1st of 9 billion. I don't blame the union for wanting to keep that number to as close as possible. But that's a more than fair number, and this modern day slavery sh*t is as dumb as it gets. NFL players are well compensated and well represented. They don't do anything that's not collectively bargained over. Other than having to work for a white guy I see no comparision.

What's the point? Stop comparing these guys to "average" people, and goofy post-college grads. The amount of revenue that they generate is so above "average" it's hard to find words. Please tell me, when was the last time half of America tuned in on Sunday to watch you do anything? When was the last time a major network was able to charge fortune 500 companies a million dollars a minute to run adds in between segments of watching you sit on your coach? I would guess never? However, the next time you and your buddies are able to sell out a stadium of 60 thousand plus, I would be curious to know what you charged?


LOL...


P.S. If you want a better index of "average" when gaging what these guys should make, look at the Sienfield cast, or maybe Friends. I wonder how many of those actors will end up dead or disabled by 60?


[ Edited by aclarke49 on Mar 18, 2011 at 13:35:09 ]
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
I have a major issue with these statement. And I've called out posters on the Zone for the same thing.

We live in a world of sensation and hyperbole and have lost all perspective when it comes to real horrors that have happened in the world.

Any time something the least bit negative happens, we are so quick to throw out words like "slavery", "holocaust", "nazi", "genocide", "war", "dictator" and so forth.

To compare labor negotiations to slavery is asinine. The players have bosses. They may be unhappy with the current deal and they have the right to do what they are doing to fight for something better.

They also have the right to walk away and work for a different company. Whether that's playing football for a different league (like the CFL) or not playing football at all.

The worst scenario, even for someone who was a UDFA with only one year of playing time, is that they walk away having been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for one year of work. Something most people would consider a life changing opportunity.

Making the case for that to compare in any way to slavery and the atrocities which accompanied it, insults all those who experienced that reality and all the repercussions from that era.

And yet, we continue compare trivial issues to the most horrific tragedies in human existence .

Dumb arguments over spelling result in the phrase "grammar nazi".

Presidents we don't like are call "fascists", or "Hitler".

We constantly compare sports to "war" and call athletes "soldiers".

And the minute anyone with authority offends someone under them, we become "slaves".

At some point, we need to regain our perspective.

By comparing far more trivial things to ideas and events which have such true significance we severely minimize the impact and memory of the actual events.

I would love to see someone who thinks the NFL is slavery or someone who thinks correcting grammar makes someone a nazi, spend just one day being beaten, raped and/or castrated by a slave owner, or one night in a concentration camp and then see how they feel about the comparison.

come on Tex, you're just being a Word Nazi

Cute.

But what else should I expect? Don't make me get all George Washington on you.

i'm more worried that you'll get all George Washington Carver on me
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".

Or you could all just use a little perspective and figure it out.

4ML nailed it with "gotcha moments". People love to jump on people, especially if they already dislike them. (See: Obama and NCAA brackets).

I agree that isn't right, but there are also people who are extremely sensitive to some things and will shake their heads and think, "WTF did he just say?" This analogy is WAY off from their situation. People who say dumb things should be called out for it...




...unless you are Charles Barkley.

i just think its funny that, i this particular situation, the people who are most sensitive to it are by-and-large middle class white guys who have the luxury of being on the internet all day to argue about it.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".

Or you could all just use a little perspective and figure it out.

4ML nailed it with "gotcha moments". People love to jump on people, especially if they already dislike them. (See: Obama and NCAA brackets).

I agree that isn't right, but there are also people who are extremely sensitive to some things and will shake their heads and think, "WTF did he just say?" This analogy is WAY off from their situation. People who say dumb things should be called out for it...




...unless you are Charles Barkley.

i just think its funny that, i this particular situation, the people who are most sensitive to it are by-and-large middle class white guys who have the luxury of being on the internet all day to argue about it.

stereotype much? Sorry to get political but I didn't hear many people come to the rescue and say and defend the insane notions that arose when a certain female got blamed for days for the Arizona shooting? But now since we are talking about union members we should assume the best from what people say, I'm supposed to infer something good when somebody who makes 4mil? hyperbole themselves with slavery and the evil white man? or am I supposed to just feel sorry for his plight and yell, workers of the world unite.

Speaking of which, why does it have the be the evil white man, I come to learn that men of all races are equally evil. Just look around the world! *except for the buddist and any other small society I'm not aware of.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".

Or you could all just use a little perspective and figure it out.

4ML nailed it with "gotcha moments". People love to jump on people, especially if they already dislike them. (See: Obama and NCAA brackets).

I agree that isn't right, but there are also people who are extremely sensitive to some things and will shake their heads and think, "WTF did he just say?" This analogy is WAY off from their situation. People who say dumb things should be called out for it...




...unless you are Charles Barkley.

i just think its funny that, i this particular situation, the people who are most sensitive to it are by-and-large middle class white guys who have the luxury of being on the internet all day to argue about it.

Who's white? You're white?

Now imagine if Carson Palmer makes that same comment. I think people are just tired of the same analogy taken lightly in one sense but can be taken as racist in another sense. It's inconsistent and analogies that represent people actually dying, being killed, genocide, ...you name it, should not be used to complain about money by NFL players who make millions.

It just shows how ignorant or whatever the better word the person saying that is. My company didn't give me a raise last year...man, their treating me and my colleagues like slaves. I don't know if he meant "slave-driver" or something but saying something dumb shouldn't get a pass either.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
its a dumb thing to say, but i think its pretty obvious that he means "slavery" in that the players do "all" the work and have no control over the business (and are "owned" by a group of people who make all the decisions). He's not talking about working for nothing and being whipped and raped and forced to breed. Again, dumb thing to say, and not really the kind of thing that the players need at the moment, but I don't think there's any need to react emotionally to it.

Haha yeah. But, Americans love gotcha moments. I think it's also the fact that owners want players to play 18 games and it's obvious that will shortens careers (especially at RB) and he is tryin' to say that the owners don't care for the players health and only concerned with profits.

Of course, relating it to slavery is stupid, but I get what he is trying to say.

Thanks fellas! You saved me from having to write my postion.

This is one of the reasons we have so much political division in this country. Most people dont want to take the time ( or purposely misinterpet) to understand the point someone is trying to get across, even if it is a poor analogy. This happens on both sides. I'm so tired of meat heads....

I think it is on the person talking and that person needs to realize what he's saying. And he should also be responsible for clearing up anything that gets taken "the wrong way".

Or you could all just use a little perspective and figure it out.

4ML nailed it with "gotcha moments". People love to jump on people, especially if they already dislike them. (See: Obama and NCAA brackets).

I agree that isn't right, but there are also people who are extremely sensitive to some things and will shake their heads and think, "WTF did he just say?" This analogy is WAY off from their situation. People who say dumb things should be called out for it...




...unless you are Charles Barkley.

i just think its funny that, i this particular situation, the people who are most sensitive to it are by-and-large middle class white guys who have the luxury of being on the internet all day to argue about it.

Who's white? You're white?

Now imagine if Carson Palmer makes that same comment. I think people are just tired of the same analogy taken lightly in one sense but can be taken as racist in another sense. It's inconsistent and analogies that represent people actually dying, being killed, genocide, ...you name it, should not be used to complain about money by NFL players who make millions.

It just shows how ignorant or whatever the better word the person saying that is. My company didn't give me a raise last year...man, their treating me and my colleagues like slaves. I don't know if he meant "slave-driver" or something but saying something dumb shouldn't get a pass either.

utter disrespect for the past angers people of all races.

Its like if someone complained that Obama or W was like a modern day Caligula.

yeah, just like Caligula......minus the political enemies crucifed in public, raging orgies taking place in the white house instead of national business, the complete theft of the national treasury......yeah except for all those things this is just like the darkest days of Rome

[ Edited by danimal on Mar 18, 2011 at 15:38:20 ]